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Old 02-05-09 | 09:05 AM
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Re: Lost -- "The Little Prince" -- 2/4/09

Originally Posted by Lunatikk
I think Charlotte is Horace's daughter.
There is no way that thing came out of Samantha Mathis. There's a limit to my suspension of disbelief, even for Lost!
Old 02-05-09 | 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Mad Dawg
I'm trying not to wonder about why the outrigger canoe didn't disappear from underneath them during the time-jump.

Wifey and I are big Jin fans, so that was an awesome reveal.
Anything that they have in possession stays with them during the time jump. Like the Zodiac, Locke's compass and the guns they got from the Others.
Old 02-05-09 | 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by pinata242
I'm not saying this doesn't make sense, but as I recall the scene it supports the way I laid it out.

Miles asked why Charlotte and not him as he'd never been there either. "Are you sure?" asks Faraday.

Now this is all based on the assumption that Charlotte has never been there at all. Either she hasn't and I'm right or she's had the most time on the island and you're right.

Do we know either way? I think I remember her saying something about looking for her parents and that's why she came to the island, but I can't be sure.

Again, I'm just going off what was said last night and what we've seen in the show up to this point.

But if you are right wouldn't Locke and Sawyer started bleeding before Juliet as they are known to have been on the island less time than Juliet?
Old 02-05-09 | 09:22 AM
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my assumption is that those that have been on the island LONGEST start having the nosebleeds first. So it went Charlotte, then Milles, then Juliet. So now we assume that Charlotte and Miles have spent a lot of time on the island in the past (Miles possibly as the Dr.'s son.)
Old 02-05-09 | 09:26 AM
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Re: Lost -- "The Little Prince" -- 2/4/09

Originally Posted by peon73
i hope someone knows french and can share what those frenchies were babbling about as they came ashore
Just general dialog. Nothing important.

Nice to see Jin back but this show is becoming more and more like Heroes. Time travel and our main characters never die, no matter how extreme the situation. I'm curious to find out how the writers explain Jin surviving a freighter exploding from under him. I guess he jumped off but I have to wonder if he also jumped over a shark at the same time.

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Old 02-05-09 | 09:28 AM
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From lostpedia:

The name on the side of Ben's van, "Canton Rainier" is an anagram of "reincarnation."
Old 02-05-09 | 09:36 AM
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Re: Lost -- "The Little Prince" -- 2/4/09

Originally Posted by IDrinkMolson
From lostpedia:

The name on the side of Ben's van, "Canton Rainier" is an anagram of "reincarnation."
From this thread:

Originally Posted by Palaver
Interesting tidbit. The name on Linus's van, Canton-Rainier, is an anagram for reincarnation.
Old 02-05-09 | 09:47 AM
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Guys, please. It's Rousseau.

I thought we had covered this, but

John Locke - English philosopher, helped to develop the concept of the social contract.
Jean-Jacques Rousseau - French philosopher, also an important figure in the development of the social contract.
David Hume - Scottish philosopher, a key figure in the development of empiricism.
Michael Faraday - English physicist, discovered the concept of magnetic fields.
C.S. Lewis - English author and Christian philosopher.
Richard Alpert - aka "Baba Ram Dass", spiritual leader.

I've probably left out a few.

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Old 02-05-09 | 09:49 AM
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Re: Lost -- "The Little Prince" -- 2/4/09

Originally Posted by Flave
Nice to see Jin back but this show is becoming more and more like Heroes. Time travel and our main characters never die, no matter how extreme the situation.
Well, comparing it to Heroes is a bit extreme. This show has had SEVERAL lead cast members die and never come back, except in flashbacks or what seem to be hallucinations. They've been so faithful to this that I didn't expect Jin to return and was pleasantly surprised when he did.

True, almost all the main characters have had death-defying moments where they've been left for dead, but then weren't, but for the most part, when someone "really dies," they stay dead on this show, unlike Heroes which often finds unique ways to bring them back to life.

And thus far, the time travel element on Lost is completely different from Heroes--they've made it clear that they cannot change time. We've yet to see if they can hold to that, but so far they have very well and they're using the time travel element just to answer viewer's questions about relationships and how the island came to be the way it is.
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Re: Lost -- "The Little Prince" -- 2/4/09

Originally Posted by SonOfAStu
Absolutely. The dialog was very muffled. I kept going through all the audio settings on my TV and cable box trying to fix it, but never could.

