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Old 08-12-08 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Flave
I'm still liking this show but it's getting harder and harder to fathom WTF Don's problem is. He's very good at a job he obviously loves, has a gorgeous and interesting wife (and he's also plenty attractive to other women), kids, financial security, the whole nine yards. So WTF is his problem? Ok, he had a bad childhood. Boo-fucking-hoo. Get over it already.
Don's problem right now is he is emasculated. He is trying hard to be a good husband and father this season, but as a result, he seems no longer good at his work. He even had impotence problems in bed.

Sleeping with that lady seemed to get Don his mojo back and he was able to get back into his alpha dog role. Ironically, Betty seemed so happy at the end even though he is back to being a cad.
Old 08-12-08 | 11:30 AM
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I think last season was about Don being "bad", but by the end, realizing what he had and sort of feeling ashamed of his cheating ways, both personally and professionally.

It seems like so far this season is about Don trying to do the right thing (trying to not sell out to American Airlines, not having affairs) and while he might be conflicted, he's still realizing what a charmed life he has and trying hard not to fuck it up.
Old 08-12-08 | 12:25 PM
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In a way it parallels the final season of The Sopranos. The thing is, we have yet to see the real "Don". The writers just scratched the surface near the end of last season, so I am sure there is way more for us to find out.
Old 08-12-08 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Patman
Don, in essence, said "talk to the hand."
LOL

He's got her wrapped around his finger, you betcha!...
Old 08-12-08 | 12:53 PM
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Oh, I love this show. I agree with all the positive comments.

This is one of the shows where I enjoy almost every scene.
Old 08-12-08 | 04:24 PM
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Do you mean the Belle Jolie guy? That was the guy that hit on Sal in season 1.
No, no. While everybody was filing out of the conference room after viewing the episode of the Defenders, "Duck" turns to Sal and asks "How's it going?" to which Sal responds "Very well, thank you." Maybe it's nothing, but maybe...
Old 08-12-08 | 04:36 PM
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No, no. While everybody was filing out of the conference room after viewing the episode of the Defenders, "Duck" turns to Sal and asks "How's it going?" to which Sal responds "Very well, thank you." Maybe it's nothing, but maybe...
That wasn't Duck, it was the Belle Jolie guy. I had to look up the character's name - Elliot Lawrence

http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/i...r_hey_you.html

The Belle Jolie exec who reluctantly turns down Harry's "Defenders" pitch is Elliot Lawrence, who invited Salvatore to dinner -- and then up to his hotel room -- in one of the best scenes in season one. Now that Salvatore has burrowed deep into the closet, note how cold he is to Elliot's innocuous question about how he's doing. Note also Elliot lamenting the fact that he doesn't work for a more progressive company; he's overtly talking about the abortion episode, but there are surely other ways in which Belle Jolie could be a friendlier place for him to work.
http://blog.zap2it.com/ithappenedlas...en-taking.html
Also in the Defenders screening: Belle Jolie's Elliot Lawrence, who tried to pull Salvatore out of the closet in "The Hobo Code" last season, which explains Sal's extremely frosty reaction to an innocent "How's it going?"

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Old 08-12-08 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Jadzia
That wasn't Duck, it was the Belle Jolie guy. I had to look up the character's name - Elliot Lawrence

http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/i...r_hey_you.html



http://blog.zap2it.com/ithappenedlas...en-taking.html
My bad. Thanks for the clarification.
Old 08-12-08 | 11:56 PM
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This episode was gorgeously shot. It was also truly stunning. What Don did - and said - in that restaurant lobby, left me breathless. Great scene and perfectly executed.

I think this is probably my favorite show on television right now.
Old 08-13-08 | 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by auntiewinnie
Was it my imagination, or do you think we are meant to infer anything by the brief exchange between Herman 'Duck' Phillips and Salvatore Romano as they left the conference room?
Speaking of Salvatore Romano - they're making him "more obvious" than what he appeared from last season, aren't they? I mean, he didn't come off as effeminine in Season One, yet he's dripping with it now in Season Two.
Old 08-13-08 | 11:56 AM
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I always thought Sal was gay, from the get-go, just sort of in the closet about it.
Old 08-13-08 | 12:04 PM
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Speaking of Salvatore Romano - they're making him "more obvious" than what he appeared from last season, aren't they? I mean, he didn't come off as effeminine in Season One, yet he's dripping with it now in Season Two.
Really? I thought Sal came off as obviously gay in Season 1. So much so, that I was shocked when he got weirded out by Elliot's advances. I had assumed he was already pretty comfortable with who he was, although he obviously had to stay closeted at work and in society. There were some earlier scenes in season 1, where Sal was looking longingly at the sketch of his neighbor sun-bathing and then there was that scene at the club where one of the guys at work said something about how there was a lot of men there and under his breath he said something like "Yeah, I noticed."

This season they have implied he got married and I hope they explore that more.
Old 08-13-08 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Jadzia
Really? I thought Sal came off as obviously gay in Season 1. So much so, that I was shocked when he got weirded out by Elliot's advances. I had assumed he was already pretty comfortable with who he was, although he obviously had to stay closeted at work and in society. There were some earlier scenes in season 1, where Sal was looking longingly at the sketch of his neighbor sun-bathing and then there was that scene at the club where one of the guys at work said something about how there was a lot of men there and under his breath he said something like "Yeah, I noticed."
Oh, I know they made it clear about Sal's sexual orientation, but Sal didn't talk gay in Season One, but he does now.
Old 08-13-08 | 02:08 PM
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What I find interesting about Sal is that how to us, now, he seems obviously gay, but in 1960 he would have just been thought as dapper and artistic. People didn't have any gaydar back then.
Old 08-13-08 | 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Buttmunker
Oh, I know they made it clear about Sal's sexual orientation, but Sal didn't talk gay in Season One, but he does now.
I watched season one a few weeks ago and feel he pretty much always talked like that... Great episode this week. Season 2 is shaping up to be a pretty damn good one.
Old 09-26-08 | 07:38 PM
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Why exactly was the reason Don fired his secretary? Because she couldn't effectively come up with good enough lies to cover for Don coming and going at will?
She giggled somewhat insinuatingly to Peggy about his Pinocchio excuse, messed up the name of Draper's boss, and forgot to mention an important meeting to Don. I forget the exact nature of the latter, but one of the ad men noted, "I told your girl."

Originally Posted by Jadzia
According to the AMC recap, the film was Antonioni’s “La Notte".
Which made Don's mention of the film in the following week not totally out of left field for his character. Somehow he didn't strike me as the kind of guy who did subtitles.

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