I don't know what was said, but I'm sure it was just to cover his and her ass. I'm almost positive that the couple (or 2 people that previously knew each other) is Hayden and Kristen. I've got last night's BBAD on in the background and there was a conversation between the two while alone:

H: I feel like everyone is thinking...us.
K: I don't think anyone suspects anything.
H: I feel like they do.
K: I think we've been doing a good job.
Both start laughing...

They weren't talking about an alliance. I'm not sure if they're a couple (most likely) or related/friends, but they have to be the 2 people that knew each other previously.

I don't think anyone in the house knows each other. I think that was just a saboteur thing.

As for what Hayden told Lane...he told him who Kristen said she would nominate, and if that gets back to Brittany and Monet (and Lane isn't exactly closed-mouth) then it puts Kristen on the top of their radar.

It doesn't even make any sense for Hayden to do it b/c Andrew & Kristen are his alt-alliance, and she's a great spy in the house for him b/c she listens and is unassuming.

Is it Just Me or does anyone else think SHO2 should do a better job with the scrolling BB Updates ...Talking about nominations on a tuesday nite for the BBAD Crowd is getting a lil old especially with the new wed/thurs schedule...How about some occurences in the house for the day...who actually is nominated real time....Its not too hard to figure out if you watch BBAD ...I'm just sayin

I think Brittanyy & Kathy are the two who know each other. They go out of the way to make it seem like they can't stand each other. Aren't they both from the south? Brit is 22 and Kathy stated in the first show that she had a 22 yr old son or daughter (don't remember which).. if they are from the same general area, it's not a big stretch to think that Brit is lifelong friends with Kathy's daughter/son and by extension her.. in rural areas everyone pretty much knows everyone else...

Ok so Brenden is getting shit faced off Patron, good thing BB didn't give Rachel Ruffies to use on him, and it already looks like she is gonna jump him soon. So what is BB and Sho gonna do? Will they let them get into good before they cut away or will they cut away as soon as the clothes come off?

I wonder if Brendon is turning down Rachel's advances because he is a 2 pump chump like Jesse and doesn't want it shown on the internet. If I worked at BB when I was setting up Rachel's HoH room I would have put a sensor under the bed so when it moves up and down it makes a buzzing noise in the rest of the house. Then the other house guests could really bust up laughing the whole 2 minutes.

If Brendon thinks that, he's an even bigger idiot for denying her advances becausee they have all been saying Rachel and him were doing it.

I am almost about to get the live feeds just so I can see where this train wreck is going tonight. Rachel is so hammered she almost fell down the stairs. Oh yeah, she had him in bed wrapped up in her legs begging for sex and all he wanted to do was get out of that room and go talk to everyone else. I can see some major drama coming tonight if Brenda doesn't pull out his vagina and scissor Rachel like a proper lezbo. I could actually see Rachel putting brenda on the block and having to get laid by someone else in the house tonight because she is so ready and brenda is not man enough to do his duty.

So Hayden and Kristen are getting closer...that's actually bad move for their game. I don't think her BF of a couple of weeks is going to be pleased though or her BF for much longer.

I guess Brendon and Rachel have decided to not make any decisions until they talk to their "alliance mate" Hayden, but it appears to be Monet as target & Brittany as pawn. If it stays that way, Brittany probably leaves.

I gotta imagine that would be like putting your junk in a tub of acid. Maybe he realizes it.

Hell yeah. They used to actually post what happened that day (e.g. 'everyone is suspecting... and they went crazy...'). This is the first season where I have seen them post basically nothing.

Really? It's been my experience that usually the scrolling is based on what they've shown on the last normal show. Maybe they get more current/topical towards the end of the season and I just had become immune to them by then.

I dont know. Rachel looks like Brooke Hogan only manlier and with red hair. In other words. She looks like a drag queen.

I agree. I think it would make Brendan MORE gay if he had sex with her.

Well I resisted the temptation to waste money on the live feeds. I got it last year when an episode of BBAD ended but there was enough action going on to make me want to see it.

