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Old 07-17-10, 09:34 AM
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Re: tell me about the shield

I'm going to be critical of The Shield, which you should know is probably my favorite series ever.

Some of the show toward the end (I think it's the first half of season 7, but I'm a little confused on the seasons since they kept changing the ordering and labeling of the seasons as they went along) isn't as good as the other seasons.

Some of the actors in the show took a little while to really dial in their characters (Karnes and Martinez), but when they got them dialed in they were utterly fantastic.

Some of the other actors who are related to principals of the show (namely the daughter of Michael Chiklis and the wife of Shawn Ryan) are not good actors to terrible actors. Ryan ruins a few scenes she is in as Mackey's wife while Chiklis ruins pretty much every scene she is in as Mackey's daughter, particularly later in the run of the series.
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Re: tell me about the shield

Originally Posted by Jimmy James View Post
I'm going to be critical of The Shield, which you should know is probably my favorite series ever.

Some of the show toward the end (I think it's the first half of season 7, but I'm a little confused on the seasons since they kept changing the ordering and labeling of the seasons as they went along) isn't as good as the other seasons.

Some of the actors in the show took a little while to really dial in their characters (Karnes and Martinez), but when they got them dialed in they were utterly fantastic.

Some of the other actors who are related to principals of the show (namely the daughter of Michael Chiklis and the wife of Shawn Ryan) are not good actors to terrible actors. Ryan ruins a few scenes she is in as Mackey's wife while Chiklis ruins pretty much every scene she is in as Mackey's daughter, particularly later in the run of the series.
Yeah, I gotta agree with half of that. I don't think Mackey's wife is a terrible actress (never knew her relationship to Ryan) but the daughter is the worst. I seriously thought they were going to come up with a story line where she is also autistic to explain how wooden and stilted she acted.
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I seriously thought they were going to come up with a story line where she is also autistic to explain how wooden and stilted she acted.
So did I, especially since Vic had two other kids with autism. I never had a problem with the actress who played Vic's wife, though.
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Originally Posted by Jimmy James View Post
Some of the other actors who are related to principals of the show (namely the daughter of Michael Chiklis and the wife of Shawn Ryan) are not good actors to terrible actors. Ryan ruins a few scenes she is in as Mackey's wife while Chiklis ruins pretty much every scene she is in as Mackey's daughter, particularly later in the run of the series.
This is about the only legit criticism I can imagine of The Shield and it's 100% correct.
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Ryan is a not good actor because she isn't as good as the others on the show. With her, it's mostly just that you want a little more range. It is usually most apparent when the daughter is also on screen. When you have Chiklis in a scene with Ryan as his wife and his daughter playing his daughter, the lack of acting talent from the female side of the equation is just way too evident.
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Great show which needs to be in HD !
Old 07-18-10, 05:07 AM
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Re: tell me about the shield

so im on season 5 now. i wasnt really a fan of glenn close in season 4, glad she is gone. forest whitaker however is really good. overall im loving the show (obviously as you can see how fast im burning through the eps). although sometimes i find myself not really caring about the cases going on that are wrapped up each episode. i guess im more about the drama side of the show.

question...does anything ever happen with julian being gay? it seems like that was totally forgotten, actually his whole life outside of the precinct has been forgotten. dont spoil anything...i just wonder if its something they decided to ditch.
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Originally Posted by Jimmy James View Post
Ryan is a not good actor because she isn't as good as the others on the show.
she has a hot ass though. when vic sees her through the window in her panties, i had to give a quick rewind. so i will forgive her for her acting skills!
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question...does anything ever happen with julian being gay? it seems like that was totally forgotten, actually his whole life outside of the precinct has been forgotten. dont spoil anything...i just wonder if its something they decided to ditch.
Yeah that was pretty much ditched. With all the shit going on I can't blame the writers. That particular storyline was never that compelling anyway IMO.
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Yeah that was pretty much ditched. With all the shit going on I can't blame the writers. That particular storyline was never that compelling anyway IMO.
it was an OK storyline. it was interesting though how he had to use the gay porn to donate sperm. thought maybe something was going to become of it. but yea its not that big of a deal really.
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I don't think it was so much ditched as always there and an explanation for why Julian didn't do more to go after Vic the dirty cop who he disapproved of. I don't think it was supposed to be much more than that.
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Yeah, sorry. I love the Wire and agree it's brilliant (and maybe it some ways "better") but the Shield is my all time favorite multi-season series.
Agreed. The Shield > The Wire
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The Shield isnt even in the same universe as The Wire. The Wire is the greatest drama in television history but the Shield is good but not great. The problem I had with the Shield was that the characters outside of Chiklis had decent to poor acting skills. This especially rang true with the guys on Mackey's team. Every single cop on Mackey's team are guys that will likely never work on a steady series again. Sure, it was nice to see some of the storylines reflecting Los Angeles culture and some of the stories were great but it comes across as an amateur show. I kept watching it and hoping it would get better once Glen Close and later Forest Whitaker came on board but the ancillary actors are so bad that it takes away from the solid plotlines.

