Report: NBC to Cancel LENO?
01-18-10 | 07:32 PM
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Wait, what? What part of Jay declaring his retirement and doing a final show didn't you understand?
01-18-10 | 07:43 PM
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Re: Report: NBC to Cancel LENO?
I love how the prestigious Tonight Show is better in the hands of a guy who's two signature bits are asking people questions on the street and laughing at thier bad answers and reading newspaper flubs sent in by viewers
01-18-10 | 08:18 PM
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Re: Report: NBC to Cancel LENO?
Here's a question nobody asked on this message thread: how come NBC didn't offer some sort of "golden parachute" retirement package for Jay Leno to leave NBC? Leno hosted The Tonight Show for 17 years and I think given that his forté is still stand-up comedy, he could get a very lucrative "retirement package" and return to doing stand-up comedy full-time, earning as much as US$600,000 per week at the biggest Las Vegas and Atlantic City casinos and US$200,000 to US$300,000 per week elsewhere?
01-18-10 | 08:22 PM
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I assume you mean some time last year. They're reacting blindly to the affiliates right now. Affiliates love Jay. He gladhands them.
Last year, they had this brilliant idea for the 10 PM show. That's why they didn't give him that sort of package. Zucker the genius had decided that NBC would get ahead big time by only having 2 hours of real primetime programming per night. They wanted the fake hour from 8 until 9, but that didn't suit Chins. They caved and gave him control of what audience the local news gets. Brilliant.
Last year, they had this brilliant idea for the 10 PM show. That's why they didn't give him that sort of package. Zucker the genius had decided that NBC would get ahead big time by only having 2 hours of real primetime programming per night. They wanted the fake hour from 8 until 9, but that didn't suit Chins. They caved and gave him control of what audience the local news gets. Brilliant.
01-18-10 | 08:27 PM
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Re: Report: NBC to Cancel LENO?
01-18-10 | 08:28 PM
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Re: Report: NBC to Cancel LENO?
Jay Leno addressed the NBC late night situation on the Jan. 18 The Jay Leno Show, saying he has no animosity towards Conan O'Brien and that the situation could finally be resolved by Tuesday.
Following is a transcript of Leno's comments, sent to journalists by NBC on Monday evening.
I thought maybe I should address this. At least give you my view of what has been going on here at NBC. Oh, let's start in 2004. 2004 I'm sitting in my office, an NBC executive comes in and says to me, listen, Conan O'Brien has gotten offers from other networks. We don't want him to go, so we're going to give him ‘The Tonight Show.' I said, ‘well, I've been number one for 12 years.' They said, ‘we know that, but we don't think you can sustain that.' I said, ‘okay. How about until I fall to number two, then you fire me?' ‘No, we made this decision.' I said, ‘that's fine.' Don't blame Conan O'Brien. Nice guy, good family guy, great guy. He and I have talked and not a problem since then. That's what managers and people do, they try to get something for their clients. I said, ‘I'll retire just to avoid what happened the last time.' Okay.
So time goes by and we stay number one up until the day we leave. We hand - (applause)-No, no. Okay, but I'm leaving before my contract is out. About six to eight months early. So before I could go anywhere else, I would be at least a year or 18 months before I could go and do a show somewhere else. I said to NBC, ‘would you release me from my contract.' They said, ‘we want to keep you here.' Okay. What are your ideas? They said, ‘how about primetime?' I said, ‘that will never work.' No, no, we want to put you on at 10:00. We have done focus groups. People will love you at 10:00. Look at these studies showing Jay's chin at 10:00. People will go crazy. Didn't seem like a good idea at the time. I said, ‘alright, can I keep my staff?' There are 175 people that work here. I said, ‘can I keep my staff?' Yes, you can. Let's try it. We guarantee you two years on the air, guaranteed. Now for the first four or five months against original shows like "CSI" you'll get killed, but in the spring and summer when the reruns come, that's when you'll pick up. Okay, great. I agree to that.
