Bryan Fuller leaves HEROES ...again
 

This doesn't bode well for the coming season ....

"<i>This just in: Bryan Fuller exits 'Heroes'
Jun 22, 2009, 04:50 PM | by Michael Ausiello

Categories: Heroes, News

Just as Heroes was gaining some creative momentum comes word of another setback: Bryan Fuller has vacated his post as consulting producer.

The acclaimed Pushing Daisies auteur tells me that he left to focus on developing new projects for NBC, and not (as some have speculated) due to creative differences with series creator Tim Kring.

"I'm crafting two pilots right now and it's a lot of work," admits Fuller, who has an overall deal with NBC. "It was just too hard to [juggle] Heroes and my development; something had to give."

Fuller's exit was first reported by Herc at Ain't It Cool News.

Fuller returned to Heroes last December, shortly after ABC dropped the ax on Daisies. Many (yours truly included) credited him with the show's end-of-season creative rebirth.</i>"


Can they survive another season?

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Well, I may drop this series for good now. I stuck with them through the good, the bad and the ugly...but finally got hope again once the Bryan Fuller episodes aired at the end of the season. The direction and writing was clearly improved (though still flawed, it was MUCH better).

Without him on board, I see this show going down the drain again. Really, with only so many hours in my day, I just don't think it'll be worth my time anymore. :(

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I'm afraid I may have to agree with you. I thought Fuller was going to develop a new show AND do Heroes. That he decided to dump that and try for a second series for NBC is just silly. I mean it IS NBC after all.

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I think everyone needs to stop thinking of Fuller as the all-mighty savior of Heroes. The show is such a mess and even the episodes he worked on after he came back sucked.

Let him create something new and interesting and let this show die...

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It's not like he did any better with ABC either.

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poop

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Fuller gave us exactly one good episode once he came back, the rest was just the same dreck we'd seen though out the season.

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I have 16 episodes sitting on my tivo waiting to be watched and I just can't work up the interest to invest the time. Rerun's of Top Gear and Dirty Jobs usually trump Heroes.

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Yeah let him create two great, new shows that end up getting cancelled like Pushing Daisies!

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I don't think Fuller leaving will make a bit of difference. :lol: Everyone was all stoked to see him back and I swear the show got worse.

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What he said. That one episode got me excited, and then the next two were crap again and I gave up on the show and stopped watching.

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I never once bought into that hype wagon. So I was not surprised that the final few episodes of season 3 weren't magically better by his presence. He may be talented, but no one is that good.

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Everybody praised the episode he wrote, but who knows what happened with the rest of the episodes after that. He was just a "consulting producer" so maybe Kring didn't like the direction Bryan was taking the show and put a stop to it. Kring did write the finale and it was pretty bad. I would like to see Bryan take full control of the show and hand pick the writers, then see what happens. But I guess that won't happen.

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Well I don't even know if I watched any of the Fuller episodes. I bailed sometime in the current season, and have not looked back.

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Yeah, I didn't notice any great return in quality at the end of the season.

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This.

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Right. The word going around is that Kring wouldn't let Fuller do his job. I think it's pretty reasonable that Fuller would rather succeed or fail on his own terms rather than be doomed to failure on someone else's. I don't know if Heroes is salvageable at this point.

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This was me a month ago. I decided it was done for me and deleted them.

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I agree with this. He was really only a major part of the Claire/HRG stories in season one as I understand it, anyway. He was a part of the show being good at first, but he wasn't the driving force. I attribute the initial success to just how easily somebody can build a promising start for a show when riffing on a mutant comic remix cocktail. The bitch is continuing that story for the long haul.

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They weren't great, but they were distinctly improved from the shows before his return. At least they had coherent storylines and the direction was more dramatic. I mean, you could actually tell which episode started with Fuller again--it was THAT different.

But, yes, I agree that it still wasn't a great. And I also agree that it's time for it to be put out of its misery.

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Well, S4 may survive the loss of Fuller, because according to Greg Grunberg's twitter:

And BTW, the scripts for Season 4 & the stories we're about to tell will ROCK YOUR WORLD. BEST. SEASON. EVER. Get ready!!

rotfl

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He's said that shit every year.

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It isn't.

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Are they re-making season 1 without Mohinder?

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Exactly...

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Mohinder in S1 was not that bad...S2 and S3 though...holy shit.

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Something to read if you're at work and bored: http://nickctv.wordpress.com/2009/06...ler-jump-ship/

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Yeah, Nick is pretty spot on with it since we were talking about it last week before he posted (and all the other bloggers caught wind of it) it up on his site. Funny to read Ausiello call Nick out on his blog when I and a handful of others knew about it late last week and was just waiting for him to post up the original article.

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Wow, excellent read. Sounds like Kring is a control freak. Someone who is higher on the totem pole than he should be.

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Not so great a read in my opinion. It doesn't seem like the 2 writers were any kind of "geniuses" who were stamped down by Kring. Lost is absolutely NOT a character driven show, so citing it as an example of good character work doesn't help the blogger.

Just seems like more speculation to me than any basis in inside knowledge. Personally, I think more than Kring was the problem with this show.

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Regarding Jeph Loeb... I think the guy is just burned out. All of his comic work as of late is pure shit. He needs to take time off and deal with his personal issues.

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Pick up a copy of "Ultimates 3" or "Ultimatum" for proof that Jeph Loeb really shouldn't be anywhere near superheroes anymore. :)

I don't agree with all the points in that blog, but pointing the blame squarely at Tim Kring seems to gel everything I've read elsewhere.

It's just fundamentally poor storytelling. Hardly anyone does anything of any significance, the show's eager to mash the reset button whenever it writes itself into a corner, inconsistent characterization bending to the will of the Plot-of-the-Week, suffering through stagnant pacing and then rushing to wrap things up in the last episode or two of each volume... There's just no sense of direction.

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Them dumping Kring is the only thing that could have saved this show.

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Oh I agree, he was fine in S1 but knowing how stupid his character became in S2/3 he'd be better off gone ;)

Nice read. I sure agree that Kring certainly is partly responsible for the constant resets and poorly written stories. I'd fire him on the spot. But now that pretty much everyone is gone, how can this be salvaged?

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I think the answer is it can't. I watch it (live) every week and while I will still tune in no matter who stupid the characters get or the reset button is pushed...its starting to get on my nerves. My favorite characters are now jokes. Such a disappointment. Luckily, if you watch via DVD/Blu, the season won't be as bad.

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Excellent read. Thank you.

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Yeah I watch it live too. I did like some of the "free for all" of S3, like the beginning with Angela lying to Sylar being her son and being good. I think that was volume 3. The last volume just felt like no one had a clue where to go. Meh. I think I'll start watching season 4 but I don't know if I'll last long.

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Maybe I'll buy S1 on BR one day and rewatch, but otherwise I doubt I'll ever revisit this show. I struggled through S2 (which did pick up a little at the end) and then came back for season 3. I think I gave up around 4 epsiodes in figuring I'd catch up. Now obviously I have now desire or reason to catch up let alone watch anything new.

P.S. - If you want a show with strong characters that is dramatic, funny, romantic and action packed watch Chuck. :) Season One Streaming: http://www.thewb.com/shows/chuck

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:lol: Nice plug! :up:

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Thank you. :) Whatever I can do to get more people on board by S3!!