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Game of Thrones -- Series Premiere -- "Winter is Coming" -- 4/17/11

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Re: Game of Thrones -- Series Premiere -- "Winter is Coming" -- 4/17/11

For those that have read all the books, a bit of speculation..

Obviouslly spoiler

Spoiler:
If the 'fan response' thought that Jon Snow is actually a Targareyn, are they setting it up for him and Dany to hook up in the future? Someone suggested that jon is the 'ice' and dany is the 'fire' of the books title? Just saw someone suggested that
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Originally Posted by superdeluxe View Post
For those that have read all the books, a bit of speculation..

Obviouslly spoiler

Spoiler:
If the 'fan response' thought that Jon Snow is actually a Targareyn, are they setting it up for him and Dany to hook up in the future? Someone suggested that jon is the 'ice' and dany is the 'fire' of the books title? Just saw someone suggested that
The standard fan theory is:
Spoiler:
Jon is the son of Rhaegar Targaryn and Lyanna Stark, produced through a consensual relationship between the two of them. Presumably, he'll wind up on the Iron throne when all is said and done, quite possibly with Daenerys as his queen
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Originally Posted by JasonF View Post
The standard fan theory is:
Spoiler:
Jon is the son of Rhaegar Targaryn and Lyanna Stark, produced through a consensual relationship between the two of them. Presumably, he'll wind up on the Iron throne when all is said and done, quite possibly with Daenerys as his queen


Interesting..too that I have also read..

Spoiler:
That Jon is actually both ice and fire..Ice being Lyanna Stark and Fire being Rhaegar Targaryn. Although it would be interesting to wrap this all up with two of the more misunderstood/lost/abused characters ending up on top at the end.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- Series Premiere -- "Winter is Coming" -- 4/17/11

And now, as a PSA, here are the major players and their houses (families) that we've seen in the show thus far:

House Targaryen: They rules the Seven Kingdoms (aka Westeros) for 300 years before being deposed. The only two survivors of the house are Viserys (the white haired dude) and his sister Daenerys. Viserys married his sister off to Kahl Drogo (think "Genghis Khan") so that Drogo would use his army to reconquer Westeros and Viserys could be king again. The symbol of house Targaryen is a dragon.

House Baratheon: Robert Baratheon is the current king of Westeros -- he became king roughly 18 years ago when the Targaryens were overthrown. Robert was in love with Ned's sister Lyanna, but she died and he married Cersei Lannister instead. They have three children: Joffrey, Myrcella, and Tommen. Robert and Eddard were best buds growing up -- they were both wards of Jon Arryn. Robert has proposed that Joffrey marry Sansa Stark. The symbol of house Baratheon is a stag.

House Stark: Eddard Stark, aka Ned Stark. He has five children with his wife, Catelyn, aka Cat. They are (from oldest to youngest) Robb, Sansa, Arya, Bran, and Rickon. Ned also has a bastard son, Jon Snow. Also seen in House Stark is Theon Greyjoy. He is close to Robb and Jon in age, and is staying with the Starks basically as insurance -- his father rbeelled against King Robert, so Theon lives with the Starks to ensure that the Greyjoys don't try any funny business. Theon was the dude with the knife who was all set to kill the dire wolf pups. Ned also has a brother, Benjen Stark, who serves on the Nightwatch. The symbol of House Stark is a direwolf.

House Lannister: We've seen three Lannisters: Twins Jaime and Cersei and their brother Tyrion. Cersei is married to King Robert; Tyrion is the Imp. The symbol of House Lannister is a lion.

House Arryn: We haven't seen much of them. Robert Baratheon and Ned Stark were wards of Jon Arryn, and when Robert became king, he made Jon Arryn his Hand (basically, the guy who actually runs the kingdom while the king hunts whores and fucks boars, or maybe it's the other way around). Jon just died -- he was the guy lying in state during Ep. 1 as Jamie and Cersei debated whether he had told anybody the secret that he had figured out. Jon was married to Lyssa Tully, who is the sister of Cat Stark. Their symbol is a falcon.