Four months go by, we don't make it. Meanwhile, Conan's show during the summer, we're not on, was not doing well. The great hope was that we would help him. Well, we didn't help him any, okay. They come and go, ‘this show isn't working. We want to let you go.' Can you let me out of my contract? No, you're still a valuable asset to this company. How valuable can I be? You fired me twice. How valuable can I be? Okay. So then, the affiliates are not happy. The affiliates are the ones that own the TV stations. They're the ones that sort of makes the decisions, they're not happy with your performance and Conan is not doing well at 11:30. I said, ‘what's your idea?' They said, ‘well, look, how about you do a half hour show at 11:30?' Now, where I come from, when your boss gives you a job and you don't do it well, I think we did a good job here, but we didn't' get the ratings, so you get humbled. I said, ‘okay, I'm not crazy about doing a half hour, but okay. What do you want to do with Conan?' We'll put him on at midnight, or 12:05, keeps "The Tonight Show" does all that, he gets the whole hour. I said, okay. You think Conan will go for that? Yes, yes. (laughter) Almost guarantee you. I said okay. Shake hands, that's it. I don't have a manager, I don't have an agent, that's my handshake deal.
Next thing I see Conan has a story in the paper saying he doesn't want to do that. They come back to me and they say if he decides to walk and doesn't want to do it, do you want the show back? I go, ‘yeah, I'll take the show back. If that's what he wants to do. This way, we keep our people working, fine.' So that's pretty much where we are. It looks like we might be back at 11:30, I'm not sure. I don't know. (applause) I don't know. But through all of this - through all of this, Conan O'Brien has been a gentleman. He's a good guy. I have no animosity towards him. This is all business. If you don't get the ratings, they take you off the air. I think you know this town, you can do almost anything. You get ratings they keep you. I don't get ratings, he wants. That was NBC's solution. It didn't work so we might have an answer for you tomorrow. So, we'll see. That's basically where it is.
Following is a transcript of Leno's comments, sent to journalists by NBC on Monday evening.
I thought maybe I should address this. At least give you my view of what has been going on here at NBC. Oh, let's start in 2004. 2004 I'm sitting in my office, an NBC executive comes in and says to me, listen, Conan O'Brien has gotten offers from other networks. We don't want him to go, so we're going to give him ‘The Tonight Show.' I said, ‘well, I've been number one for 12 years.' They said, ‘we know that, but we don't think you can sustain that.' I said, ‘okay. How about until I fall to number two, then you fire me?' ‘No, we made this decision.' I said, ‘that's fine.' Don't blame Conan O'Brien. Nice guy, good family guy, great guy. He and I have talked and not a problem since then. That's what managers and people do, they try to get something for their clients. I said, ‘I'll retire just to avoid what happened the last time.' Okay.
So time goes by and we stay number one up until the day we leave. We hand - (applause)-No, no. Okay, but I'm leaving before my contract is out. About six to eight months early. So before I could go anywhere else, I would be at least a year or 18 months before I could go and do a show somewhere else. I said to NBC, ‘would you release me from my contract.' They said, ‘we want to keep you here.' Okay. What are your ideas? They said, ‘how about primetime?' I said, ‘that will never work.' No, no, we want to put you on at 10:00. We have done focus groups. People will love you at 10:00. Look at these studies showing Jay's chin at 10:00. People will go crazy. Didn't seem like a good idea at the time. I said, ‘alright, can I keep my staff?' There are 175 people that work here. I said, ‘can I keep my staff?' Yes, you can. Let's try it. We guarantee you two years on the air, guaranteed. Now for the first four or five months against original shows like "CSI" you'll get killed, but in the spring and summer when the reruns come, that's when you'll pick up. Okay, great. I agree to that.
