great episode, Stabuck shooting those guys ruled.

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Or have access to our bases? Patrol with our forces?

I see what you're saying, but didn't they finally agree that it would be all humans that did the upgrades and the Cylons would only be able to watch and advise?

I always knew this dude was a Nazi...


"Of course, back then we were the Von Brauns..."

They did talk about that, but chief said they he barely understood the technology himself and they would need teams of Sixes/Sharons/Leoben to do the upgrades.

I guess the thing that bugs me the most is that I never understood how Adama and crew could trust these Cylons so wholeheartedly. Or his complete disdain of the Quorum.

W/O that conflict we wouldn't have gotten this eps That explains everything

This isn't just an alliance--they're permitting these cylons to become members of the fleet with full citizenship in return for technology that the humans don't even understand. It's more like allowing a tribal/insurgent leader to become a citizen and live in the same nation that they once attempted to destroy.

In the end, this is just a plot device--the writers need to keep things moving, and most viewers aren't going to question the move enough to stop watching.

No, the Cylons have SUPERIOR technology. It's like the BSG crew are the Russians and the Cylons are the Americans. Somewhat evenly matched but when the "war" is over, they start working together. Just compressed for time

I have no issues with how things are going. Earth was a bust. Cylons have been faithfully serving in human roles for years, and at every step they find more and more evidence that the races are linked in every way. The people rebelling are looking at it as too black and white, us vs. them. It is not that clear cut, and I think the writers have done an AMAZING job of tying these threads together and leading it to a climax.

You want to see writers who make it up as they go along, check out LOST. I enjoy the show, but they had no idea what they were doing with that story for the first four years of the show. When it wraps up, there will be TONS of unanswered questions, because the writers have forgotten they even posed them.

If the Russians murdered 99.999% of the Americans in a sneak attack four years prior, the analogy might work.

And it doesn't, mainly because they did murder all of humanity. This is genocide, not a cold war.

I think it really comes down to personal trust and experiences.

Adama trusts Tigh. Always has, always will. The fact that he turned out to be a Cylon hit Adama hard and they've worked through that now. Everyone, including Tigh, Tyrol, Tori, and Anders (as well as Six, D'Anna, Sharon, Leoben) believed in Earth. Believed there was a 13th tribe of Kobol Humans out there. A new world.

Some of the Cylons (Cavil, Aaron, Simon?, Ellen?) wanted to get there to destroy them.

Now they've found Earth and got hit with the same 13th-tribe-were-Cylon game-changer as the rest of us, the entire paradigm has shifted.

But even all of this is AFTER the Cylon civil war. The Cylons that are allied with the humans now are not the same Cylons that nuked the Colonies, at least they don't have the same goals as then.

The Humans can't change what happened. Nuking the "friendly" toasters would be understandable and justifiable, but it is short-sighted. They need each other at this point. They each have information the other needs. Working together is the quickest and surest way to get to where they're each going.

If that alliance is based on the trust Adama has for Tigh and Tyrol, Roslyn has for Tori, and Starbuck has for Anders then the Gaetas and Zareks either have to accept it or incite a revolution/mutiny.

Personally, I understand the need for an alliance. The problem is the way it has been handled. Rosalin should have made her little motivationsal speech much earlier when it could have made a real impact.

Instead, she has thrown in the towel and refused to step down to allow new leadership to take affect. While she and Adama may not have always agreed with Zarek, he seems to always have had the fleet's best interest at heart. Perhaps if they had reached out to him and the quorum in the past, they would be able to work together.

She did say she was going to resign, though. Sure she may have decided she was just going to "ride the current out to sea" which the apparent failure of the prophecy and going off her meds/treatments.

But when faced with the reality of what was coming down the pike, she's stepped it up and put her big-boy pants back on.

That's not going to be a woman you want to frak with, I suspect.

When I as a viewer hear that Cylons are interested in installing their FTLs on Fleet ships, I instantly make the connection to the old "Networked Ships" plot device that allowed the Cylons to disrupt the fleet in the first place. Galactica was being decommissioned and therefore was not networked at the time.

I wish that would at least be mentioned by the characters when doubting the intentions of the Cylons wanting to install their technology now.

As it is currently, their only defense to not doing it is, "Nuh-uh!!!"

Gaeta did mention that, directly in Adama's face in the CIC when he took control of Galactica.

Really? Jeez. Oh well. Score one for the writers!

Agreed. Adama may be the military leader of the fleet, but when it comes down to it, Roslin is far more ruthless and unforgiving.

Yeah, but it might not have been the right venue to voice those concerns Maybe earlier instead of his little "and you alone get to make that decision?" hissy-fit.

personally..im having hard time siding with the "good guys"..I want to see Gaeta and friends win out over this whole alliance thing but I know it wont happen..

Wow...that was shades of season 1 level awesome. War Gaeta!

Just chiming in to say I was at the point of DVR'ing all the BSG episodes and saving them for a rainy day. I am glad I ran out of other shows to watch and caught this episode already.
Wow! Exceleent episode.
Now I am back to wanting to watch live

What can I say that others haven't already? Just a great frakkin' episode. I think it was all the more "tense" to watch because we know the end is coming, and therefore NONE of the characters are "safe" (anyone could be killed off).

I think a big reason why this episode worked so well was due to it's director, John Dahl (Red Rock West, Last Seduction, Rounders). The writing was about average for BSG (or just above average), but Dahl's direction elevated it above even that.

Just stepping in to echo what everyone else is saying: Amazing episode. I loved that Adama just killed that other Marine without even hesitating; I don't think another show would have had it's commanding officer kill one of his own men outright, traitorous or not. I'm really curious to see if this ends up in Adama's favor, that lots of people who were involved might just be airlocked.

Amen!!!

I think Cavil is going to get to them first.

Expect the number of survivors to plummet in the near future when the hostile Cylons strike an unprepared fleet.