The Nightwatch: Not a House, per se. When you join the Nightwatch, you forsake all familial ties (though Benjen obviously still has affection for his brother Ned). They sit in the North, guarding the kingdom of Westeros from whatever lies on the far side. When the books start, White Walkers have not been seen in centuries and are considered a myth. North of the wall, there are Wildlings (savages), and that's generally what people think the Nightwatch is keeping them safe from.

I think that's everyone we've been introduced to without spoilers on where the stories are going and without spoilers on backstory that gets dramatically revealed down the line.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- Series Premiere -- "Winter is Coming" -- 4/17/11

Clearly this is a show I need to watch instantly if I have any hopes of keeping up.
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Clearly this is a show I need to watch instantly if I have any hopes of keeping up.
Or catch the recaps, but yes..this is not a procedural show where it all wraps up in a episode.
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Clearly this is a show I need to watch instantly if I have any hopes of keeping up.
Imagine how it is for us who have been waiting for the next book since 2005.
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Imagine how it is for us who have been waiting for the next book since 2005.
The good thing is that my son will be reading these books when book 6 comes out.
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Or catch the recaps, but yes..this is not a procedural show where it all wraps up in a episode.
I meant with the discussion threads.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- Series Premiere -- "Winter is Coming" -- 4/17/11

Ratings out:

So HBO won't release official ratings for last night's brilliantly hyped premiere of Game of Thrones until tomorrow. But one early indicator suggests that the numbers probably won't break any records. Don't panic, GoT groupies: The good news is, HBO doesn't live or die by Nielsen's verdict, and we're about 98.5 percent certain that the network will green-light a second season of the epic fantasy. That said, let's look at what the first returns from Nielsen show.

According to data obtained by Vulture, GoT earned a 1.6 rating in Nielsen's overnight household sample. By way of comparison, last September's debut of Boardwalk Empire on HBO averaged a 2.8 rating in the overnights. Household ratings aren't used much anymore, with most networks tending to look at overall viewership or demographic averages to gauge a program's success. What's more, because of HBO's smaller distribution it's in about 28 million homes household overnight ratings can vary substantially from the national total viewer figure. All of these caveats aside, down is down: Based on this snapshot of its performance, it's clear GoT won't come close to matching the nearly 5 million viewers who watched the Boardwalk Empire premiere in September.

In fairness, despite the massive marketing, GoT had a big disadvantage versus Boardwalk: The latter series was heavily promoted during HBO's airings of massive hit True Blood. By contrast, HBO's on-air promos for GoT aired during Mildred Pierce, which failed to crack a million viewers last week. It's also worth noting that True Blood began small attracting fewer than 2 million viewers when it debuted. It's now HBO's biggest hit, with an audience three times as big as it started with.
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The good thing is that my son will be reading these books when book 6 comes out.
Out of curiosity, how old is your son?
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Out of curiosity, how old is your son?
9 months lol.
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That sounds about right.
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I was thinking after watching that this is a story that might work better for non-readers on DVD/BD, where they can watch several episodes at a time. I can imagine people forgetting what's what and who's who from week to week, but maybe I don't give general audiences enough credit.
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Hmm, still, less than they hoped I'm sure.
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Originally Posted by JasonF View Post
And now, as a PSA, here are the major players and their houses (families) that we've seen in the show thus far:

House Targaryen: They rules the Seven Kingdoms (aka Westeros) for 300 years before being deposed. The only two survivors of the house are Viserys (the white haired dude) and his sister Daenerys. Viserys married his sister off to Kahl Drogo (think "Genghis Khan") so that Drogo would use his army to reconquer Westeros and Viserys could be king again. The symbol of house Targaryen is a dragon.