Four months go by, we don't make it. Meanwhile, Conan's show during the summer, we're not on, was not doing well. The great hope was that we would help him. Well, we didn't help him any, okay. They come and go, ‘this show isn't working. We want to let you go.' Can you let me out of my contract? No, you're still a valuable asset to this company. How valuable can I be? You fired me twice. How valuable can I be? Okay. So then, the affiliates are not happy. The affiliates are the ones that own the TV stations. They're the ones that sort of makes the decisions, they're not happy with your performance and Conan is not doing well at 11:30. I said, ‘what's your idea?' They said, ‘well, look, how about you do a half hour show at 11:30?' Now, where I come from, when your boss gives you a job and you don't do it well, I think we did a good job here, but we didn't' get the ratings, so you get humbled. I said, ‘okay, I'm not crazy about doing a half hour, but okay. What do you want to do with Conan?' We'll put him on at midnight, or 12:05, keeps "The Tonight Show" does all that, he gets the whole hour. I said, okay. You think Conan will go for that? Yes, yes. (laughter) Almost guarantee you. I said okay. Shake hands, that's it. I don't have a manager, I don't have an agent, that's my handshake deal.
Next thing I see Conan has a story in the paper saying he doesn't want to do that. They come back to me and they say if he decides to walk and doesn't want to do it, do you want the show back? I go, ‘yeah, I'll take the show back. If that's what he wants to do. This way, we keep our people working, fine.' So that's pretty much where we are. It looks like we might be back at 11:30, I'm not sure. I don't know. (applause) I don't know. But through all of this - through all of this, Conan O'Brien has been a gentleman. He's a good guy. I have no animosity towards him. This is all business. If you don't get the ratings, they take you off the air. I think you know this town, you can do almost anything. You get ratings they keep you. I don't get ratings, he wants. That was NBC's solution. It didn't work so we might have an answer for you tomorrow. So, we'll see. That's basically where it is.
01-18-10 | 08:45 PM
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Re: Report: NBC to Cancel LENO?
Jay Leno addressed the NBC late night situation on the Jan. 18 The Jay Leno Show, saying he has no animosity towards Conan O'Brien and that the situation could finally be resolved by Tuesday.
Following is a transcript of Leno's comments, sent to journalists by NBC on Monday evening.
I thought maybe I should address this. At least give you my view of what has been going on here at NBC. Oh, let's start in 2004. 2004 I'm sitting in my office, an NBC executive comes in and says to me, listen, Conan O'Brien has gotten offers from other networks. We don't want him to go, so we're going to give him ‘The Tonight Show.' I said, ‘well, I've been number one for 12 years.' They said, ‘we know that, but we don't think you can sustain that.' I said, ‘okay. How about until I fall to number two, then you fire me?' ‘No, we made this decision.' I said, ‘that's fine.' Don't blame Conan O'Brien. Nice guy, good family guy, great guy. He and I have talked and not a problem since then. That's what managers and people do, they try to get something for their clients. I said, ‘I'll retire just to avoid what happened the last time.' Okay.
So time goes by and we stay number one up until the day we leave. We hand - (applause)-No, no. Okay, but I'm leaving before my contract is out. About six to eight months early. So before I could go anywhere else, I would be at least a year or 18 months before I could go and do a show somewhere else. I said to NBC, ‘would you release me from my contract.' They said, ‘we want to keep you here.' Okay. What are your ideas? They said, ‘how about primetime?' I said, ‘that will never work.' No, no, we want to put you on at 10:00. We have done focus groups. People will love you at 10:00. Look at these studies showing Jay's chin at 10:00. People will go crazy. Didn't seem like a good idea at the time. I said, ‘alright, can I keep my staff?' There are 175 people that work here. I said, ‘can I keep my staff?' Yes, you can. Let's try it. We guarantee you two years on the air, guaranteed. Now for the first four or five months against original shows like "CSI" you'll get killed, but in the spring and summer when the reruns come, that's when you'll pick up. Okay, great. I agree to that.