I also found it very distracting for about 10 minutes until I just got used to it.
Same BS here.
Old 02-05-09 | 09:55 AM
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I wonder if we see that Russian guy with the eyepatch who can't seem to die. Maybe a younger version of him on how he came to the island.
Old 02-05-09 | 10:01 AM
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Re: Lost -- "The Little Prince" -- 2/4/09

Originally Posted by Flave
From this thread:
Oh. I must have posted before I refreshed from reading.
Old 02-05-09 | 10:17 AM
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Re: Lost -- "The Little Prince" -- 2/4/09

Originally Posted by tcoursen
But if you are right wouldn't Locke and Sawyer started bleeding before Juliet as they are known to have been on the island less time than Juliet?
I already said that it doesn't explain those. Look, for the 3rd time, I'm just reiterating what Faraday said with what we know for sure.

We don't know that Charlotte or Miles have been there before, or how long. It's certainly possible Faraday is jumping to conclusions and taking me (for one) along with him.
Old 02-05-09 | 10:19 AM
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Re: Lost -- "The Little Prince" -- 2/4/09

Originally Posted by pinata242
Thanks for the screengrab, Palaver.

Do we know who the "subject" is? It's obviously a woman and not Kate given the address.

Lee Chin is dead? Melissa? Yellow VW Beetle?

Is it simple and I'm overlooking it?
Since the subject keeps going out to the mailbox, it must be Grandma Death. I guess that means one of the engines from Oceanic 815 was sucked through a wormhole and crashed into the bedroom of Donnie Darko in 1988.

I'm not sure how closely we were meant to read that page -- at the top it says surveillance was conducted for one week starting on Tuesday, then it lists what the subject did on Wednesday morning, afternoon, and evening -- but each section is followed by a note on when the last light was extinguished, with the times being late at night or early morning.
Old 02-05-09 | 10:23 AM
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Re: Lost -- "The Little Prince" -- 2/4/09

Originally Posted by Sean O'Hara
Since the subject keeps going out to the mailbox, it must be Grandma Death. I guess that means one of the engines from Oceanic 815 was sucked through a wormhole and crashed into the bedroom of Donnie Darko in 1988.
Which is also the year Rousseau and her buddies crahsed and Jin currently is. Any coincidence that Sun got that document? I think not!

I wonder if the 4-toed statue is going to be related to Smurfette fucking everyone.
Old 02-05-09 | 10:25 AM
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Does anyone have any ideas about the outriggers? Given the type of boat, you'd think it was the distant past -- maybe the era of the Black Rock or even the four-toed statue, but since the base camp with beer cans was in ruins, that indicates the near future.
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this show is becoming more and more like Heroes.
NO WAY. The writing on this show is light years ahead of the garbage on heroes.
Old 02-05-09 | 10:37 AM
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Re: Lost -- "The Little Prince" -- 2/4/09

Originally Posted by wendersfan
Guys, please. It's Rousseau.

I thought we had covered this, but

John Locke - English philosopher, helped to develop the concept of the social contract.
Jean-Jacques Rousseau - French philosopher, also an important figure in the development of the social contract.
David Hume - Scottish philosopher, a key figure in the development of empiricism.
Michael Faraday - English physicist, discovered the concept of magnetic fields.
C.S. Lewis - English author and Christian philosopher.
Richard Alpert - aka "Baba Ram Dass", spiritual leader.

I've probably left out a few.
FWIW, I came across this list which I think is a pretty comprehensive list of name allusions used on Lost:

