LOST -- "There's No Place Like Home Pts. 2 & 3" -- 05.29.2008
05-31-08 | 08:25 AM
#301
Originally Posted by Joe Schmoe
When Keamy was close to death, why didn't Locke quickly move the pulse monitor from Keamy's arm to his own to prevent the freighter from blowing up?
The logistics of the monitor being able to transmit that distance on top of that, I think it was one of the weakest scenes in the entire series. There have been some pretty weak ones before, but I think this is the weakest because it was a pivotal scene in a season finale.
Originally Posted by Joe Schmoe
How far off shore was Sawyer after he jumped out the helicopter? He wasn't even tired when he got to the beach.
Anyway, it was a totally awesome season. My favorite show by far this year.
Was Season 2 the season about pushing the button every 108 minutes? That was so frickin' boring and it dragged on for so long I almost quit watching. That season was easily the worst IMHO.
Anyway, it was a totally awesome season. My favorite show by far this year.
Was Season 2 the season about pushing the button every 108 minutes? That was so frickin' boring and it dragged on for so long I almost quit watching. That season was easily the worst IMHO.
If season 5, as some suggested, will be the Empire Strikes Back of the series then I propose season two is the Phantom Menace. You watch it not because it's compelling viewing, but because it does have a few good moments here and there and it's part of the over all story that you love. But yeah, it was the weakest link. I actually think the season would have been better if they weren't forced to write off the Tailies characters the way they had to. Ana Lucia was written off because she went to jail, not because they wanted her off (if I recall right) and Eco wanted off the show for personal reasons (if I recall right) and I am not sure about the other actors...why did they get rid of Libby? But I still wonder to this day what different directions they could have taken with the show if some of them had survived.
I still miss Libby and Eco most of all.
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05-31-08 | 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by majorjoe23
The actresses who played Ana Lucia and Libby both got in trouble for drunk driving.
It's a shame, really...I would have loved to see where they would have gone with those characters.
05-31-08 | 11:47 AM
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According to Cuse and Lindelof, the deaths of Annalucia and Libby were planned, and didn't have to do with the arrests:
http://www.avclub.com/content/interv...lindelof_and/2
They could be lying as cover for the real reason, I guess.
AVC: How about this: Were the "tailies," particularly Eko, Libby, and Ana-Lucia, always going to be funeral-home fodder, or did you have other plans when you first introduced them?
DL: Our deal with Michele Rodriguez was always for a season-long arc. And then when we came to the moment when Michael was going to kill her, we also thought that if we killed Libby, it would be a one-two punch. Because Ana-Lucia is a character that a lot of the audience had mixed feelings about, but Libby is a character that nearly everybody loved. So to make Michael's act as heinous as possible, Libby ended up dead. Eko… there were deal complications with the actor going into that season, and though we did have plans for that character that would have extended well beyond season three of the show, as a result of the practical considerations of producing a show, it just didn't pan out.
AVC: So with a show as well-planned as yours, what do you do in that case? Do you move pieces of Eko's story to somebody else, or do they die along with him?
CC: Television shows aren't made in a vacuum. They're made in the real world, and the real world is complicated by the fact that you are coordinating your creative plans with hundreds of other people. In the case of Adewale [Akinnuoye-Agbaje, the actor who played Mr. Eko], he wanted to go back to London. People go to Hawaii, and either they love it or they get island fever, and Adewale was sort of in the latter camp. He just wasn't happy being in Hawaii, so we had to accommodate that. We made adjustments. You can sort of dictate to a certain degree what you want the show to be, but you have to listen just as hard to what the show is telling you it wants to be. Certain actors we write for and they pop, like Michael Emerson, and we find ourselves doing a lot more with him than we originally planned. Other ones like Mr. Eko, we had bigger plans for, but, just on a practical level, they didn't mesh with that actor's desires.
DL: Our deal with Michele Rodriguez was always for a season-long arc. And then when we came to the moment when Michael was going to kill her, we also thought that if we killed Libby, it would be a one-two punch. Because Ana-Lucia is a character that a lot of the audience had mixed feelings about, but Libby is a character that nearly everybody loved. So to make Michael's act as heinous as possible, Libby ended up dead. Eko… there were deal complications with the actor going into that season, and though we did have plans for that character that would have extended well beyond season three of the show, as a result of the practical considerations of producing a show, it just didn't pan out.