Four months go by, we don't make it. Meanwhile, Conan's show during the summer, we're not on, was not doing well. The great hope was that we would help him. Well, we didn't help him any, okay. They come and go, ‘this show isn't working. We want to let you go.' Can you let me out of my contract? No, you're still a valuable asset to this company. How valuable can I be? You fired me twice. How valuable can I be? Okay. So then, the affiliates are not happy. The affiliates are the ones that own the TV stations. They're the ones that sort of makes the decisions, they're not happy with your performance and Conan is not doing well at 11:30. I said, ‘what's your idea?' They said, ‘well, look, how about you do a half hour show at 11:30?' Now, where I come from, when your boss gives you a job and you don't do it well, I think we did a good job here, but we didn't' get the ratings, so you get humbled. I said, ‘okay, I'm not crazy about doing a half hour, but okay. What do you want to do with Conan?' We'll put him on at midnight, or 12:05, keeps "The Tonight Show" does all that, he gets the whole hour. I said, okay. You think Conan will go for that? Yes, yes. (laughter) Almost guarantee you. I said okay. Shake hands, that's it. I don't have a manager, I don't have an agent, that's my handshake deal.
Next thing I see Conan has a story in the paper saying he doesn't want to do that. They come back to me and they say if he decides to walk and doesn't want to do it, do you want the show back? I go, ‘yeah, I'll take the show back. If that's what he wants to do. This way, we keep our people working, fine.' So that's pretty much where we are. It looks like we might be back at 11:30, I'm not sure. I don't know. (applause) I don't know. But through all of this - through all of this, Conan O'Brien has been a gentleman. He's a good guy. I have no animosity towards him. This is all business. If you don't get the ratings, they take you off the air. I think you know this town, you can do almost anything. You get ratings they keep you. I don't get ratings, he wants. That was NBC's solution. It didn't work so we might have an answer for you tomorrow. So, we'll see. That's basically where it is.
Following is a transcript of Leno's comments, sent to journalists by NBC on Monday evening.
I thought maybe I should address this. At least give you my view of what has been going on here at NBC. Oh, let's start in 2004. 2004 I'm sitting in my office, an NBC executive comes in and says to me, listen, Conan O'Brien has gotten offers from other networks. We don't want him to go, so we're going to give him ‘The Tonight Show.' I said, ‘well, I've been number one for 12 years.' They said, ‘we know that, but we don't think you can sustain that.' I said, ‘okay. How about until I fall to number two, then you fire me?' ‘No, we made this decision.' I said, ‘that's fine.' Don't blame Conan O'Brien. Nice guy, good family guy, great guy. He and I have talked and not a problem since then. That's what managers and people do, they try to get something for their clients. I said, ‘I'll retire just to avoid what happened the last time.' Okay.
So time goes by and we stay number one up until the day we leave. We hand - (applause)-No, no. Okay, but I'm leaving before my contract is out. About six to eight months early. So before I could go anywhere else, I would be at least a year or 18 months before I could go and do a show somewhere else. I said to NBC, ‘would you release me from my contract.' They said, ‘we want to keep you here.' Okay. What are your ideas? They said, ‘how about primetime?' I said, ‘that will never work.' No, no, we want to put you on at 10:00. We have done focus groups. People will love you at 10:00. Look at these studies showing Jay's chin at 10:00. People will go crazy. Didn't seem like a good idea at the time. I said, ‘alright, can I keep my staff?' There are 175 people that work here. I said, ‘can I keep my staff?' Yes, you can. Let's try it. We guarantee you two years on the air, guaranteed. Now for the first four or five months against original shows like "CSI" you'll get killed, but in the spring and summer when the reruns come, that's when you'll pick up. Okay, great. I agree to that.
Four months go by, we don't make it. Meanwhile, Conan's show during the summer, we're not on, was not doing well. The great hope was that we would help him. Well, we didn't help him any, okay. They come and go, ‘this show isn't working. We want to let you go.' Can you let me out of my contract? No, you're still a valuable asset to this company. How valuable can I be? You fired me twice. How valuable can I be? Okay. So then, the affiliates are not happy. The affiliates are the ones that own the TV stations. They're the ones that sort of makes the decisions, they're not happy with your performance and Conan is not doing well at 11:30. I said, ‘what's your idea?' They said, ‘well, look, how about you do a half hour show at 11:30?' Now, where I come from, when your boss gives you a job and you don't do it well, I think we did a good job here, but we didn't' get the ratings, so you get humbled. I said, ‘okay, I'm not crazy about doing a half hour, but okay. What do you want to do with Conan?' We'll put him on at midnight, or 12:05, keeps "The Tonight Show" does all that, he gets the whole hour. I said, okay. You think Conan will go for that? Yes, yes. (laughter) Almost guarantee you. I said okay. Shake hands, that's it. I don't have a manager, I don't have an agent, that's my handshake deal.
