Burn Notice -- "Lesser Evil" -- Season 2 Finale -- 3/5/09
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Re: Burn Notice -- "Lesser Evil" -- Season 2 Finale -- 3/5/09
Carla made many references and reminded Michael multiple times during the show about going after his family and friends (even to the point of Michael sarcastically saying something to the effect, 'yeah I know, you'll go after my family and friends' when Carla confronted him on several occasions) - the writers seemed to keep harping on this fact and then (in my view) over-simplified it. Again, a minor point to an otherwise great finale, but something the writers could have handled better.
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Re: Burn Notice -- "Lesser Evil" -- Season 2 Finale -- 3/5/09
I wouldn't infer this... there have been plenty of lulls between the brother being on the show... is he out of town each time? or simply not part of the plot? I think you want to infer this, but please don't say "we" as if this is some sort of consensus viewpoint (or should be).
Again, for a man who seems to think 2-3 moves ahead, in my view it's hard to believe that the writers did not at least show that he considered the brother (or said why he didn't need to consider his brother's safety).
Realistic dialogue there.
Just spitballing here, but perhaps the Mom might know and he send Sam and the Mom to do it? or Fi? Or his arm dealer 'friend'?
Yet, despite the lack of time, they were prepped to take out the Mom,
had people sitting on the Client's 'unknown' safehouse,
attacked them at the warehouse the Client was being held at...
and apparently had no contingency to go after the brother?
Granted the Mom was seemingly the easiest target to get to Michael, but I would think the brother would be a plan B.
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Re: Burn Notice -- "Lesser Evil" -- Season 2 Finale -- 3/5/09
I thought this was a fantastic season ending and the show really took off this season. Ditching into the water at the end was a great way to leave it. Pretty cool that it's coming back in June as well. The only thing I had hoped was the killer turned partner made it and they became a tag team for a little while - they had a pretty good chemistry (of course that would not have worked plot-wise).
The cable stations are really putting the major broadcast networks to shame on programming lately.
The cable stations are really putting the major broadcast networks to shame on programming lately.
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Re: Burn Notice -- "Lesser Evil" -- Season 2 Finale -- 3/5/09
S: "Michael, what about your brother"
M: "He's already laying low"
Yeah, that would be completely unrealistic! And take up an inordinate amount of screen time! Sure, it's easy to make up unrealistic dialogue if that is your sole objective to defend your point of view. Clearly there were "realistic" ways they could have dealt with this. Or do you disagree? Making up silly and absurd dialogue in an attempt to back up your point is not helping your argument.
Let's just agree to disagree.
This statement shows me you just want to disagree... going after a person working for the US gov't (SAM) would be a better plan B to get at Michael then going after a screw-up brother whose death or disappearance could be explained (to others) a myriad of ways. Going after an explosives expert and marksman (Fi) would also be better than going after the brother? Come on...
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Re: Burn Notice -- "Lesser Evil" -- Season 2 Finale -- 3/5/09
Have you been watching this show? How often has laying low by going out of town come up?
M: "Sam, go take care of my Mom and make sure she gets out of town"
S: "Michael, what about your brother"
M: "He's already laying low. Did you hit your head a little too hard the last time you took a punch or something?"
S: "Michael, what about your brother"
M: "He's already laying low. Did you hit your head a little too hard the last time you took a punch or something?"
Did you want Sam to ask for directions to mom's house, too?
This statement shows me you just want to disagree... going after a person working for the US gov't (SAM)
As to Fi, she'd be the first one I tried to take out if I were after Michael, for precisely the reason we saw this episode.
Let's just agree to disagree.
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I just assumed that Carla had met Michael's brother and figured Michael would be more relieved than upset if he was taken out.
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Re: Burn Notice -- "Lesser Evil" -- Season 2 Finale -- 3/5/09
Thanks... when people resort to 'fixing quotes' without the obvious humor (and I'm not talking about the humor of the quote, but the intent as displayed in the sentence following it), it tells you all you need to know about the person. You are somehow equating Sam not knowing that Michael's brother is out of town(BTW - when did Michael tell Sam about this?), with knowing where his mother lives? (or are suggesting that me wanting to cover the brother's status is somehow as silly as Sam not knowing where his Mom lives?).
So apparently, mentioning something twice is stupid?
Or the writers considering that maybe some of the audience may have missed the one episode it was (possibly) brought up in?
Or the writers considering some may have forgotten it?
Or the writers considering that not everyone has JimmyJames inference skills or share his interpretation?