AVC: So with a show as well-planned as yours, what do you do in that case? Do you move pieces of Eko's story to somebody else, or do they die along with him?
CC: Television shows aren't made in a vacuum. They're made in the real world, and the real world is complicated by the fact that you are coordinating your creative plans with hundreds of other people. In the case of Adewale [Akinnuoye-Agbaje, the actor who played Mr. Eko], he wanted to go back to London. People go to Hawaii, and either they love it or they get island fever, and Adewale was sort of in the latter camp. He just wasn't happy being in Hawaii, so we had to accommodate that. We made adjustments. You can sort of dictate to a certain degree what you want the show to be, but you have to listen just as hard to what the show is telling you it wants to be. Certain actors we write for and they pop, like Michael Emerson, and we find ourselves doing a lot more with him than we originally planned. Other ones like Mr. Eko, we had bigger plans for, but, just on a practical level, they didn't mesh with that actor's desires.
They could be lying as cover for the real reason, I guess.
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05-31-08 | 12:04 PM
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Thought it was a great finale. The only thing that has bugged me is the overuse of the horrible "hollywood music". I don't think it's necessary in a show that has enough drama without it.
One question though: I seem to remember before the season started, that there was a clip with a rabbit with a number on it (from the Orchid) and then another one appeared with the same number. Could it be that Locke may be still alive and this deceased lookalike/clone was what was in the coffin? Just wondering and hoping.
Now as I love to quote from Blue Velvet: "Here's to Ben".
One question though: I seem to remember before the season started, that there was a clip with a rabbit with a number on it (from the Orchid) and then another one appeared with the same number. Could it be that Locke may be still alive and this deceased lookalike/clone was what was in the coffin? Just wondering and hoping.
Now as I love to quote from Blue Velvet: "Here's to Ben".
05-31-08 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by thebunk
3) The MP3 Bomb Transmitter with more bars then anyone else - WTF?! How the hell could that signal still be strong enough WAY down underground? And how many miles was the boat offshore?
I was thinking of Ben's final scene where he was turning the "donkey wheel". He had previously said that the person who "moves" the island has to leave the island. Maybe the act of moving the portal (I assume this is what Ben did when he turned the wheel) also opened a temporary planet-wide wormhole which caused him to traverse to the antipode of the portal's original (new?) position.
05-31-08 | 01:17 PM
#309
Originally Posted by sb5
According to Cuse and Lindelof, the deaths of Annalucia and Libby were planned, and didn't have to do with the arrests:
Those two deaths, and the later death of Eko in S3, made a large part of season two seem pointless. I don't think they knew what they were doing with the tail section part of the story.
05-31-08 | 01:26 PM
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Also, I thought that the wave after the island disappeared was a very disingenuous misleading effect, to say the least. Either the island was in the water or (as I believe) the portal was. If the island was truly sitting in the water, having that large a mass disappear in an instant would cause a massive tsunami -- not that little ripple. And if it's just the portal sitting in the water, then there is no actual mass there and the island's disappearance wouldn't cause any waves. Either way, that scene is just plain wrong.
05-31-08 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Flave
I'm pretty sure that the device Keamy wore had the same technology that the fancy-dancy satphone had. Being underground is the least of its issues; this thing has to communicate through the portal to get to an off-island receiver. Both the satphone and the monitor must have some very exotic technology to allow them to communicate with the outside world.
If he has the same technology as the sat phone in that little wristband mp3 player, I beg to ask the question why? If his true motive was to use the C4 to scare the passengers on the ship (with no forsight that Jack and co. were going to use the ship to save everyone), why would he need that technology? Surely that is some pretty expensive tech right there to have in place "just in case".
Oh yeah other nitpicks included Saywer's lightening quick swim back to the beach and appear without a loss of breath.
05-31-08 | 02:23 PM
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And then there's Jeremy Bentham/John Locke. Didn't that newspaper article say that he committed suicide? Could it be that when Locke left the island (FORCED off the island?), he became paralyzed again, couldn't convince the O6 to return (and bring him with them) and decided to end it all?