Next thing I see Conan has a story in the paper saying he doesn't want to do that. They come back to me and they say if he decides to walk and doesn't want to do it, do you want the show back? I go, ‘yeah, I'll take the show back. If that's what he wants to do. This way, we keep our people working, fine.' So that's pretty much where we are. It looks like we might be back at 11:30, I'm not sure. I don't know. (applause) I don't know. But through all of this - through all of this, Conan O'Brien has been a gentleman. He's a good guy. I have no animosity towards him. This is all business. If you don't get the ratings, they take you off the air. I think you know this town, you can do almost anything. You get ratings they keep you. I don't get ratings, he wants. That was NBC's solution. It didn't work so we might have an answer for you tomorrow. So, we'll see. That's basically where it is.
01-18-10 | 08:47 PM
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I assume you mean some time last year. They're reacting blindly to the affiliates right now. Affiliates love Jay. He gladhands them.
Last year, they had this brilliant idea for the 10 PM show. That's why they didn't give him that sort of package. Zucker the genius had decided that NBC would get ahead big time by only having 2 hours of real primetime programming per night. They wanted the fake hour from 8 until 9, but that didn't suit Chins. They caved and gave him control of what audience the local news gets. Brilliant.
Last year, they had this brilliant idea for the 10 PM show. That's why they didn't give him that sort of package. Zucker the genius had decided that NBC would get ahead big time by only having 2 hours of real primetime programming per night. They wanted the fake hour from 8 until 9, but that didn't suit Chins. They caved and gave him control of what audience the local news gets. Brilliant.
So The Jay Leno Show airing M-F at 10 pm was NBC's only option, or else let Jay go to ABC or FOX, or let him keep The Tonight Show and dump Conan completely.
01-18-10 | 08:54 PM
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Re: Report: NBC to Cancel LENO?
Jay Leno is such a nice guy.
He's been the #1 host in late night for over a decade.
His show has made a fortune for NBC.
He has made more money than most people could ever dream of having.
But he would never make a demand or a threat.
He just does whatever NBC asks him to do, and makes all his deals with a handshake.
He's been the #1 host in late night for over a decade.
His show has made a fortune for NBC.
He has made more money than most people could ever dream of having.
But he would never make a demand or a threat.
He just does whatever NBC asks him to do, and makes all his deals with a handshake.
01-18-10 | 09:05 PM
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Re: Report: NBC to Cancel LENO?
So time goes by and we stay number one up until the day we leave. We hand - (applause)-No, no. Okay, but I'm leaving before my contract is out. About six to eight months early. So before I could go anywhere else, I would be at least a year or 18 months before I could go and do a show somewhere else. I said to NBC, ‘would you release me from my contract.' They said, ‘we want to keep you here.' Okay. What are your ideas? They said, ‘how about primetime?' I said, ‘that will never work.' No, no, we want to put you on at 10:00. We have done focus groups. People will love you at 10:00. Look at these studies showing Jay's chin at 10:00. People will go crazy. Didn't seem like a good idea at the time. I said, ‘alright, can I keep my staff?' There are 175 people that work here. I said, ‘can I keep my staff?' Yes, you can. Let's try it. We guarantee you two years on the air, guaranteed. Now for the first four or five months against original shows like "CSI" you'll get killed, but in the spring and summer when the reruns come, that's when you'll pick up. Okay, great. I agree to that.
And then NBC said, "Any way we can keep you here?" They suggested doing half an hour every night at 8. I said, "Old white guy, not particularly handsome — nobody is going to watch that at 8, OK?" You need other elements — a half-hour of monologue is not enough.
