Penn & Teller Bull****: Fast Food - 06/17/10
06-19-10, 09:01 AM
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so you want the government to intrude on our lives and limit our choices. got it.
06-20-10, 02:03 AM
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Correct. Much like cigarettes have nearly been outlawed everywhere, fast food needs to be banished. Heart disease, not breast cancer or whatever disease of the month is in vogue, is the number one killer in the US. It really is just a matter of time before the government starts regulating the industry.
06-20-10, 02:43 AM
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Re: Penn & Teller Bull****: Fast Food - 06/17/10
I quit smoking about 7 years ago and don't miss it. That being said that I think it's one of the dumbest fucking ideas to demonize smokers (I happen to like and stand behind the no smoking laws in public places) and at the same time rely on all the tax revenue they generate.
Go ahead and ban the shit and the government would just raise your taxes to even higher levels. We keep going with the bullshit attitude that the country seems to be adopting of being accepting of more government control and we most certainly won't be able to call ourselves the Land of the Free anymore...
I most certainly am not a republican, but I still gotta say Fucking democrats
And btw, just saw this episode and thought it was pretty good. I guess they don't want the gov't tellin what they can and can't eat either. That blonde chick seemed like a mega bitch. Fuckin skinny salad eatin bitch LOL
Go ahead and ban the shit and the government would just raise your taxes to even higher levels. We keep going with the bullshit attitude that the country seems to be adopting of being accepting of more government control and we most certainly won't be able to call ourselves the Land of the Free anymore...
I most certainly am not a republican, but I still gotta say Fucking democrats
And btw, just saw this episode and thought it was pretty good. I guess they don't want the gov't tellin what they can and can't eat either. That blonde chick seemed like a mega bitch. Fuckin skinny salad eatin bitch LOL
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06-20-10, 09:13 AM
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Correct. Much like cigarettes have nearly been outlawed everywhere, fast food needs to be banished. Heart disease, not breast cancer or whatever disease of the month is in vogue, is the number one killer in the US. It really is just a matter of time before the government starts regulating the industry.
06-20-10, 12:58 PM
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Correct. Much like cigarettes have nearly been outlawed everywhere, fast food needs to be banished. Heart disease, not breast cancer or whatever disease of the month is in vogue, is the number one killer in the US. It really is just a matter of time before the government starts regulating the industry.
We, as a nation, need to get past this "perceived perception" thing that more expensive food=healthier food, thus perpetuating the pricing of organic products in the store. People do want to eat well, but they want convenient and inexpensive choices to do so. Right now, it's foods filled with sodium, HFCS, transfats and higher BPA levels that's the inexpensive cheap stuff in the stores. You think the government should regulate it even MORE? They already subsidize it so it can be found cheaply in the stores. Asking them to regulate something they have allowed with subsidies doesn't strike me as the best answer.
06-20-10, 09:46 PM
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My real criticism is that I thought it was irresponsible/ridiculous that Penn & Teller found a nice non-overweight family to do their story on. To me it was akin to them doing them a show on the one guy that didn't get lung cancer from smoking all his life.
I do not agree fast food should be banished from the face of the planet, but I don't see any reason why the government can't subsidize organic farming and outlaw HFCS from foods and finally ban BPA from canned foods and plastics. Because they DO subsidize foods, but it's such unhealthy foods to make things cheaper that it really is harming the health of people over a life time.
We, as a nation, need to get past this "perceived perception" thing that more expensive food=healthier food, thus perpetuating the pricing of organic products in the store. People do want to eat well, but they want convenient and inexpensive choices to do so. Right now, it's foods filled with sodium, HFCS, transfats and higher BPA levels that's the inexpensive cheap stuff in the stores. You think the government should regulate it even MORE? They already subsidize it so it can be found cheaply in the stores. Asking them to regulate something they have allowed with subsidies doesn't strike me as the best answer.
We, as a nation, need to get past this "perceived perception" thing that more expensive food=healthier food, thus perpetuating the pricing of organic products in the store. People do want to eat well, but they want convenient and inexpensive choices to do so. Right now, it's foods filled with sodium, HFCS, transfats and higher BPA levels that's the inexpensive cheap stuff in the stores. You think the government should regulate it even MORE? They already subsidize it so it can be found cheaply in the stores. Asking them to regulate something they have allowed with subsidies doesn't strike me as the best answer.
06-21-10, 08:21 AM
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It's a two way street. I'm not arguing that we shouldn't blame the people. But I also don't share the libertarian view of putting the power in the peoples' hands.
My real criticism is that I thought it was irresponsible/ridiculous that Penn & Teller found a nice non-overweight family to do their story on. To me it was akin to them doing them a show on the one guy that didn't get lung cancer from smoking all his life.
Yeah, I totally agree that there is the myth about eating healthy costing more. Also, eating healthy still has a hippie/liberal vibe and hasn't been embraced by the mainstream. I don't have any answers other than something needs to be done.
