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Re: The Big Brother 12 After Dark(Showtime Too) Discussion Thread
Originally Posted by superfro
(Post 10335624)
Couple things. I don't think any of them think they can beat him in the end due to his "sick wife" and whether they want to admit it or not, I think they also know they'd have a hard time with him in comps. They're hanging it all on the fact that he's too close to Ragan though. Enzo in particular has been the driving force IMO of breaking Matt off from the group. There is something to the fact that Matt is so close with Ragan obviously, but when they have more ulterior motives it's a lot easier to paint a picture that they want to see with the fewest strokes necessary. You know? Like Enzo is all of a sudden convinced Matt is the saboteur. BTW...everybody that Enzo votes out he's convinced it's the saboteur. :rolleyes: Enzo is trying to pin some of the prizes from the last Veto comp on Matt, even though he and Lane both know that Hayden took them. Enzo's been sabotaging him for a week and a half now around the house.
I also think Enzo took the whole DPOV thing hard. He thinks it was shitty of Matt to put him and Hayden on the spot by making them tell him they were keeping Lane when he knew he was staying. Basically Enzo showed his hand and thus felt like he had no choice to dump the guy he outed himself to. |
Re: The Big Brother 12 After Dark(Showtime Too) Discussion Thread
So is Ragan totally pissed at Matt or are they still hanging out?
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Re: The Big Brother 12 After Dark(Showtime Too) Discussion Thread
Originally Posted by Blu Man
(Post 10335680)
So is Ragan totally pissed at Matt or are they still hanging out?
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Re: The Big Brother 12 After Dark(Showtime Too) Discussion Thread
Originally Posted by DWilson
(Post 10335765)
-since he's so fixated on honor and nobility in the game, -when he finds out the truth about Matt's wife.
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Re: The Big Brother 12 After Dark(Showtime Too) Discussion Thread
Originally Posted by Blu Man
(Post 10335774)
All Matt has to say: "And the saboteur was who exactly?"
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Re: The Big Brother 12 After Dark(Showtime Too) Discussion Thread
Originally Posted by superfro
(Post 10335624)
I also think Enzo took the whole DPOV thing hard. He thinks it was shitty of Matt to put him and Hayden on the spot by making them tell him they were keeping Lane when he knew he was staying. Basically Enzo showed his hand and thus felt like he had no choice to dump the guy he outed himself to.
Honestly, I don't know. I don't have the live feeds this year, but I think it's interesting if Matt didn't really want to do it. Obviously, whatever information that Matt got from that wasn't nearly enough to convince him that the Brigade was done with him. |
Re: The Big Brother 12 After Dark(Showtime Too) Discussion Thread
Originally Posted by Bill Needle
(Post 10335672)
What little I saw last night Enzo was really, really bagging on him and Ragan both, but while he seemed more simply resigned to getting rid of Matt to save his own skin, he seemed like he wanted to tear Ragan's head off...which is why I couldn't figure why not just go after Ragan in the first place.
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Re: The Big Brother 12 After Dark(Showtime Too) Discussion Thread
Originally Posted by dino88
(Post 10335839)
Because there was no chance of Britney putting Ragan on the block this week.
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Re: The Big Brother 12 After Dark(Showtime Too) Discussion Thread
Matt deserves to go home. Ragan laid out everything 100% accurate with what's going on in the house and Matt refuses to believe. Ragan says Hayden/Lane/Enzo are in an alliance and either Matt is a part of them and is lying about it, or thinks he is but is on the outs with it and has no idea. "No way man" says Matt. Then Matt runs to Lane saying that he thinks Ragan is on the scent of the Brigade but he's going to work on him to throw him off and convince him it's not there. What a moron.