...so basically there was nothing wrong with what I suggested, you just had to twist it into absurdity (and somehow equate it to Sam asking for directions to Michael's Mom's house) to try to strengthen your argument... Your objection to the one line that you deemed needed to be fixed, is that it is too repetitive or implies audience stupidity on the order of Sam asking for directions to the Mom's house? What exactly is wrong with it? (that required you to edit it and then insult)
You are completely right going after a target who USED TO (my bad) work for the feds and who has a lot of fed buddies is obviously a much better and smarter target than a screw-up brother... thanks for setting me straight on that. Let's see.... going after a screwed-up family member, or potentially pissing off the feds and giving yourself a harder target. And trying to do this in a timely manner to avoid getting clipped yourself by the management team. Yeah I would definitely go after the person with training, lots of buddies, and if you happen to be successful would generate an even longer list of enemies.
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So taking a step back... it was lunacy for me to be critical that they did not mention the brother was safe during the show. As it was possibly covered once, several (?) shows ago, bringing it up again would be repetitive, unnecessary or somehow an insult to the intelligent folks watching the show? Having a character (it could have been anyone but the Mom) in the show remind the audience, who may not remember every detail or missed the one show it may have been inferred, or who are not willing to assume that the brother is even out of town (remember you are inferring this; it is not a given fact - you could be right or, gasp, wrong) is not that crazy and should not be equated to Sam needing directions to the Mom's house.
So apparently, mentioning something twice is stupid?
Or the writers considering that maybe some of the audience may have missed the one episode it was (possibly) brought up in?
Or the writers considering some may have forgotten it?
Or the writers considering that not everyone has JimmyJames inference skills or share his interpretation?
...so basically there was nothing wrong with what I suggested, you just had to twist it into absurdity (and somehow equate it to Sam asking for directions to Michael's Mom's house) to try to strengthen your argument... Your objection to the one line that you deemed needed to be fixed, is that it is too repetitive or implies audience stupidity on the order of Sam asking for directions to the Mom's house? What exactly is wrong with it? (that required you to edit it and then insult)
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So taking a step back... it was lunacy for me to be critical that they did not mention the brother was safe during the show. As it was possibly covered once, several (?) shows ago, bringing it up again would be repetitive, unnecessary or somehow an insult to the intelligent folks watching the show? Having a character (it could have been anyone but the Mom) in the show remind the audience, who may not remember every detail or missed the one show it may have been inferred, or who are not willing to assume that the brother is even out of town (remember you are inferring this; it is not a given fact - you could be right or, gasp, wrong) is not that crazy and should not be equated to Sam needing directions to the Mom's house.
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the writers are secretly removing the brother from the show and you are all screwing that up.
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Re: Burn Notice -- "Lesser Evil" -- Season 2 Finale -- 3/5/09
'Burn Notice' finale tops cable ratings
USA spy thriller hits series high
By DANIEL FRANKEL
USA's 'Burn Notice' proved it could generate ratings pyrotechnics even against stiff broadcast competish during the first quarter.
USA Network spy thriller "Burn Notice" is now the hottest show on cable. The skein finished its second season Thursday with two series highs: 6.1 million total viewers and 2.7 million adults 18-49.
Starring Jeffrey Donovan and Gabrielle Anwar, "Burn Notice" originally became a hit for USA running in the summer months. Yet the series notably garnered its best numbers in the just-completed second leg of season two by going directly against broadcast competish at 10 p.m. during the first quarter of the year.
On Thursday, the show faced off against an "ER" episode featuring the returns of Noah Wyle and Eriq La Salle, as well as a new episode of CBS' "Eleventh Hour."
While "Burn Notice's" numbers during the latter half of its second season were competitive with those 10 o'clock broadcast dramas, they also outstripped basic cable's incumbent ratings champion, TNT's "The Closer," during its first-quarter run on Monday nights.
USA spy thriller hits series high
By DANIEL FRANKEL
USA's 'Burn Notice' proved it could generate ratings pyrotechnics even against stiff broadcast competish during the first quarter.
USA Network spy thriller "Burn Notice" is now the hottest show on cable. The skein finished its second season Thursday with two series highs: 6.1 million total viewers and 2.7 million adults 18-49.
Starring Jeffrey Donovan and Gabrielle Anwar, "Burn Notice" originally became a hit for USA running in the summer months. Yet the series notably garnered its best numbers in the just-completed second leg of season two by going directly against broadcast competish at 10 p.m. during the first quarter of the year.