My real criticism is that I thought it was irresponsible/ridiculous that Penn & Teller found a nice non-overweight family to do their story on. To me it was akin to them doing them a show on the one guy that didn't get lung cancer from smoking all his life.
Yeah, I totally agree that there is the myth about eating healthy costing more. Also, eating healthy still has a hippie/liberal vibe and hasn't been embraced by the mainstream. I don't have any answers other than something needs to be done.
I still find it hard to imagine that you couldn't believe they would take the libertarian stance.
As for the family - wasn't that the point....just because you eat a lot of fast food doesn't automatically mean you are going to get fat.
06-21-10, 08:53 AM
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It sounds like your problem is with Penn's politics rather than the subject matter of the episode.
06-21-10, 08:58 AM
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I've said this around these parts many times before, but if the government were truly serious about curbing obesity, they'd stop the corn subsidies.
"Regulating" fast food (what would that even entail? Warnings on the wrapper? Fast food taxes?) would be counter-productive.
"Regulating" fast food (what would that even entail? Warnings on the wrapper? Fast food taxes?) would be counter-productive.
06-21-10, 09:10 AM
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It's not automatic, but the odds are good that if you eat a lot of fast food, you are going to get fat. A Big Mac, regular fries, and medium coke gives you 1130 calories and 48 grams of fat. That's a lot for one meal, and if you do that once in a while, you'll be fine, but if you do it often, you're in trouble. I don't agree at all with banning fast food, but I also don't agree with pretending it's not a problem.
06-21-10, 09:16 AM
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I remember when I was a young kid (in the 80's) when my parents got us McDonald's it was considered a special occasion or treat. People just go to these places way too much and have sedentary life styles.
06-21-10, 09:17 AM
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The odds are you eat a lot of food while doing nothing but sitting on your ass, you're going to get fat.
06-21-10, 09:25 AM
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06-21-10, 09:40 AM
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It's not automatic, but the odds are good that if you eat a lot of fast food, you are going to get fat. A Big Mac, regular fries, and medium coke gives you 1130 calories and 48 grams of fat. That's a lot for one meal, and if you do that once in a while, you'll be fine, but if you do it often, you're in trouble. I don't agree at all with banning fast food, but I also don't agree with pretending it's not a problem.
We all know those skinny people that eat fast food every day. This all suggests that our current understanding of weight control is very embryonic.
06-21-10, 09:44 AM
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Allow me to recommended that everyone here check out the documentary 'Fathead' on this very topic.
06-21-10, 11:25 AM
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This is exactly true, it was a treat on a special occasion. It shouldn't be regulated at all because some can't control themselves.
06-21-10, 11:34 AM
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Re: Penn & Teller Bull****: Fast Food - 06/17/10
In our house we are firm believers in considering your portion size. There is no way I could eat a big mac, fries, and a drink in 1 sitting. We occasionally eat fast food (family of 4), and when we do - we each get a sandwich, we split 1 order of fries for the 4 of us, and 2 drinks - 1 for each side of the table.
I just can't imagine the amount of "food" some people consume in a single sitting.
I just can't imagine the amount of "food" some people consume in a single sitting.
06-21-10, 11:49 AM
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I've said this around these parts many times before, but if the government were truly serious about curbing obesity, they'd stop the corn subsidies.
"Regulating" fast food (what would that even entail? Warnings on the wrapper? Fast food taxes?) would be counter-productive.
"Regulating" fast food (what would that even entail? Warnings on the wrapper? Fast food taxes?) would be counter-productive.
In our house we are firm believers in considering your portion size. There is no way I could eat a big mac, fries, and a drink in 1 sitting. We occasionally eat fast food (family of 4), and when we do - we each get a sandwich, we split 1 order of fries for the 4 of us, and 2 drinks - 1 for each side of the table.
I just can't imagine the amount of "food" some people consume in a single sitting.
I just can't imagine the amount of "food" some people consume in a single sitting.
06-21-10, 04:13 PM
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Re: Penn & Teller Bull****: Fast Food - 06/17/10
If you regulate fast food, don't you have to regulate every single other source of food? Chain restaurants, Local restaurants, Supermarkets, Sidewalk vendors, Vending Machines, Carnival Food even dumpsters would need regulation. Who in their right mind even goes to a fast food joint when you have excellent local fare to get fat on.
I live on an island that doesn't allow fast food restaurants and I am proof you don't need it fast to get chubby!
Natural Selection!
I live on an island that doesn't allow fast food restaurants and I am proof you don't need it fast to get chubby!
Natural Selection!
06-22-10, 08:10 AM
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Correct. Much like cigarettes have nearly been outlawed everywhere, fast food needs to be banished. Heart disease, not breast cancer or whatever disease of the month is in vogue, is the number one killer in the US. It really is just a matter of time before the government starts regulating the industry.