I'm pretty sure that most of the DR influence is paranoia in the house, but there is some fishy stuff going on here with Ragan tonight. Apparently he had a marathon 2 hour DR session today and ever since has said he's had his "eyes opened", and no seemingly knows everything that's going on with the Brigade and is giving Matt a ton of opportunities to come out about the Brigade and dropping tons of hints about someone needing to out them. Most likely the one they betray. Of course all this goes over his head, but it's odd the way Ragan is talking. I guess it could be that he went in with his thoughts and was able to piece stuff together with a 3rd party to bounce them off of, but it's just odd. (Although Britney did tell him today that Matt going home was a done deal last week long before Enzo/Hayden told Matt and were stringing him along. I think that put doubt into him about H/E/L) |
Re: The Big Brother 12 After Dark(Showtime Too) Discussion Thread
Maybe I'm seeing/imagining things, but in "After Dark" Matt and Ragan seem to have switched places. Ragan seems in complete control of himself (and giving Matt the silent or one-word answer treatment) while Matt is now the depressed weakling. Even physically Matt seems to have shrunk while Ragan has become more physically imposing. Yes, I'm watching too much "BB." :p
And even though I want her gone because she's such a catty bitch behind her enemies' back I love the comedy that Britney brings to the show. After seeing how bad Hayden and Enzo were at recalling previous events for an expected DE mental quiz she throws her arms up, looks at the camera and says 'this is my army? You're my army? Why don't you guys just stab me right here, right now!' :D |
Re: The Big Brother 12 After Dark(Showtime Too) Discussion Thread
Everybody is a catty bitch in the BB house. At least she's spot on and hilarious about it. :lol:
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Re: The Big Brother 12 After Dark(Showtime Too) Discussion Thread
Originally Posted by superfro
(Post 10336057)
At least she's spot on and hilarious about it. :lol:
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Re: The Big Brother 12 After Dark(Showtime Too) Discussion Thread
This is happening now....
Ragan tells Matt straight out that the boys want him (Matt) gone. Ragan says he has figured this out and it's not Britney cow-towing to Brendon, she's cow-towing to the 3 boys. I don't think that you understand that it's the those 3 that want you gone and I think you're in denial in it. Matt says he isn't. Ragan says they want Brendon here over you. Brendon staying doesn't knock me out. Ragan says it is a definite lock that you are going home. Matt still says he wants to create a new "fake they" .. Ragan says "You just don't get it. They don't want Brendon gone" |
Re: The Big Brother 12 After Dark(Showtime Too) Discussion Thread
Originally Posted by superfro
(Post 10337020)
This is happening now....
The guy is clearly in denial and just continuing to eat the remaining Brigade's bullshit they feed him. He's going to hate looking back at this whole thing on the other side. |
Re: The Big Brother 12 After Dark(Showtime Too) Discussion Thread
Not to mention he's even running back to the brigade with all of Ragan's comments as if they still have his back and he still has a chance to stay. Pretty incredible at this point. I guess you partly have to give the brigade some credit for the acting job they're pulling on him.
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Re: The Big Brother 12 After Dark(Showtime Too) Discussion Thread
Originally Posted by pankwindu
(Post 10337069)
Not to mention he's even running back to the brigade with all of Ragan's comments as if they still have his back and he still has a chance to stay. Pretty incredible at this point. I guess you partly have to give the brigade some credit for the acting job they're pulling on him.