On Thursday, the show faced off against an "ER" episode featuring the returns of Noah Wyle and Eriq La Salle, as well as a new episode of CBS' "Eleventh Hour."
While "Burn Notice's" numbers during the latter half of its second season were competitive with those 10 o'clock broadcast dramas, they also outstripped basic cable's incumbent ratings champion, TNT's "The Closer," during its first-quarter run on Monday nights.
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Re: Burn Notice -- "Lesser Evil" -- Season 2 Finale -- 3/5/09
'Burn Notice' finale tops cable ratings
USA spy thriller hits series high
By DANIEL FRANKEL
USA's 'Burn Notice' proved it could generate ratings pyrotechnics even against stiff broadcast competish during the first quarter.
USA Network spy thriller "Burn Notice" is now the hottest show on cable. The skein finished its second season Thursday with two series highs: 6.1 million total viewers and 2.7 million adults 18-49.
Starring Jeffrey Donovan and Gabrielle Anwar, "Burn Notice" originally became a hit for USA running in the summer months. Yet the series notably garnered its best numbers in the just-completed second leg of season two by going directly against broadcast competish at 10 p.m. during the first quarter of the year.
On Thursday, the show faced off against an "ER" episode featuring the returns of Noah Wyle and Eriq La Salle, as well as a new episode of CBS' "Eleventh Hour."
While "Burn Notice's" numbers during the latter half of its second season were competitive with those 10 o'clock broadcast dramas, they also outstripped basic cable's incumbent ratings champion, TNT's "The Closer," during its first-quarter run on Monday nights.
USA spy thriller hits series high
By DANIEL FRANKEL
USA's 'Burn Notice' proved it could generate ratings pyrotechnics even against stiff broadcast competish during the first quarter.
USA Network spy thriller "Burn Notice" is now the hottest show on cable. The skein finished its second season Thursday with two series highs: 6.1 million total viewers and 2.7 million adults 18-49.
Starring Jeffrey Donovan and Gabrielle Anwar, "Burn Notice" originally became a hit for USA running in the summer months. Yet the series notably garnered its best numbers in the just-completed second leg of season two by going directly against broadcast competish at 10 p.m. during the first quarter of the year.
On Thursday, the show faced off against an "ER" episode featuring the returns of Noah Wyle and Eriq La Salle, as well as a new episode of CBS' "Eleventh Hour."
While "Burn Notice's" numbers during the latter half of its second season were competitive with those 10 o'clock broadcast dramas, they also outstripped basic cable's incumbent ratings champion, TNT's "The Closer," during its first-quarter run on Monday nights.
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Re: Burn Notice -- "Lesser Evil" -- Season 2 Finale -- 3/5/09
That's great news! Those are higher ratings than some primetime shows on the "bigger" 5 networks.
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Re: Burn Notice -- "Lesser Evil" -- Season 2 Finale -- 3/5/09
I just hope success doesn't breed changes that are destructive to the show. We don't need a Sam spinoff show, for instance.
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Re: Burn Notice -- "Lesser Evil" -- Season 2 Finale -- 3/5/09
Interesting concept except for the fact that they've already saddled the character with a young son to drag around. That ruins the whole concept in my book.
Great new about the ratings though! Considering Thursday nights are the most competitive night for ratings (at least judging by MY dueling TiVos' season passes), that is pretty amazing. Again let me iterate that I'm exuberant that we only have to wait until June for new episodes!
Great new about the ratings though! Considering Thursday nights are the most competitive night for ratings (at least judging by MY dueling TiVos' season passes), that is pretty amazing. Again let me iterate that I'm exuberant that we only have to wait until June for new episodes!
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Re: Burn Notice -- "Lesser Evil" -- Season 2 Finale -- 3/5/09
I like Bruce just as much as all of you, but I personally don't think a show with him as a lead would work. I think he has solid chemistry as a sidekick to Donovan's character and is probably thankful that this show rejuvenated his career.
I mean you can only go so far being primarily known as an actor with a cult following in shitty B movies/random guest and cameo appearances and the Evil Dead stuff.
He's probably grateful to get this type of gig at age 51 and have a steady paycheck for 4-6 months a year.
I mean you can only go so far being primarily known as an actor with a cult following in shitty B movies/random guest and cameo appearances and the Evil Dead stuff.
He's probably grateful to get this type of gig at age 51 and have a steady paycheck for 4-6 months a year.
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