06-22-10, 11:54 AM
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Re: Penn & Teller Bull****: Fast Food - 06/17/10
It isn't like cigarettes though. Places are designated non-smoking or smoking is banned so as not to intrude on the rights of non-smokers. I shouldn't have to breath your crap when I'm trying to eat a meal, y'know? Where you smoke impacts other people who just want to breath relatively fresh air. Where you eat doesn't impact anybody else. I'm with Thoreau. The government is best which governs least. Stay out of my food choices!
06-23-10, 01:40 PM
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Re: Penn & Teller Bull****: Fast Food - 06/17/10
If you can't ban 'em, sue 'em....
http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/22/news...n_bin&hpt=Sbin
So having a McDonalds in your neighborhood is like having a child molester in your neighborhood.
http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/22/news...n_bin&hpt=Sbin
McDonald's warned: Drop the toys or get sued
By Ben Rooney, staff reporter
June 22, 2010: 3:32 PM ET
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- A nutrition watchdog group is threatening to sue McDonald's if the fast-food giant won't stop using toys to to lure children to its Happy Meals .
The Center for Science in the Public Interest said Tuesday that it has served McDonald's notice of its intent to sue over what it says is unfair and deceptive marketing.
"McDonald's is the stranger in the playground handing out candy to children," CSPI's litigation director, Stephen Gardner, said in a prepared statement. "It's a creepy and predatory practice that warrants an injunction."
In its notice letter, CSPI says that McDonald's toy-related promotions violate state consumer protection laws in four states and the District of Columbia. The letter gives McDonald's 30 days to agree to stop the practice before a suit is filed.
The nutrition group claims that using toys to entice children instills bad eating habits and puts kids at higher risk of risk of developing obesity, diabetes, or other diet-related diseases over the course of their lifetime.
McDonald's disagreed with the CSPI's criticism, saying that its U.S. advertising campaign is focused on low-calorie Happy Meals.
"We couldn't disagree more with the misrepresentation of our food and marketing practices," McDonald's spokesman William Whitman said in a prepared statement.
"McDonald's is committed to a responsible approach to our menu, and our Happy Meal offerings," he said. "We have added more choice and variety than ever before, a fact that has been widely reported and recognized."
CSPI director Michael Jacobson acknowledged that parents bear much of the responsibility for children's eating habit -- a criticism industry defenders often levy.
"But multi-billion-dollar corporations make parents' job nearly impossible by giving away toys and bombarding kids with slick advertising," he said.
In 2006, fast food companies spent more than $520 million on advertising and toys to market children's meals, according to the Federal Trade Commission.
By Ben Rooney, staff reporter
June 22, 2010: 3:32 PM ET
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- A nutrition watchdog group is threatening to sue McDonald's if the fast-food giant won't stop using toys to to lure children to its Happy Meals .
The Center for Science in the Public Interest said Tuesday that it has served McDonald's notice of its intent to sue over what it says is unfair and deceptive marketing.
"McDonald's is the stranger in the playground handing out candy to children," CSPI's litigation director, Stephen Gardner, said in a prepared statement. "It's a creepy and predatory practice that warrants an injunction."
In its notice letter, CSPI says that McDonald's toy-related promotions violate state consumer protection laws in four states and the District of Columbia. The letter gives McDonald's 30 days to agree to stop the practice before a suit is filed.
The nutrition group claims that using toys to entice children instills bad eating habits and puts kids at higher risk of risk of developing obesity, diabetes, or other diet-related diseases over the course of their lifetime.
McDonald's disagreed with the CSPI's criticism, saying that its U.S. advertising campaign is focused on low-calorie Happy Meals.
"We couldn't disagree more with the misrepresentation of our food and marketing practices," McDonald's spokesman William Whitman said in a prepared statement.
"McDonald's is committed to a responsible approach to our menu, and our Happy Meal offerings," he said. "We have added more choice and variety than ever before, a fact that has been widely reported and recognized."
CSPI director Michael Jacobson acknowledged that parents bear much of the responsibility for children's eating habit -- a criticism industry defenders often levy.
"But multi-billion-dollar corporations make parents' job nearly impossible by giving away toys and bombarding kids with slick advertising," he said.
In 2006, fast food companies spent more than $520 million on advertising and toys to market children's meals, according to the Federal Trade Commission.
So having a McDonalds in your neighborhood is like having a child molester in your neighborhood.
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06-23-10, 02:39 PM
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Re: Penn & Teller Bull****: Fast Food - 06/17/10
I recently read the book Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes and it was pretty eye-opening. Part of the book highlights research which suggests that people overeat because they're getting fat; people don't get fat because they overeat.
We all know those skinny people that eat fast food every day. This all suggests that our current understanding of weight control is very embryonic.
We all know those skinny people that eat fast food every day. This all suggests that our current understanding of weight control is very embryonic.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/07/ma...g-fat-lie.html
I'd also recommend books from Michael Pollan and the documentaries Food Inc. and King Corn to anyone interested in this topic. I can understand people defending the right to eat what they want, but trying to defend much of what most people eat as anything approaching real food is just ignorant.