House Baratheon: Robert Baratheon is the current king of Westeros -- he became king roughly 18 years ago when the Targaryens were overthrown. Robert was in love with Ned's sister Lyanna, but she died and he married Cersei Lannister instead. They have three children: Joffrey, Myrcella, and Tommen. Robert and Eddard were best buds growing up -- they were both wards of Jon Arryn. Robert has proposed that Joffrey marry Sansa Stark. The symbol of house Baratheon is a stag.

House Stark: Eddard Stark, aka Ned Stark. He has five children with his wife, Catelyn, aka Cat. They are (from oldest to youngest) Robb, Sansa, Arya, Bran, and Rickon. Ned also has a bastard son, Jon Snow. Also seen in House Stark is Theon Greyjoy. He is close to Robb and Jon in age, and is staying with the Starks basically as insurance -- his father rbeelled against King Robert, so Theon lives with the Starks to ensure that the Greyjoys don't try any funny business. Theon was the dude with the knife who was all set to kill the dire wolf pups. Ned also has a brother, Benjen Stark, who serves on the Nightwatch. The symbol of House Stark is a direwolf.

House Lannister: We've seen three Lannisters: Twins Jaime and Cersei and their brother Tyrion. Cersei is married to King Robert; Tyrion is the Imp. The symbol of House Lannister is a lion.

House Arryn: We haven't seen much of them. Robert Baratheon and Ned Stark were wards of Jon Arryn, and when Robert became king, he made Jon Arryn his Hand (basically, the guy who actually runs the kingdom while the king hunts whores and fucks boars, or maybe it's the other way around). Jon just died -- he was the guy lying in state during Ep. 1 as Jamie and Cersei debated whether he had told anybody the secret that he had figured out. Jon was married to Lyssa Tully, who is the sister of Cat Stark. Their symbol is a falcon.

The Nightwatch: Not a House, per se. When you join the Nightwatch, you forsake all familial ties (though Benjen obviously still has affection for his brother Ned). They sit in the North, guarding the kingdom of Westeros from whatever lies on the far side. When the books start, White Walkers have not been seen in centuries and are considered a myth. North of the wall, there are Wildlings (savages), and that's generally what people think the Nightwatch is keeping them safe from.

I think that's everyone we've been introduced to without spoilers on where the stories are going and without spoilers on backstory that gets dramatically revealed down the line.

It is a good thing that they don't intend to go over any of this in future episodes.




And two questions:

Spoiler:
In the previews they show Stark walking in on Jaime sitting on the Iron Throne. Does anybody know if they are going to be using flashbacks, or will they use present time to illustrate the books' past?


And was the bald old guy with the tied off beard during the beheading supposed to be Cassell? I assumed so, but couldn't hear.
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Originally Posted by JasonF View Post
And now, as a PSA, here are the major players and their houses (families) that we've seen in the show thus far:

House Targaryen: They rules the Seven Kingdoms (aka Westeros) for 300 years before being deposed. The only two survivors of the house are Viserys (the white haired dude) and his sister Daenerys. Viserys married his sister off to Kahl Drogo (think "Genghis Khan") so that Drogo would use his army to reconquer Westeros and Viserys could be king again. The symbol of house Targaryen is a dragon.

House Baratheon: Robert Baratheon is the current king of Westeros -- he became king roughly 18 years ago when the Targaryens were overthrown. Robert was in love with Ned's sister Lyanna, but she died and he married Cersei Lannister instead. They have three children: Joffrey, Myrcella, and Tommen. Robert and Eddard were best buds growing up -- they were both wards of Jon Arryn. Robert has proposed that Joffrey marry Sansa Stark. The symbol of house Baratheon is a stag.

