If true, then

Well, "BB" aired already on the East Coast and all the tweeted stuff mentioned by audience members happened except for the goodbye messages in which Rachel supposedly called Kalia a "cow." Either the "BB" audience member that tweeted the "cow" stuff lied or "BB" edited out the Kalia segment because (a) the show was running late or (b) the producers don't want to telegraph that Rachel (if she makes to F2) has already lost Kalia's vote in Jury to add drama to the finale. Mphhh...

Julie just did a short interview with Kalia on the CBS show. They are going to post her extended interview on CBS.com. So it's still possible that they showed Rachel's goodbye during that interview.

So, it looks like we aren't getting the "houseguests look back" episode this year. CBS is showing a 2 hour 9/11 show after 60 Minutes. But then they are showing a Good Wife repeat after that? C'mon CBS, you could have delayed BB to after the 9/11 show. Maybe they don't want to offend anyone watching a 9/11 tribute with the chance of seeing BB on the same night.

"After Dark" is back... OMG, look at dat ass on Porsche laying in bed playing cards with Rachel and Adam!

No idea who Adam nominated for eviction yet (not that it matters this week).

No one is nominated yet, but Jordan is packing her bags, and Jeff has said "If Jordan leaves tomorrow...". The person who wins POV decides who leaves, though...

Could the nominations and POV comp have already taken place between yesterday and tonight? Those things take time to set-up and shoot, so that's probably what they spent all day Wednesday doing. Maybe someone has already won POV which is why Adam keeps saying "if Jordan leaves tomorrow..."

EDIT: from the way they're talking sounds like (a) Rachel and Jordan are on the block and (b) Adam and Porsche just high-fived that they're safe all summer. Sounds to me like Porsche won veto.

On Joker's, it looks like they're saying won POV. Worst possible scenario.

Actually Porsche winning POV adds a bit of drama to Thursday's live eviction show. There are strong pro/against arguments for Porsch to take/evict either Rachel or Jordo. Right now, based on the chummy HOH trio playing cards, looks like Jordan is the odd one out. But Porsch might feel she has a better shot at the $500k against Jordan by evicting a strong competitor (Natalie and Kevin were counting on that against Jordan though, and it bit Nat in the ass when Jury votes she thought were locks never materialized).

Good time tomorrow seeing either Rach or Jordo going to Jury to spend time with her man, leaving the F3 with two noobs and a veteran. I didn't expect that at all as the F3 when the Veterans held the upper hand most weeks.

Well, Adam/Porsche is wrong in thinking what he's thinking and the person packing who is going home should stay. At least I can cancel Showtime tomorrow.

^^^"Dexter" starts in less than a month... not an option!

I did not know anyone got Showtime for BB After Dark when you can watch it free on the interweb. What is there even to watch any season on the live feeds more then when they go back on after comps when it gets down to the last couple of people.


Not sure if anyone has played a game worthy of the win in this cast but I think Porsche has played the best game of the noobs strategically. Socially though I don't think she did nearly enough so I have a hunch she is gonna finish 2nd.

CONFIRMED:Porsche and Jordan on the block, Porsche won Veto, LIVE POV/eviction ceremony Thursday night.

For the most part, the final 3 is already decided before the ceremony. I think everyone has it wrong, but I can't say I don't see their point of view.

I also think the idea that Rachel is anywhere near a decent person was just something that came about because she was around Jordan so much and didn't get the opportunity to be herself. She's a nasty, petty, incredibly insecure, childish and hateful person.

She was very good in comps, but Dani was better and Porsche was pretty close, so that's not all that impressive either.

So that means Adam just won 50K.

Winner of Part 1 of HOH (endurance): And Julie Chen said on the live "BB" show that this Endurance comp. might go all night.

Sadly, the winner of part 1 really gets hosed by not really having any real advantage for winning the most important challenge of the season (or it should be).

You win and then you might as well be drawing cards in round 3.

Winning part 1 means you have almost a week to cut deals with the other 2 people guranteeing your spot in the f2.

I bet if you went to when they started this format the winner of part 1 just about always makes the finals even though statistically if they were "hosed" 1 of 3 seasons they would finish 3rd.

BTW, when "After Dark" starts at 1AM we can drop the spoilers and freely talk about kicking behinds with all kinds of awesome.

I'm surprised that

Wow

Adam is the biggest moron in the world.
Not only did he tell Porsche he is taking Rachel to the f2 if he wins the final hoh he tells her he knows he will have a harder time beating her in the end.And then he tells her if he is evicted at f3 he will vote for the person who evicts him.

If I didn't see him act like a tool who believes the moronic stuff he says on Thursdays episode I would swear this is all some insanely genius masterfloater plan to try and gurantee both Porsche and Rachel take him to the f2.