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Re: The Big Brother 12 After Dark(Showtime Too) Discussion Thread
More stuff from Mortys:
12:20PM BBT: Matt approaches in Ragan in the cabana room with a last ditch plan to save himself and switch votes to Enzo. Basically saying that by keeping him they are keeping Ragan as someone they can understand. Matt: "This all hedges on trust with you. And implicates you in no way....." He is going over what alliances he has to focus on. Lane/Hayden alliance is the only one he has to focus on. Lane/Hayden will still have Britney, Ragan is alone or has Matt. Ragan: "It's disastrous for me to do that. I'll be the lone bullet they go after because they won't know what I am thinking. It makes a bigger target on me. What you are saying is that this person has this person's ear and they have this person's ear but they don't have my ear. They want you gone. You aren't listening to me me Matt, they want you gone. No matter what they are telling you, no matter what friendship you had, they want you gone. That is why Britney put you up. I don't think she is cow-towing to Brendon she is cow-towing to those three boys. They.Want.You.Gone. Matt: "But there's that inherent selfishness in them..." Ragan: "That inherent selfishness is what makes them want you gone. Even after you had that PoV." Matt: "But if they..." Ragan: "They are playing the odds and they aren't going to let you stay. It's too big a lead. It's reaching. I don't think you quite understand is the reason that they want you go. I think you are in denial that they want you gone." Matt: "I'm not in denial, Hayden told me to my face that I am a strong competitor and all of that. But if you tell them this." Ragan: "It puts a huge target on my back and it seems like I am going after them and it's not fair to me. Rather than squash that fear you're going to make it bigger." 12:31PM BBT: Ragan: "If they think I am going to win HoH then trust me, they are working with Brendon and they have been working on this relationship for weeks. You don't get it, you appealing to them by saying keep me in so I can get Brendon out won't work, they don't want Brendon out." Matt: "I'm not saying that, I am trying to say keep me in to save your asses because I am the only link for you to someone who can help get him out." Ragan: "No, that's not fair to me. It's just not. Over the next couple of days I have to work with them. I want to be standing next to one of them, and if they think that about me (being the loose cannon) I need to repair it." Matt: "OK, well that's why I asked you before I did it. I had to try." Ragan: "If you want to stay you need something on a much grander scale, it's got to be big. It's not going to be something that appeals to sensibilities, it's got to be something that messes up an alliance somehow." Matt: "Well...." (silence) Ever since Ragan has come out from the 2-hour DR session, he has been confident that H/L/E are working together. He has been less focussed on Brendon. Yesterday Ragan told Matt, if he is in the jury he will vote for Britany or Brendon if they are against H/L/E because B & B are the best competitors in the game in addition to Matt. |
Re: The Big Brother 12 After Dark(Showtime Too) Discussion Thread
Originally Posted by Winky
(Post 10337457)
It seems like Ragan has been clued in by BB about the Brigade. He keeps saying that Matt has to break the "alliance".
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Re: The Big Brother 12 After Dark(Showtime Too) Discussion Thread
It appears Lane won the second HOH tonight. If Ragan's wins Veto (he's been preparing for the morph all year!) then it potentially sets up a real ugly vote off for Lane next week. Hayden votes out Brit; Ragan votes out Enzo; Lane has to break the tie on live tv.
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Re: The Big Brother 12 After Dark(Showtime Too) Discussion Thread
Loved what Ragan said tonight:
Rachel came into the house planning on being a villain. Wait, just WAIT till he gets out of the house and see how Brenchel are the heroes of the house. |
Re: The Big Brother 12 After Dark(Showtime Too) Discussion Thread
You now, Superfro accused me earlier of being on Team Brendon and I denied it because I really don't like the guy but loved how his presence was a catalyst to fire-up everybody else (particularly Britney and Ragan). Well, I guess I really was Team Brendon because last night I had to shut down "After Dark" after 45 minutes because I couldn't take it anymore. I like nobody left in the house except Ragan as an extreme darkhorse, but he's got the biggest target on his back now (how does it feel to be Brendon Ragan? :rolleyes: ). I'll still check Joker's and post here but I guess my all-consuming obsession with "BB" went away when Matt and Brendon walked out of the house. Oh well, more time for me to catch-up on Blu-ray and movies. :)
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Re: The Big Brother 12 After Dark(Showtime Too) Discussion Thread
Originally Posted by Evan Meadow
(Post 10341688)
Loved what Ragan said tonight:
Rachel came into the house planning on being a villain. Wait, just WAIT till he gets out of the house and see how Brenchel are the heroes of the house. But they're at least not as bad as cry baby Ragan and Bitchney. |
Re: The Big Brother 12 After Dark(Showtime Too) Discussion Thread
Originally Posted by the big train
(Post 10342313)
Bitchney.
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Re: The Big Brother 12 After Dark(Showtime Too) Discussion Thread
Originally Posted by the big train
(Post 10342313)
Bitchney.
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Re: The Big Brother 12 After Dark(Showtime Too) Discussion Thread
I think Bitchney suits her very well...and she's my favorite housemate.
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