05-31-08 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by thebunk
I got a couple of problems with that theory. One, I can buy that the sat phone has access to the outside world since everyone used it on the surface and not 100 feet or more under the earth. But lets put that nitpick aside. . .
Originally Posted by thebunk
If he has the same technology as the sat phone in that little wristband mp3 player, I beg to ask the question why? If his true motive was to use the C4 to scare the passengers on the ship (with no forsight that Jack and co. were going to use the ship to save everyone), why would he need that technology? Surely that is some pretty expensive tech right there to have in place "just in case".
05-31-08 | 02:35 PM
#314
Originally Posted by Flave
And then there's Jeremy Bentham/John Locke. Didn't that newspaper article say that he committed suicide? Could it be that when Locke left the island (FORCED off the island?), he became paralyzed again, couldn't convince the O6 to return (and bring him with them) and decided to end it all?
05-31-08 | 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Flave
Well, let's not put it aside. What's a 100 ft. of rock when we're talking about a device that can communicate through holes in space and time?
I don't know where you got the idea that the C4 was in place just to scare people. I think it was pretty apparent that Keamy had clear instructions from Widmore -- the only people that were to survive his mission was his crew and Ben. If Keamy dies, everybody dies. If Keamy dies, erase all evidence of the mission.
I don't know where you got the idea that the C4 was in place just to scare people. I think it was pretty apparent that Keamy had clear instructions from Widmore -- the only people that were to survive his mission was his crew and Ben. If Keamy dies, everybody dies. If Keamy dies, erase all evidence of the mission.
05-31-08 | 03:12 PM
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Does anyone know if the moving of the island coincides in the LOST timeline with the actual 2004 Tsunami, December 26? Because I was just thinking that might be a possibility and if it did, it would be a cool little tie-in with real events.
05-31-08 | 03:16 PM
#317
Originally Posted by Flave
Could it be that when Locke left the island (FORCED off the island?), he became paralyzed again, couldn't convince the O6 to return (and bring him with them) and decided to end it all?
Of the O6, who would and wouldn't want to go back? Kate seems to not want to as of now, though the island may be getting to her. And Aaron's probably going wherever she goes for the time being. Jack obviously wants to go back now. I don't know why Hurley wouldn't want to - he's just wasting away going nuts as it is. Sayid is probably on board, since he doesn't have much to live for and seems to be working with Ben yet. And if Jin is alive, and Locke knows it and told Sun, then obviously Sun would want to go back.
So it seems it wouldn't take much convincing to get all of them on board to make a triumphant return, but the trust thing is probably the main issue.
Sun blamed 2 people for Jin's "death" - her dad and maybe Jack (though Keamy or even Widmore are the real guilty party). But it seems she doesn't blame Widmore, so it looks like she might be the main holdup going forward.
05-31-08 | 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by hardercore
Does anyone know if the moving of the island coincides in the LOST timeline with the actual 2004 Tsunami, December 26? Because I was just thinking that might be a possibility and if it did, it would be a cool little tie-in with real events.
ecember_2004 - the island disappeared on December 30, 2004.
05-31-08 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by hardercore
Does anyone know if the moving of the island coincides in the LOST timeline with the actual 2004 Tsunami, December 26? Because I was just thinking that might be a possibility and if it did, it would be a cool little tie-in with real events.
05-31-08 | 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenVulture
More like cheap and exploitative. I can see it now, some tsunami victim running into Cuse or Lindelof: "You mean you moving your fictional island is what caused me to lose my home, my livelihood and several family members? LOL, you guys are such rascals!"
05-31-08 | 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by aktick
Yeah, because nobody ever made a movie about WW2 or 9/11.
05-31-08 | 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by thebunk
Also, how the hell did Keamy know that all of the survivors were on/being transferred to the boat?
Did anyone realize that while this season addressed Wimore and his merc team, they never bothered to explain the purpose of the science team being there? As a matter of fact, it seems the members of the science team actually helped the losties more than anything. Kinda counterproductive sending them there?
05-31-08 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenVulture
Feel free to list some movies where some fictional event or character caused WW2 or 9/11.
05-31-08 | 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by beatccr
well when artz died, he got splatted over whoever was standing near him, hurley even mentions something about someone having a chunk of artz on your face.