Adam is like Rachel-with-Brendon minus the tears/bravado/bitchy attitude: all emotion, no thought. Who knows, by next Wednesday he probably will have forgotten what he told Porsche and do the opposite. The only way Adam's words/behavior make sense is that he thinks by being the least-threatening and most-harmless of the three remaining HG's ensures that, if he makes it to F2, whoever he is up against will have made more enemies in Jury than he has and won't get enough 'pity' votes to get the $500k. Risky, but at the very least he'd make $50k for his troubles, which is a lot more than what 90% of the people that played this game will get for their troubles.

And compared with the Final 3 from the past couple of seasons (Kevin-Natalie-Jordan from "BB 11" and the Brigade bros from "BB 12") I won't mind hanging around Rachel-Porsche-Adam for the next five days on "After Dark" and on feed recaps. None of these guys strikes me as an abhorrent and horrible person, and each of them could use half-a-million bucks in their lives (even a Porsche needs some tune-up freebies! ). Ironically each of the three factions in the house got a representative going into F3: newbies-Dani alliance (Porsh), veterans (Rachel) and floater (Adam). May the least-annoying and most-deserving of these, i.e. Rachel, win all the moola!

Terrific exit interview with Jordan. Although, I have no idea why the myth that Jeff had something to do with her winning her only HOH is still going. First of all, he did that the last time. THIS season he and Brendan basically didn't try, but she got a 3. That was going to be very difficult to beat without putting the ball in the water and so many people throw comps for a variety of reasons, so does that mean we take away their HOH or POV because "stronger" people didn't want to win that challenge but COULD HAVE? She was horrible in the comps, but she won the golf one fair and square.

http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/09/09/bi...serves-to-win/

'Big Brother': Jordan says 'Rachel deserves to win'

I never got holding someone being awful at challenges against them and I agree that her winning that HOH was fair and square even though Rachel assigning the order which people participated in was a giant advantage for the vets kind of like RW RR Challenges where they make a big deal about the order cause for a challenge like that being able to see how people approach the thing beforehand helps.

It would have been a tragedy if she won though(which she would have if anyone but Porsche won the f4 veto). Despite her saintly edit she was miserable all summer and seemed like she hated being there combined with a huge sense of entitlement while riding on the coatails of beneficial twists and the hard work of Rachel,Jeff and Shelley.

But that's why I like her so much. She owns things far more than anyone else in the house. She comes out and admits she was miserable, says she'd rather be home but hoped she could help Jeff win, and states a lot of reasons why she thinks Rachel should win. And she even defends her against the exact things that make her "hated" by some of the jury in a pretty compelling way. I don't think Rachel would have said those kinds of things about Jordan right after leaving.

I would have been happy to see Jordan win because I like the person she is very much. NOT because I want to defend her game play. But those twists benefited Rachel too and Rachel has a weak social game, there's just no one really left with her to clash with, and she was only good in challenges.

You stated that you wouldn't hold being bad at challenges against someone, but you don't want Jordan to win. Porsche didn't even participate in the game until very late. She was not a good social player, she simply was the last newbie standing (Adam flipped so many times he's not really one or the other).

What bothers me isn't that J didn't win, although I did want her to finish 2nd to Rachel, it's the double standard. Rachel was a different person in the house when she was with Jordan. If Rachel doesn't change like that, she wouldn't be in the house now. Everyone says Jordan is unbeatable with the jury and Porsche voted her out fearing she'd get the votes no matter who she faced. So it's ok to not be good at the challenges while playing a social game that, almost alone, gets you to the F4 and, in the mind of most people makes you unbeatable in the F2.

If the jury was going to give her the big money (I'm still not convinced she'd have gotten the win), then she was the BEST player left in the F4, not defined by what I like in a player or what you think or what most people think, but by that the jury would think. So if she sucks so bad, why would she be crowned champion and why does it make you feel better that the jury will still, almost certainly, vote for who they like the most over who played the best game (which in my opinion would be a combination of social play and challenge play)?

Winner by jury doesn't render a "fair" decision quite often. People vote personally a lot. So is there really a great player (other than someone like Dr. Will his first time around) or just whomever gets to the end that has more friends in the jury house? I guess that's why I thought so strongly Jordan wouldn't win (now I'm not sure), because I really believed her game was just so bad this summer that only Jeff and maybe Shelley would have voted for her. But if I'm wrong, then "best" player in the F4 was evicted by Porsche.

edit to add: I still don't know feel strongly about Rachel getting the 4th vote, but for all the cracks Jordan gets about being dumb (and she's certainly not terribly smart), I think she's going to "play the game" in the jury house more than she ever did in the BB house. First, she's going to make sure Jeff votes for Rachel no matter what if she makes the F2 and to lobby others for Rachel. But then she's going to lean on both Shelley and Kalia. And the kindness that is who Jordan is as a person will be VERY persuasive. I think with Jeff and Jordan leaning on her, Shelley could be that 4th vote and maybe Kalia a 5th vote if it's Adam against Rachel, although that appears to be the least likely F2 pairing.

Interview with Jordan