No one excused their actions. I don't think anyone here acted like Quinn was some angel. She was a bitch, and she did some HUGELY fucked up things. That doesn't mean that Kurt hasn't done some horrible things as well. We shouldn't paint over them just because we don't want to appear homophobic. He's going Fatal Attraction.

I'm not saying I don't like Kurt. I enjoy the character, and think he has delivered some amazing performances. In regards to Finn though, he leaped over the line.

Agreed. But I don't remember the "tsk, tsk" expressed here, say, over Santana's nailing Finn at Sue's direction to steal his Glee mojo.

Personally, I liked the Kurt-of-the-chin-up-don't-mess-up-my-Marc-Jacobs-in-the-dumpster; but, critics wanted more depth in the characters on Glee. I think we're getting that, but as a result losing some of the wacky stuff that made the show appealing to me.

Finn's homosexual panic was on target, and the Dad's stepping in well-timed. But I've not seen Kurt make any lewd moves on Finn (I'm not sure he's even conscious of how to do that). I've seen it all in the context of wanting to fit in and be liked by someone he admires. But it's the situation and judgment of the viewers that impose ulterior motives. At least from what I've seen.

This show opened with Rachel ratting out the original director of the Glee club for "inappropriate" touching of a male student by a male teacher (we later see that the guy hooks up with Sue so, go figure). And from what we actually see of the incident Rachel fudged a bit on the story for her own motives. All of that was clearly more awful than anything Kurt has done...so far.

Maybe those other situations seemed to be more based in humor, while this seems to be played in a more serious manner? I'm not sure that I can answer that, because honestly I barely remember that scene with Santana. However, maybe it is my own biases that I don't even realize.

On the other point, I don't know if Kurt admires Finn, or if it really is just more physical attraction.

Again, for me, that's exactly right. We're given a finely played "heavy" dramatic scene that--given the history of the show and it's many, many weird turns--cut deep not just for the characters but touched on larger societal issues. And we're left holding that sack. I thought it was a mistake of the writers and not, say, Kurt or a gay thing or whatever.

And even though yes its a straight up double standard, we're not going to complain about the Santana situation because many of us wish we were in that same situation

Absolutely. Santana in that Gaga outfit.

if only we were allowed picture/gif sigs...

Really? You're asking a bunch of straight guys here why there was no "tsk tsk" at that?

I ask again:

Ah, yes...but which to choose?

i do believe it is.

He is? How exactly?

I have'nt seen Kurt go to any of the extremes that Alex, the character in Fatal Attraction did.
Redoing a room is nowhere near as bad as boiling a bunny.

There was a Sue-less episode early on in the run, it was one of the worst episodes if I recall.

Well, there was the instance a couple episodes back where he was lurking outside the window while his dad was watching a game with Finn. I thought at first he was just yearning for more time with his dad, but with everything that's happened since then, it's looking more like he's just doing anything possible to get Finn...and that made the window-watching moment all the more creepy.

No, but manipulating peoples' lives and hurting them to get what you want isn't too far off.

Checking IMDB (usually accurate) Jane Lynch is listed as "credit only" in Episode 10, "Ballad."

But correct me if I'm wrong but Finn has already said he's not interested. He's also made it clear he's not Gay. Based on what we've seen so far Kurt seems to think his actions towards Finn will change that one day. Kurt is always asking others to understand and accept him but it seems he has very little understanding of how Straight Young Males think outside of Bullying and Sports.

There was the line early in the episode from Kurt, when he got the money to redo the room that really said alot.

"..I'm going to put together a palette that expresses who you are, and who I want you to be.... who you want to be"

At first, I didn't think anything of it. Now, it's a lot more creepy.

What I remember is the set-up with the parents back-fired on Kurt, and he told Finn it had been a mistake. That was then. This episode he was all excited about having Finn there (I took it as if he was going to "remake" Finn as successfully as he and Mercedes had done Sue for the Vogue thing).

I think we--and Finn--saw it very differently. And I think that was calculated. The degree of Kurt's hurt puzzled me, but I think he was upset that he had been accused of motives that weren't there. At least, I didn't see anything inappropriate.

But then the Father's speech put it all in a realm of high drama and the audience didn't have time (or information) to digest it all. Although Finn seems to have since he donned his Gaga and said he was sorry. I think the whole thing was a misfire...by the writers.

Not to change the subject too drastically, but about the bullying...with everything that's going on these days (and I realize this is a fictional show and not technically real life), why doesn't someone just report those football jerks and get their asses kicked out of school? I find it hard to believe that even in a fictional school kids like that can be allowed to just roam the halls and terrorize anyone they want to.

Well to be fair, is the "terrorizing" that serious as it is portrayed in this show? There are tons of threats to beat people up, but no one is walking around with bruises or black eyes. They just get thrown into dumpsters.

Now, even though they play sports, we have established the football team sucks. So it's not like the school board is going to go out of their way to protect those guys.

It is a little over-the-top, but just look at Sue. She's one of the biggest bullies on the show, and we just laugh. The bullies are portrayed as obnoxious cavemen, and not the funny Geico kind.

I never saw that moment as being about anything but his relationship with his father. I thought that was the whole point of the storyline. The confusion that comes from being gay and being attracted to a straight guy, yet being jealous because the one person the straight guy is bonding with is your father, whom you've never had a great friendship with.

For the people complaining about Kurt, do you get really creeped out if a girl you're not into is obviously attracted to you? I find it flattering and just go about my business.

I also don't think this was a misstep by the writers. Obviously there's a lot of debate about it. Maybe they wanted people to have this conversation.

And the confusion here is what the conversation is really about. Finn, from the beginning, has always been kind to and a protector of Kurt and the rest of the geeks. I was maybe the only person who thought Kurt's maneuvers were funny and very much in line with all the other stuff that goes on around him (Sue and Shelby and Teri and Eve and Quinn).

I also think Finn's character has been under a whole lot of stress and the scene where he blew up at Kurt was actually a symptom of his losing Quinn, his virginity, his friendship with Puck, his Dad, etc.; it really wasn't about gay stuff.

But the writers used the scene as a soapbox (and good for them), but it divided the audience on what was actually going on. And I think it was at the expense of all the good will they've built up around Kurt's character.

If she started manipulating our parents to be closer I think anyone would be creeped out.


The handling of Kurt and his storyline have always received positive comments here on dvdtalk from some of the same folks now complaining. I think they have some valid points because even if Finn was Gay, Kurt's actions would still be stalker-ish and creepy.

I think the one difference here is that Santana's actions (or Quinn's, etc.) were portrayed as 'villainous' actions and so were accepted as such, whereas in Kurt's situation the writers seem to paint him *ultimately* as the wronged individual. We were allowed to share Finn's anger at Quinn over her betrayal, but with Kurt and Finn the writers set up Finn to ultimately come off as the bad guy in that scene simply by throwing in the 'f' word in there.