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At $2-3 MILLION each? :lol:

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I tried watching the pilot of Trauma and thought I was watching a Die Hard movie. I just looked up Cliff Curtis and realized that he was in the last Die Hard. I'm not a fan of his work.

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Wouldn't that seem to be a better plan than just outright canceling it and losing all the money they've invested in the 6 episodes so far? Invest a little more and potentially recoup much of what they spent. Seems like a smart move, which is exactly why they wouldn't do it.

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I thought the article was referring to Trauma when that price tag was mentioned.

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You know If I were John Wells and WB TV, I wouldn't let the fuckers at NBC touch these produced episodes for some thankless Saturday burnoff let alone Hulu burnoff. I would do everything I can to find a new cable home for the show and offer these episodes at a discount. And if the network agrees to buy the show, then make budget cuts if needed.

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Could be because they finished 6 episodes, and if they waited until some of Southland aired, they would likely already be done with the remaining 13 episodes and be stuck with another $12-15 million in wasted money. At this point, either a cable network will pick it up (its been shopping around all week from what I just heard) or you might see the eventual DVD release. Hell, even DirecTV could pick it up for the full 'series' and run it along with FNL. Shit, that's a fantastic idea!

Trauma is more expensive to make than Southland, but Southland also had names attached to it which causes its price to go up more. Its why The Forgotten (Jerry Bruckheimer show with Christian Slater) will be canned before Castle - because Castle is hella cheaper.

Don't forget - Day One was also trimmed down as well - they know its a failure. Chuck is the only thing that might survive from the BS days simply because Subway invested heavily in the show. It's also a fan favorite while Southland isn't.

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yeah, looks that way. i doubt southland costs that much. it's like guerilla style camera work and there isn't big talent.

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Already being done as we speak. The high pricetag for each episode hurts though - they would have to cut by at least 50%. This title would likely not even sell 50,000k DVD units, so WBs best bet at recouping is by selling the rights to another network for an exclusive run.

Wonder if these 6 eps were tied to not picking up that show several months ago (can't remember...David E Kelly one).

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I find it funny that NBC shoots 6 episode's, doesn't run a one of them, and cans the show because it's too "dark". Finish up the season with 10-13 episodes and run it on USA or TNT where it has a chance to find a fan base like others have said. Hell, even see if A&E would want to run it since there ending The Cleaner. Leno pretty much is the reason why NBC is going down the tubes. Leno was their big bet that putting him on at 10pm was going to bring back big ratings and it didn't happen. They put all their eggs into his basket and wasted the rest on half ass shows like Trauma and Mercy, or the un-funny Parks & Rec and Community, where even Chevy Chase isn't even a saving grace. Sorry but I give it another year and if NBC doesn't do something fast, their going to be done for.

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This show was always going to fail.

Dark, gritty don't work on network TV.

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Right, and shows with a network TV budget don't get shifted over to cable (for those bemoaning that part).

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Some interesting ideas I've thought of based on the discussion in here. Is it possible that we could eventually see content providers become content sponsors in full? What if DTV eventually builds it's programming to become something like TNT, USA and FX? That would be an interesting concept, although I don't see Cox, AT&T, Verizon and Comcast jumping on that wagon.

Also, I know the big 3 tend to wane with whose ahead of who, but I'm left wondering if we could potentially see the collapse of one of the big 3. Yes, NBC.

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NBC collapse? Doubtful. NBC may fail and emerge under Comcast (or somebody else) as the first of the new networks. They are the most vunerable, but so was Ford. Ford went first and got a lot of advantages due to nothing but fortunate timing. That is what I'm smelling with NBC. If you pay attention to the ratings this year, they're weakening all around. They're all going to have to remake themselves into something different, and NBC will probably be going first.

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NBC has the best lineup by far. I don't see them failing.

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What did you think before you became a VP in the programming department? :p

Seriously, I watch a lot of NBC myself. It seems we're in the minority, though.

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Sad, sad, sad. This is a way to run a network?

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Network TV will never compete with cable with thinking like this. Pathetic.

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I'd only seen the show once and didn't care much for it, but until the FCC stops handcuffing the networks by "protecting" the viewers using archaic standards, there's just not going to be a lot that they can do to compete with cable.

It's just as well as the lines between cable and network television blur in lots of ways. I still remember when I was a kid and cable was nothing more than a dumping ground for reruns from the networks.

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NBC is laughable. I don't watch ONE primetime show on NBC right now.

I still can't believe that piece of shite Heroes is still on their channel. And I was a fan of the first season.

I might be nuts... but the best thing on their network right now is Jimmy Fallon. :)

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It's one thing to cancel a show because of low ratings, low 18-49 demo figures or even ridiculous production costs. But, to cancel the show because you deem the content too dark and to not even give it a chance to air is flat out idiotic.

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We are talking about NBC so are you really that surprised about their move?

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As much as I want them to cancel the Leno show, I know they won't since it's still much cheaper to make than all of the shows that they would have to schedule on the 10pm timeslots. Plus is still getting some decent ratings for them.

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I never watched the show, because I assumed it was Shield-lite, but this is another stupid NBC move. Currently all I watch on there is The Office, 30 Rock, and Chuck. Cable shows ftw!

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I don't believe "big ratings" were the plan. Considering quite a few of their shows pull 5 - 6m, Leno is pulling pretty solid ratings for them. The big thing about Leno was: It's cheap. A few years ago it was said NBC wanted to go all reality - cheap, unscripted vs. expensive scripted. They're almost there.

Soon the line-up will be:
The Biggest Loser followed by Jay Leno

5 days a week. Awesome.

His lines in the advertising for Trauma made sure I didn't tune in. it grated on my nerves.

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Yeah, you're SO right. (looking at my season passes)I'm watching... Heroes. I'm watching The Office (and 30 Rock upon its return) on Hulu. It seems I was watching every other thing on NBC last season... Damn. -ohbfrank-