I would recommend Breaking Bad if you want better plotlines and acting.

You are wrong on so many levels.
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I don't think it was so much ditched as always there and an explanation for why Julian didn't do more to go after Vic the dirty cop who he disapproved of. I don't think it was supposed to be much more than that.
and i guess them showing him jerking to gay porn kind of ended it. he wasnt fixed like he said but he lived the lie anyways.
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Some of the other actors who are related to principals of the show (namely the daughter of Michael Chiklis and the wife of Shawn Ryan) are not good actors to terrible actors. Ryan ruins a few scenes she is in as Mackey's wife while Chiklis ruins pretty much every scene she is in as Mackey's daughter, particularly later in the run of the series.
I had no problem with the wife. In fact, I liked how she didn't seem like an "actress" and instead had a more realistic feel to her. The daughter I could understand some complaints about, but I just wrote her off as an awkward teen who didn't know quite how to act around her parent's problems.
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IIRC, Michael Jace (the actor who played Julien) didn't like that they made his character gay, and I think that's why Julien sort of fades into the background. I did some googling, but couldn't find anything. If it's true it actually works in the character's favor, since he always seems to waver between being hesitant and lashing out.
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I think I once saw a blind item that strongly suggested Jace was concerned the homosexuality angle was going to hurt his career, but I seem to recall there was at least one other show playing around with that at the time so it wasn't 100% clear it was him.
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I can gauge someones intelligence just by hearing whether they prefer "The Wire" or "The Shield".

I stand by my statement that the acting(other than Chiklis and Pounder) is extremely poor. Great story lines, solid direction but the actors are poor at their craft.

As for the comparison of actors of The Wire vs. The Shield and their subsequent roles. Gimme a break. The Wire has 30 main characters and a lot of them are getting work but few of them would be the type for leading roles. With The Shield, other than the guest actors(Close and Whitaker), Chiklis and Pounder......the general actors might get a role here and there as a lead role but the series that were mentioned are a joke.
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Every single Cop on Mackey's team will likely never work on a steady series again??? Uhhh Hello, Walton Goggins (Shane) is on Justified as a series regular. One of the best new dramas from last season. And you didn't think Goggins was good on The Shield? ..Good Lord.

Kenny Johnson (Lem) was a series regular on Saving Grace

David Rees Snell (Ronnie) has worked steadily as a special guest star on various TV series. He did multiple episodes of Shawn Ryan's other series The Unit.

Alex O'Loughlin (Kevin Hiatt, even though it was only 1 season) is the lead on Hawaii Five-O

And not to mention Chiklis being the lead on No Oridinary Family on ABC. Pretty much all the other supporting actors including CCH Pounder, Benito Martinez, and even Jay Karnes have worked steadily since the show ended at least as special guest stars.

If you look at The Wire and The Shield's casts. More actors from The Shield have went on to work steadily in TV and film.
You just made my argument for me.
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I can gauge someones intelligence just by hearing whether they prefer "The Wire" or "The Shield".
Oh, jeez. Get back to us after you're done sucking yourself off.
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As for the comparison of actors of The Wire vs. The Shield and their subsequent roles. Gimme a break. The Wire has 30 main characters and a lot of them are getting work but few of them would be the type for leading roles. With The Shield, other than the guest actors(Close and Whitaker), Chiklis and Pounder......the general actors might get a role here and there as a lead role but the series that were mentioned are a joke.
Says who? Have you even bothered watching an episode of Justified with Walton Goggins? He was just promoted to series regular next season.

Saving Grace with Kenny Johnson as a lead opposite Holly Hunter ran 3 seasons and was considered a successful show for TNT.

Alex O'Loughlin's role on the Shield was really insignificant, but he's the lead on one of the most high profile new shows this Fall and he's been an in demand actor since he left the show.

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Fantastic series with top notch acting. Season 5 is my favorite.
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Shawn Ryan said something along the lines of, dealing with a situation such as Julien's won't necessarily be handled within the time frame of the show (a couple years), and that he still has those issues but they aren't at the forefront. It was in an interview sometime after the finale.
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Fantastic series with top notch acting. Season 5 is my favorite.
so far season 5 is my fav too. im on episode 6 of season six now.
im trying to stretch it out a bit now though. as much as i want to see how it ends...i dont want it to end!
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I can gauge someones intelligence just by hearing whether they prefer "The Wire" or "The Shield".
You sound like a decent person.

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