As for Rachel and Brenda, no I don't find her attractive to be honest. I wanted to see if the drunken shenanigans would lead to a fight, brenda on the block, or if he would actually get it up for her. It was more like driving by an accident and looking for the body. Not to mention, Lydia from last season was friggin pissed and all over Rachel's shit last night on twitter. Talking about how Rachel wasn't wearing panties and just had that asshole's finger in her and all this crap. It was so funny and it really makes me wish they would bring crazy azz lydia back for the hell of it.

Ugh...no thanks. Although I view her and her attachment to Jesse as being identical to that of Rachel and Brenden, so it's quite ironic that she'd be slinging shit about it.

I wonder if Rachel would be fine with expecting the unexpected if the unexpected was me jumping the backyard fence and setting her on fire?

The DR is attempting to manipulate the Hell out of the game by having Rachel put Andrew up as the replacement nominee so they can save Monet.

Hell, Matt even volunteered to go up as a pawn (to protect exposing the Brigade).

I guess they want the drama that would happen if Andrew did go up. Certainly, Hayden wouldn't be in a good position if the rest of the Brigade chose to save Monet. That would be a fun conversation with Kristin, "I know Brittany & Monet are really the only people in the house after you, and that we're aligned with Andrew, but I really think this is the best move for...uh..."

How so? I honestly get so tired of everyone being convinced the game is fixed and rigged at every turn.

While you're in there, destroy the pool table and turn the hot tub up to 150 degrees. If she's in the backyard, pinch Brittney's boobie and call her fat, then jump back over the fence.

You doubt that the DR tries to influence the game? They hand picked their final two in Season 8. Last year after they made up that Coup de tat twist to help Jeff, they pleaded with him during his HOH week to not to get rid of Russell b/c they knew what would happen (Jeff would get evicted next...and he was). He talked about it on the feeds after he would come out of the DR.

Everytime Rachel comes back from the DR she's convinced that putting up Andrew is the right move. Matt volunteered to be the pawn. VOLUNTEERED! And Andrew is only supposed to be a pawn (he'll go b/c keeping both Monet & Brittany benefits Enzo & Lane...that's how they'll get rid of Kristen & Ragan). Rachel is twisting herself into convoluted motivations as to why Matt volunteered. Those probably came from the DR.

Unless something happens to expose alliances or whatever this is how I see the vote going as of now...

For Monet to leave: Ragan, Kathy, Brendon, Kristen
For Andrew to leave: Enzo, Matt, Lane, Brittany

That sticks Hayden smack in the middle between his alliance and his other alliance, and it would almost certainly "out" the brigade, which I think Alli G wants to out for more drama. They're playing it too well. Half the HGs think the veto competition today was rigged for Brittany. Who knows if it's true? We'll never know (the veto comp is not on the live feed so we'll only see what they want us to see).

IE You ASSUME it based on how the self professed paranoid houseguests act and say.

I'm not saying it never happens, but they sit in the DR and talk at length about a lot of stuff. I've seen completely organic conversations among houseguests get completely twisted within a matter of 30-40 minutes, I can only imagine how shit gets twisted in the houseguest's minds after coming out of a DR session.

It's just all I see on here usually. I honestly don't believe they have nearly as much influence on the way the game plays out as some of the more vocal folks I've seen here. I find that to be aspects of the Big Brother paranoia seeping through to folks at home in some cases.

So you honestly believe that the DR both made Rachel think that she needs to put up Andrew and convinced Matt that he needs to volunteer to be the pawn? To which my follow up would be, if you think the show is that rigged, why would you even take it serious enough to bother watching it?

As for the "rigged" competition. Please. So says the losers. Shocking.

No, I think Rachel is kind of dumb, and the DR confused her and made her question Matt's motivation. She was telling Ragan that she thinks nominating Andrew would be bold move. Bold move? Really.

I didn't say the competition was rigged. And we will never know whether that competition was rigged. It could have been. I certainly wouldn't put it past them. After season 8, anything is possible with BB. And the show was certainly that rigged then.