House Stark: Eddard Stark, aka Ned Stark. He has five children with his wife, Catelyn, aka Cat. They are (from oldest to youngest) Robb, Sansa, Arya, Bran, and Rickon. Ned also has a bastard son, Jon Snow. Also seen in House Stark is Theon Greyjoy. He is close to Robb and Jon in age, and is staying with the Starks basically as insurance -- his father rbeelled against King Robert, so Theon lives with the Starks to ensure that the Greyjoys don't try any funny business. Theon was the dude with the knife who was all set to kill the dire wolf pups. Ned also has a brother, Benjen Stark, who serves on the Nightwatch. The symbol of House Stark is a direwolf.

House Lannister: We've seen three Lannisters: Twins Jaime and Cersei and their brother Tyrion. Cersei is married to King Robert; Tyrion is the Imp. The symbol of House Lannister is a lion.

House Arryn: We haven't seen much of them. Robert Baratheon and Ned Stark were wards of Jon Arryn, and when Robert became king, he made Jon Arryn his Hand (basically, the guy who actually runs the kingdom while the king hunts whores and fucks boars, or maybe it's the other way around). Jon just died -- he was the guy lying in state during Ep. 1 as Jamie and Cersei debated whether he had told anybody the secret that he had figured out. Jon was married to Lyssa Tully, who is the sister of Cat Stark. Their symbol is a falcon.

The Nightwatch: Not a House, per se. When you join the Nightwatch, you forsake all familial ties (though Benjen obviously still has affection for his brother Ned). They sit in the North, guarding the kingdom of Westeros from whatever lies on the far side. When the books start, White Walkers have not been seen in centuries and are considered a myth. North of the wall, there are Wildlings (savages), and that's generally what people think the Nightwatch is keeping them safe from.

I think that's everyone we've been introduced to without spoilers on where the stories are going and without spoilers on backstory that gets dramatically revealed down the line.
Nice!

Also here is the link to the HBO viewers guide for the houses which has pics, profiles, and family trees. There is also a map with all the major points of interest that you can click on for more info.

http://viewers-guide.hbo.com/game-of.../guide/houses/
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And was the bald old guy with the tied off beard during the beheading supposed to be Cassell? I assumed so, but couldn't hear.

Yup that was Ser Rodrik Cassel
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@lizbelsky: So is Game of Thrones the new Hunger Games? Should I start pretending to have read it?
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I was referring to the long haired blonde guy and his white haired sister. But it seems they are the just the rival family that is going to try and knock off the current king. Predictable.
They're not just "the rival family." They're one part among MANY. And since you didn't seem to get this from the dialoge (I thought it was crystal clear, but then I come in knowing the story), they were the royal family before they were overthrown by the current king (Robert, with the help of Eddard) and forced into exile. Their father was the king who held the throne before Robert.

If you keep watching, I think you'll discover that calling them "the rival family" is rather an amusing statement. You're assuming a level of simplicity that's just never going to be there.
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FWIW, if this series does not get renewed, it seems like this first season will be a good launching pad to get people interested in the books and establish mental images of everything. It's not like there will be no options to get more story if it gets canned after two or three seasons like Deadwood.
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FWIW, if this series does not get renewed, it seems like this first season will be a good launching pad to get people interested in the books and establish mental images of everything. It's not like there will be no options to get more story if it gets canned after two or three seasons like Deadwood.
Yup this, we will get a ending.
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Yup this, we will get a ending.
Well...given Martin's speed of writing, that's still highly debatable! But we will have the option to explore more on our own nonetheless.

One thing is for certain, there is no way they can keep True Blood going long enough to cover all of Harris' books.
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Originally Posted by Dr. DVD View Post
FWIW, if this series does not get renewed, it seems like this first season will be a good launching pad to get people interested in the books and establish mental images of everything. It's not like there will be no options to get more story if it gets canned after two or three seasons like Deadwood.
Seems like even if the ratings aren't super-high, HBO would probably continue on with the series based solely on their international sales. Interest abroad for GoT has been quite high.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118034893?refCatId=19
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I think a second season is likely, though if it doesn't get good ratings or big Emmy awards I doubt it will go beyond two.

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