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mrpayroll 03-16-09 01:28 PM

Re: ER - The Final 4 Episodes -- "Old Times" -- 03/12/09
 
Uh oh, Dr. Ross, looks like the jig is up!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...r=HOME_4868744


Did Hospital Kill Teen For His Organs?

Suit By His Parents Claims Harvesting Began Before He Was Dead; Hospital, Transplant Group Deny It

NEW YORK, March 16, 2009

(CBS) An Ohio couple whose teenage son was injured in a snowboarding accident has filed a lawsuit, claiming his doctors harvested his organs before he was declared dead.

Eighteen-year-old Gregory Jacobs, of Bellevue, Ohio, suffered a "closed head injury" two years ago while snowboarding on a high school-sponsored ski trip in Findley Lake, N.Y.

He was airlifted to Hamot Medical Center in northwestern Pennsylvania, where he died.

The suit, which was filed earlier this month, claims doctors and a representative of The Center Organ Recovery & Education (CORE), a group that helps hospitals procure donated tissue, caused Gregory's death by administering medication and by removing his breathing tube.

Michael and Teresa Jacobs also allege that their son had not been formally declared brain dead when surgeons began the transplant procedure.

Hamot and CORE deny any wrongdoing). Hamot says, "The care that Gregory received throughout his course of treatment at Hamot following the severe head trauma he sustained was timely, appropriate and well-documented. Proper consent was received in order for his organs to be donated and the protocols that were followed were consistent with all established donation procedures. Any claims otherwise are completely baseless. ... We will vigorously defend against any accusations of wrongdoing."

A statement from CORE reads in part, "As in all donation cases, CORE followed all regulated medical protocols in the case of the Gregory Jacobs. The allegations against CORE are baseless and untrue."

On The Early Show Monday, co-anchor Maggie Rodriguez remarked to Michael and Teresa that many people would find it "preposterous" that a hospital would intentionally kill a young man for his organs.

"Well, it's not," Michael said.

Asked why he believes it, Michael resplied, "Because they did. I know they did, by the evidence of that my wife has told me."

Teresa says, "The records indicated that they started harvesting procedures including the incision when he was alive. And he was not even pronounced dead until 29 minutes later. That's pretty shocking."

The Jabobs' attorney, Dennis Boyle added, "Our experts are telling us that, had his organs not been taken, he may very well have survived and recovered from this accident."

When Rodriguez noted that, "The hospital will tell you that they did everything on the up-and-up. ... They say Greg met the criteria for death technically."

"That simply is not the case," Boyle responded. "Even the hospital's own records show that he had brain stem function minutes before he was taken to the operating room to have his organs removed. He never met the criteria for brain dead. And, in fact, he never was dead or brain dead. You know, it is shocking, but I saw the hospital statements, and the only thing we can say is we're looking forward to going into court and presenting this evidence."

"To be fair," Rodriguez said, "I should say that the district attorney's investigation concluded that nothing criminal was done. The Center of Organ Recovery insists that they followed all the protocols. There seems to be, from all the investigations, no criminal liability. So why are you so strongly pursuing this?"

"Because," Teresa answered, "I believe that's false."

What does she hope will come of this?

"I would like to see the ones that are responsible for Greg's killing be held responsible," Teresa said.

Michael, who siged the consent form, recalled for Rodriguez that, "They tell you that your son's brain dead and that his organs can be used for children. It's a process that they use to convince you. When you feel there's no hope or you're told that there's just absolutely no hope and that he will be dead in so many hours, you know, I decided to sign the paper for organ donation. I signed that alone. My wife had no part of that."

Asked what message he has for other parents who may find themselves in that situation, Michael said simply, "Don't do it. No one -- I found this out after OKing that -- no human on Earth has the right to tell someone else they can take somebody's organs. No piece of paper should ever be allowed. If that person isn't a donor, isn't signed up to be a donor, there should be no question about it."

His voice cracking, Michael continued, "It wasn't my right to do that to my son."

"You sound like you're carrying this awful guilt with you," Rodriguez observed.

"I am," Michael said. "Every day."

"I'm so sorry," Rodriguez said.

"So am I," Michael replied.


© MMIX, CBS Interactive Inc.
Chris

lordwow 03-16-09 02:19 PM

Re: ER - The Final 4 Episodes -- "Old Times" -- 03/12/09
 
That's a kinda awkward argument that no one else except the brain dead person should be able to decide if they're an organ donor.

davidh777 03-16-09 02:34 PM

Re: ER - The Final 4 Episodes -- "Old Times" -- 03/12/09
 
Hathway would have known Carter better than Ross, probably

Charlie Goose 03-16-09 02:51 PM

Re: ER - The Final 4 Episodes -- "Old Times" -- 03/12/09
 
I was losing interest rapidly after Greene died, and stopped watching after they killed off Romano. Plus I hated most of the new cast members, some of which are still there. What's the deal with that red-haired guy? When I stopped watching, he was a shitty, whiny, pot-smoking doctor, now he's the main super-doc.