There are lots of examples from that year, but all you really need to do is look at one week in particular. Eric stayed; Jessica won HOH, and Dustin was America's target for eviction in the America Player/BB rigs the game twist. I won't defend Dustin; he was an ass, but just about everyone in season 8 was an ass. They have enought footage to edit people into any character they want. In that season, Jessica was portrayed as the mean girl in week one. She figured out on her own what they were doing to her and leading her into saying in the DR so she didn't say anything bad about anyone in the DR after that. Her "nasty" goodbye speech to Carol was cobbled together from things they led her into saying earlier in the week. In her actual goodbye message she didn't say anything mean at all. I digress.

That week Jessica nominated Dick and Danielle. BB knew that Eric/America would have the swing vote on Tuesday b/c Jen & Zach would vote how Jessica wanted, and Jess was taking her cues from Eric. That week Dick said & did some pretty vile and disgusting things. BB put it on the show, but glossed over it and didn't use his really rancid material. Plus, they counter pointed it with his stirring confessionals where he explained he was just doing it b/c he loved his daughter. He was the rough around the edges Rock 'N Roll Dad with a heart of gold.

In contrast, on occasion, Dustin did respond to some of the vile things Dick said and did. That was put on the show, but given no context. It was just Dustin saying it. Then they showed Dustin in the DR basically talking about what an assclown Dick was and mocking that he was gone. Now, the DR is supposed to be where you are free to be yourself and say what you're really thinking; there shouldn't be game consequences for that. Dick would have won that AP vote anyway. The edit...and it WAS an edit...assured that.

When Eric got the call that he had to save Dick, he tried to half-ass it. He didn't want to save Dick and openly betray Dustin, who had just saved him five days before. On Wednesday night, the DR called him in and told him that if Dick didn't stay that the next AP vote would be whether Eric should be expelled from the house. It's still on Youtube. You can watch when he gets out of that DR session and goes and lays in the hammock for about twenty minutes looking at the stars wondering what the Hell to do. He then got up and made the deal with Danielle. Rigged.

As for why I watch...I've tried not to. I just can't help myself. Sometimes I stop when I start hating everyone in the house. I quit for a long while in season 9, and I quit last year when everyone was trashing Michele.

I guess that's my point. You said Rachel is dumb. So do you not think her having any sort of conversation about it with the DR would be enough to confuse her on her own? Why is it an automatic jump to assume that the DR is influencing, especially when you know the source could probably be declared legally retarded?


I agree 100% that the edit the CBS crowd gets is NEVER the real show as it plays out. I can understand instances where America is making decisions based on what CBS is showing them and that can be seen as rigging or fixing the game as it is ultimately CBS deciding what those people are seeing to base their decisions on. (For the majority of folks watching.)

I personally do not believe that they influence on the level of what you're talking about earlier though. It gets really old to see each and every damn season. And here we are week 2 and people are already claiming all over the place how they're rigging the game. Maybe the answer for me is to just keep out of the message boards about it.

I'll step back a bit, and say that I don't think Rachel is entirely dumb. She's just wants to believe people and is easily persuaded. She reminds me of Jessica a little in that regard (though she's more leaky, doesn't quite have Jess's social game, and is older and has lived on her own for years so doesn't really have an excuse). Do I think this is entirely coming from the DR? No. But I do think it has an influence. They do have influence over contestants who are not strong willed. Just by the way they ask questions it can sometimes lead the show to desired TV show outcome.

Do I think that the show runners would rather have Monet stay than Andrew? Yes, I do. She's better TV. She gives Brittany a sounding board for her "mean girl" quotes in the house so she's just not all DR, and Brittany is one of their go to characters so far. She gives good sound bites. Andrew has been dull, and he's a pretty weird guy altogether.

Hayden mentioned last week that they were trying to save Annie before he nominated her. Who knows what that actually entailed or whether it was just Hayden's perception? It has become an accepted meme among most BB fans that there is DR influence. Maybe Hayden has followed the show and had preconceptions. Ragan certainly does.

I hope you don't leave. It would be pretty boring place if everyone agreed, especially in reality shows like this. We should have different contestants we're rooting for. For instance, you're clearly not a Rachel fan. That's cool. I think Brendon quite possibly might be the biggest pansy they've ever had the show, which if you look at him is pretty stunning. Hell, even Lydia's making fun of him now on twitter, and she has no room to talk. For a thirty year old guy to be crying as much as he is about a girl that he met two weeks ago. Sheesh man. Grow a pair.