The Bus

They'll tie it up somehow.

The Bus

So... what's so important about Jin being alive that made Ben change his plan with John?

tofu

Another good episode that leaves me more confused episode than when I started watching.

MoviePage

Heh heh...

Sorraffy

Which means that was truly a "Lost" episode. I've been waiting to see one of those since all the previous episodes made some sense.

Gotta say, it did not disappoint.

TheNightFlier

Good stuff tonight. I was really hoping Walt would find his way back to the island, but it doesn't look like it at the moment.

I get the feeling the island is going to take its pound of flesh from Ben eventually.

MoviePage

I had a feeling Ben was involved in Locke's death. Wasn't hard to figure out what was going to happen when he showed up at the hotel room.

But why was Ben the one who insisted that Locke had to go back to the island, and why was he so careful with the body (storing it in the meat freezer at the butcher shop), as if he knew what was going to happen when Locke returned to the island?

Confusion!

tr0n

I was assuming it was more due to Ben finding out Eloise Hawking was the person who was needed to return to the island.

calhoun07

I get the feeling the island took the people it wanted from the plane and left the rest on there to fend for themselves. Which made the rest of them fall under the "who cares?" category. Which indicates to me the island (or the power controlling it...Jacob/Christian/whatever) couldn't give two squirts of a rat's butt to have Ben back.

Adboy151

I think Locke knowing of Mrs. Hawking existence/possible role, is what triggered it.

It's a back and forth with Ben and Charles -- possibly with Hawking in the middle, not knowing she's being played by both for the right/wrong reason... or she even has her own agenda and is playing them.

With Ben having the knowledge of Jin still being alive, he had leverage against Sun that Charles didn't have; Locke didn't seem to share this intel.

CharlieK

Knowing that Locke tried and failed in recruiting the 06 back, I think Ben knew that his 'suicide' might be the impetus to get them all back.

After Jack read Locke's obit, isn't that what got the ball rolling on some of them coming back? Ben knew Jack was flying back and forth over the vicinity of the island; and in his fragile state this might just be the push Jack needed. Then others would fall in place.

One of my favorites things about this show is as soon as it starts, trying to figure when and where the scene is taking place.

calhoun07

Wait...he didn't know that without Ben telling him? I figured it was some kind of mad jealousy type thing, like he now realized Locke did not really need his help at all. I viewed him killing Locke as a way to get him out of the way to make himself important to the island again, or at least an attempt to.

Which makes me wonder if Christian wasn't on the island at some point in the past vying to be a leader?

EDIT: the more I think about it the more I think Christian had to have been on the island at some point in the past. I am watching the series again from season one on so I will look for any clues in the flash backs but apparently the island wanted him back, which is why his coffin had to be on 815, the same way Locke's coffin had to be on 316, and once Christian was alive again, he knew immediately what had to be done (telling Vincent to go find Jack because he had work to do) and leading Jack to the water and such...he had been there before. My mind reels with speculation with when/how/why but I will decline any speculation at this point!

Snowmaker

I want to know who the hell Ben got dead Locke back up there all by himself.

slappy

I thought maybe he was putting two and two together and now realized that he had met Jin in the past... when he was but a DHARMA youth.

But who knows... hah.

ATX

So who's lying... Ben or Widmore?

Vipper II

He probably just put the wire around Locke's neck and pulled him up. I can't imagine it being all that difficult.

Great acting from Terry O'Quinn this evening, too!

ATX

Kate drove Locke to suicide

calhoun07

Walt did say people would be all around Locke trying to hurt him, so yeah...that's what it looks like.

I really think that Widmore is telling the truth. They used misdirection in this series so much in the past...making us think Ben was harmless at first, then making him seem like the villain then we seem to be led to believe he's just a paternal character with the best interest of everybody at heart even when his decisions don't make sense to now we see that perhaps he's been more coniving and menacing the whole time after all.

Widmore, on the other hand, has been more consistent. So that's something...

aktick

Widmore's scene at the hospital in Tunisia was the first time I've ever really considered the potential that he was truly a good (relatively speaking) guy. With Ben killing Locke, I think I am leaning towards Widmore being "more good" than Ben.

But I think they're both corrupt, conniving fuckers who the island will eventually deal with.

Shinobi

What building was Ceasar in at the beginning (and end) of tonight's episode? Was that yet another Dharma station? Or the barracks of the Others? Or somewhere else? I didn't catch what building that was supposed to be.

Palaver

Thought it was the hydra. Could this have been the reason for the runway that Sawyer was helping the Others build a couple of seasons ago?

calhoun07

But they did make us think that Widmore was the bad guy in all of this. The way this show turns tables on the viewers with their reveals it wouldn't surprise me if he was actually the paternal character and had the island's best interest at heart and Ben screwed that up, and tried to take that role but failed because he wasn't genuine about it.

calhoun07

How do you figure?

The Bus

I think both Ben and Widmore are selfish. I don't think either will be completely good or evil.

Adboy151

Agreed. Looking back on Widmore, we're basing a lot of his villainy on Desmond's relationship with him... and the fact that he sent the freighter commandos to kill everyone last season (is there more to that?), BUT he did also send Daniel and company as well (or was THAT Mrs. Hawking's doing?).