I've been catching some of it this season for the familiar faces, really enjoyed the reunion of Benton and Carter. To me, that relationship was always the strongest part of the show.

lordwow 03-16-09 03:10 PM

Re: ER - The Final 4 Episodes -- "Old Times" -- 03/12/09
 

Originally Posted by Charlie Goose (Post 9329614)
I was losing interest rapidly after Greene died, and stopped watching after they killed off Romano. Plus I hated most of the new cast members, some of which are still there. What's the deal with that red-haired guy? When I stopped watching, he was a shitty, whiny, pot-smoking doctor, now he's the main super-doc.

That was more or less his storyarc, going from being a little whiny bitch to being a great doctor that people look up to. Even Carter was really surprised (Carter's first episode back he stated "I guess you took my advice about setting the tone")

mikehunt 03-16-09 07:35 PM

Re: ER - The Final 4 Episodes -- "Old Times" -- 03/12/09
 

Originally Posted by mrpayroll (Post 9329427)
Uh oh, Dr. Ross, looks like the jig is up!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...r=HOME_4868744
Chris

they name Findley Lake but not Erie where the hospital is?
Findley Lake is barely a village, Erie on the other hand is a decent sized city. Other than Peek and Peak (which pretty much has to be where the kid got hurt) there's not much reason to ever go there

davidh777 03-16-09 09:36 PM

Re: ER - The Final 4 Episodes -- "Old Times" -- 03/12/09
 
Morris was a big pain but now I like the character

OldBoy 03-18-09 04:36 PM

Re: ER - The Final 4 Episodes -- "Old Times" -- 03/12/09
 
any returning guest stars on the 3/19 episode?

Kal-El 03-19-09 02:31 PM

Re: ER - The Final 4 Episodes -- "Old Times" -- 03/12/09
 
That was great. I didn't read any spoilers and I like that they reserved the cliche camera reveal for Hathaway and Doug just walks in the door. Nothing fancy. Door opens, Clooney walks in. Great stuff.

I too, thought that they were going to tie the Seattle docs to Carter in Chicago, but didn't mind too much that it didn't happen.

The Benton/Carter scenes were golden.

OldBoy 03-19-09 04:06 PM

Re: ER - The Final 4 Episodes -- "Old Times" -- 03/12/09
 
anyone know if there are any returning cast on tonight's episode? thanks.

Patman 03-19-09 06:05 PM

Re: ER - The Final 4 Episodes -- "Old Times" -- 03/12/09
 
The ads show that it's possible for
Spoiler:
Abby
to show up.

Michael Corvin 06-08-09 10:01 PM

Re: ER - The Final 4 Episodes -- "Old Times" -- 03/12/09
 

Originally Posted by creekdipper (Post 9327524)
Like others, we found ourselves amazed at how much more involved we were with the old characters. It's not just nostalgia or that we "liked' the old characters that much more...the acting/writing just seemed to ratchet up a notch.

I'm catching up(watched about 10 episodes in the past few days) and this episode was amazing. Creekdipper nailed it. It wasn't just the nostalgia, the characters just had so much more depth than the Grey's Anatomy wannabes and plot lines they've had the past few years. I was never a huge Ross & Hathaway fan, they were good but for my money Carter and Benton was where the real drama was and this episode delivered. Their chemistry hasn't changed a bit. It was still good seeing Doug & Carol though.

It sucks going on to watch the final episodes with the current cast. :lol: I want more Carter, Benton, Ross, & Carol to finish out the season. I do really enjoy Dr. Debenko though. He's the only entertaining Dr. on the show. Ironically he's the only character without a personal life. However, I have been enjoying Morris' new relationship with the cop.

Like everyone else, I faltered, as well, watching the show. I skipped all of last season, but hadn't missed an episode up to that point. This year has been excellent though. The Greene episode was top notch, as was the episode with Mortgenstern. Dr. Corday's cameo seemed largely wasted though.


Originally Posted by Charlie Goose (Post 9329614)
What's the deal with that red-haired guy? When I stopped watching, he was a shitty, whiny, pot-smoking doctor, now he's the main super-doc.

I doubt you'll see this since it's an old bump, but from what I've read Morris was never intended to be anything more than a short lived character. At some point they decided to expand his character and dropped all that nonsense and turned him into a real doc.


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