Aaron: In the Old Testament, Aaron was the brother of Moses, as well as the first high priest chosen by the Lord to perform priestly services in the Tabernacle where the Ark of the Covenant was located.
Anthony Cooper: Anthony Ashley Cooper was an English philosopher and friend of John Locke.
Benjamin: In the Old Testament, Benjamin was the youngest son of Jacob by his second wife Rachel. Rachel died during childbirth, just as in LOST, Benjamin Linus' mother, Emily, died shortly after childbirth, but not before requesting that the child be named "Benoni", (renamed Benjamin by his father Jacob), again following the Biblical example. Is it possible that Benjamin Linus is in some way related to Jacob?
Boone Carlyle: Thomas Carlyle was an 18th century Scottish philosopher.
Captain Gault: Captain Gault is a fictional sea captain created by English writer William Hope Hodgson.
Charlotte Staples Lewis: Clive Staples Lewis (C.S. Lewis) was a highly regarded British author, scholar, and theologian, most famous for his works on medieval literature, Christian apologetics, literary criticism, and fantasy.
Daniel Faraday:In the Old Testament, Daniel was a Prophet of God to whom God gave the ability to see the future. Michael Faraday was also an English chemist and physicist.
Danielle Rousseau: Jean Jacques Rousseau was a Swiss philosopher and composer.
Desmond Hume: David Hume was a Scottish philosopher.
Edmund Burke: Irish statesman, author, orator, political theorist, and philosopher
Eloise Hawking: Stephen Hawking is a well-known mathematician, physicist and current Lucasian Professor of Mathematics at Cambridge.
George Minkowski: Hermann Minkowski was an early twentieth century German mathematician and physicist.
Harper Stanhope: Charles Stanhope, the 3rd Earl of Stanhope was a British statesman and accomplished scientist.
Henry Gale: Henry Gale is Dorothy's Uncle Henry in "The Wizard of Oz", but only named so in the 1939 film adaptation.
Horace and Olivia Goodspeed: Edgar Johnson Goodspeed was an American scholar of Greek and the New Testament.
Isaac: Isaac is the son of Abraham in the Old Testament, and Jacob is the son of Isaac.
Jacob: In the Old Testament, Jacob was a Biblical patriarch and the son of Isaac. His grandfather was Abraham. Jacob's youngest son, by his second wife, Rachel, was named Benjamin. The name Jacob means "supplanter".
Jeremy Bentham: English utilitarian philosopher and social reformer.
John Locke: John Locke was an English philosopher.
Juliet Burke: In the show, Edmund Burke is the name of her husband. The real Edmund Burke was an Irish statesman, Member of Parliament, and a leader of the Old Whigs.
Karen and Gerald DeGroot: Hugo De Groot was a 16th century Dutch philosopher.
Matthew Abaddon: Abaddon in Hebrew means "destruction".
Mikhail Bakunin: Mikhail Bakunin was a well-known Russian revolutionary and anarchist philosopher.
Miles Straume: The name Miles Straume may be a twist on the word "maelstrom".
Naomi Dorrit: Ellen Dorrit Hoffleit was an American senior research astronomer at Yale Univ.
Rachel: In the Old Testament, Rachel was the second wife of Jacob, and the mother of Benjamin.
Richard Alpert: Dr. Richard Alpert is a noted psychologist and Hindu spiritualist.
Sayid Jarrah: Author/activist Edward Said (both names are pronounced the same).
Shannon Rutherford: Ernest Rutherford was a chemist and a physicist who became known as the "father" of nuclear physics.
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Thanks. I apparently don't watch the show closely enough to have caught a lot of those names.
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Does anyone know a good site that has pics/discussion of each episodes easter eggs? i used to go here http://darkufo.blogspot.com/ but that site sucks now
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Re: Lost -- "The Little Prince" -- 2/4/09

Interesting list Flave... I'll have to pour over it more closely later.

Originally Posted by tcoursen
But if you are right wouldn't Locke and Sawyer started bleeding before Juliet as they are known to have been on the island less time than Juliet?
Sawyer & Locke have only been on the island for a few months. It's been 5 years tv time for us, but still only about 4 months to them. Juliet was there, I would assume, for a much longer time.

Plus, as we've been told by both Ben and 'Bentham' that terrible things happen to the people left on the island. The nosebleed could just a precursor to that, so it would be safe to assume that our Losties will probably end up experiencing the same thing.

Originally Posted by Flave
I'm curious to find out how the writers explain Jin surviving a freighter exploding from under him.
He probably survived the same way Desmond, Locke & Charlie survived the Swan imploding. Either dumb luck, or because the island 'needs/needed' them.
Old 02-05-09 | 10:56 AM
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Re: Lost -- "The Little Prince" -- 2/4/09

"jack, we're running out of time!"
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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
Sawyer & Locke have only been on the island for a few months. It's been 5 years tv time for us, but still only about 4 months to them. Juliet was there, I would assume, for a much longer time.
You're saying the same thing he is. I'm the oddball here going solely by what's been presented by the show's leading physicist and time-travel-ologist.

So, enough about that.
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He probably survived the same way Desmond, Locke & Charlie survived the Swan imploding. Either dumb luck, or because the island 'needs/needed' them.
Don't forget Michael and Jack couldn't kill themselves back in the real world either for the same exact reason.
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Originally Posted by pinata242
You're saying the same thing he is. I'm the oddball here going solely by what's been presented by the show's leading physicist and time-travel-ologist.

So, enough about that.
The problem with your theory though is the X factor that is Charlotte. We know nothing about her. For all we know she could have been an Other for 20 years and been riding the polar bear when the FDW was first turned. Then you bring in Miles as a baby to about 3 years old and you come to the order of Charlotte -> Miles -> Juliet(?) -> Faraday -> Losties. Faraday is a big question mark himself. We know he's been there before, but how long? Thinking about it, we don't know enough about any of them to guess accurately. The only thing we know for sure is that the Losties have been there about four months, and the other four characters have been there longer.

Originally Posted by pinata242
Don't forget Michael and Jack couldn't kill themselves back in the real world either for the same exact reason.
Exactly, so if Jin is there to serve a purpose (and being 16 years in the past with the French team/Danielle is any indicator, he is), then it's not hard to believe that he survived.

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