But then I decided to look at the landscape, and I realized there hasn't really been a successful 10:00 show launched in probably five or six or seven years. CSI and Law & Order — those are all good shows, and they do very well, but any new ones that come in just fall by the wayside. And 10 seemed to be turning into the new 11:30. Even people in their 20s go, "Oh, man, I can't stay up till 12 anymore. I gotta get up. I carpool, and I'm working two jobs." So I said, "Well, how about 10? We'll try and do something different from what The Tonight Show is. Whatever you want to pay me is fine."
But then I decided to look at the landscape, and I realized there hasn't really been a successful 10:00 show launched in probably five or six or seven years. CSI and Law & Order — those are all good shows, and they do very well, but any new ones that come in just fall by the wayside. And 10 seemed to be turning into the new 11:30. Even people in their 20s go, "Oh, man, I can't stay up till 12 anymore. I gotta get up. I carpool, and I'm working two jobs." So I said, "Well, how about 10? We'll try and do something different from what The Tonight Show is. Whatever you want to pay me is fine."
01-18-10 | 09:21 PM
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Re: Report: NBC to Cancel LENO?
And the obvious unanswered question which would shoot a hole into this BS... He claims he thought the 10 show would do terrible (putting aside the hilarious quote where Jay contradicts himself completely)... why agree to do it? Why not just say "No"? Why not just walk away, if he truly believes it is a bad idea? We're really to believe he took the job to keep his staff employed? It makes no sense as he originally decided to retire, so his staff would've had to have moved on anyway (apparently he wasn't too worried about that back then). And he "reluctantly" agreed to do the 11:35 30min show... is Jay seriously that out of touch with reality and think people believe that shit?
I also love the shot he takes at Conan (indirectly of course)... his ratings were crap in the summer when Jay wasn't on... so in other words, don't blame me for a shitty lead-in. It's also rich that his version of the events is "sure I'll take back the show. If that's what he wants to do. This way, we keep our people working" (Again it's all about Jay the common man, taking one for the team, to keep his people employed). He's also under the delusion that the 10pm show was good, it just didn't get the ratings? Are you kidding me?
Wow, sure must be nice in Jay Leno world.
I also love the shot he takes at Conan (indirectly of course)... his ratings were crap in the summer when Jay wasn't on... so in other words, don't blame me for a shitty lead-in. It's also rich that his version of the events is "sure I'll take back the show. If that's what he wants to do. This way, we keep our people working" (Again it's all about Jay the common man, taking one for the team, to keep his people employed). He's also under the delusion that the 10pm show was good, it just didn't get the ratings? Are you kidding me?
Wow, sure must be nice in Jay Leno world.
01-18-10 | 09:23 PM
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It sucks that Jay Leno doesn't have a crrazzy manager to blame all this shit on anymore. I don't believe a word of it. Fuck him.
01-18-10 | 09:23 PM
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Re: Report: NBC to Cancel LENO?
Plus how does Jay justify the fact that the event that pushed Jay over the top, The Hugh Grant Hooker Interview, would never be available to Conan in todays environment, as Jay would snake that interview for the 10 oclock show
01-18-10 | 09:24 PM
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Re: Report: NBC to Cancel LENO?
01-18-10 | 09:57 PM
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01-18-10 | 09:59 PM
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Another tear-down of events using Leno's words against him. Copied below for posterity.
http://www.therestrainingorder.com/?p=2250
http://www.therestrainingorder.com/?p=2250
Spoiler:
01-18-10 | 10:10 PM
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Dave's second-to-last appearance on Carson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5WarA5xnNE
Carson: "So, Dave, how pissed off are you?"
Carson: "So, Dave, how pissed off are you?"
01-18-10 | 10:34 PM
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Zucker's on Charlie Rose tonight.
ABC is rerunning last week's Kimmel as Leno
ABC is rerunning last week's Kimmel as Leno
01-18-10 | 10:43 PM
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