Michael Corvin

Well, there's that whole not wanting to die part as well.

I haven't gotten that vibe yet. Jack is the only one that definitely wants back. Hurley has expressed regret for leaving (not quite the same as wanting to go back). Kate appears to have no interest thus far. Same with Sayid. If Jin is alive, then Sun definitely has a reason, but that a big if at this point.

uteotw

That's how I took it too, though that seems to be the minority view here.
Who knows...

Matthew Ackerly

No, Jins was definitely a flashback and hers was a flashforward,

check out the Lostpedia page... its a nice summary.

http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Ji_Yeon

treszoks

The problem with Jin staying on the island:

suziq999

I'm just not imaging any circumstance in which Jin would leave Sun. He said this episode he would never leave her...so I can't imagine that they would split for any reason. He didn't even care if the baby was his, he forgave her anyways. He's either not "allowed" to follow her for some reason, or he's toast.

Hurley made no sense in this episode to me. Sun asked if anyone else was coming...? Coming to what? It all was very strange. Sun finally putting the ring back on (after she has her pre-pregnancy body back) was odd, too. Something is amiss but in typical lost fashion, I have no idea what it was.

And I totally thought Ethan was going to pop out of the ER room and steal the baby or something. The looks the Dr gave the nurse were strange, indeed. That whole scene had "fishy" written all over it.

Matthew Ackerly

At the gravesite, It would have been cool if we got a "Carrie" moment and Jin's hand came out of the ground like he was a zombie.

Flave

As a matter of fact, I most certainly do. But my theory doesn't have any fans so we probably shouldn't go there.

rfduncan

Then why the tombstone with the crash date as the date of death?

DVD Josh

How appropriate:

At the beginning of its voyage, the Chancellor carried eight passengers and twenty crew members. By the end, only eleven people (five passengers and six crew) remained alive.

RoyalTea

It would be interesting to see Michael's back story between leaving the island and last night's episode.

I've always assumed that Ben gave Michael the boat and directions to "find rescue." I assumed that rescue meant the freighter.

But, if these people are after Ben, you'd think that they'd be sketpical about seeing Michael show up on a little boat in the middle of the Pacific Ocean without considering that he's been in contact with Ben.

It makes sense that they'd make him their janitor, but I question on how they'd let him access enough sensitive information to make a good spy.

Either there's a lot more that happened (ie, Michael and Walt were "rescued" by somebody else and the freighter people don't know he was an island refugee), or Michael isn't the spy on the freighter.

Shazam

I should say that it was a pretty good episode last night.

treszoks

Either the spoilers are wrong or they brought his dead body back I guess.

Flave

I think the most interesting reveal last night was that Ben is behind the Oceanic 815 staging. As many have mentioned, the resources required to pull this off are pretty extensive. So I wonder if Ben didn't use old "Smokey" to do all this: Smokey accumulated all the pieces and bodies of 815 from the island and then dropped them into the ocean. As for the remaining bodies, well I guess any old body'll do since it was pretty certain they would never recover them from that depth.

I'm with those who think that Jin is still on the island. Sun would not act the way she did during delivery if he was really dead. Her conversation at the grave is of a wife missing her husband -- dead or alive.

Which I thinks brings up a good question. It seems that Jack (or any of the Oceanic 6 for that matter) have no way to get back to the island. So, has the portal (or, as per my pet theory, wormhole) closed?

DVD Josh

DON'T TRUST THE CAPTAIN

Flave

Well of course Michael, who works for Ben, is going to say that isn't he?

Matthew Ackerly

So is Lapidus really headed back to the Island with the chopper? Or is the chopper going somewhere else?

Flave

Also, the Chancellor was at sea for four months. So, is the total island time going to be four months? Hmmmmm....

rfduncan

Whoa... wait a minute. You've gone off the deep end, buddy. We've seen the footage of 815 splitting in half, and Ben witnessing it from the Others' compound. If he'd planned the whole thing, he'd have been more ready than sending his ONLY surgeon Ethan to the survivors to blend in. Now if he planted evidence AFTER to make the survivors "vanish" that is another story. Not sure how Ben could manage that post-crash considering as everyone has stated that he's been quite busy as a captive by the survivors, undergoing serious back surgery, etc.

As far as "Smokey", we have seen pieces of the wrecked plane multiple times since the crash on the island.

Are we still following the original concept that everything that happens on the island can be explained by science?

DVD Josh

And what would Widmore say himself?

In a roomful of liars, who do you trust?

mkdevo

everyone is questioning how jin could separate from sun and stay on the island, but no one has mentioned jin's conversation with bernard, which was pretty much about the same thing (brenard being separated from rose). i think there's a pretty big tie there..

Flave

Pun intended?

Well exactly. He planted this AFTER the crash obviously.

As for Ben's abilities, how did he know that Faraday and what's-her-name were going to decommission his gas trap? How did Ben communicate with Juliet that he wanted them stopped? And how did he do all this while imprisoned by Locke? He obviously has resources at his disposal we know very little about. And Smokey/Jacob is obviously a big part of this.

And after season one, I don't recall ever seeing the wreckage on the beach except in a flashback.

And believe me, you're preaching to the choir when you bring up this show's "explained by science" canard.

Flave

Point taken. But it seems to me it's far more logical for Ben to do this than Widmore. Ben is obviously motivated to keep the island hidden by having the world think 815 crashed in the ocean and thus providing closure to that mystery. Why would Widmore go to all this trouble and expense?

pinata242

Care to elaborate?

Fact: the plane crashed on 9/22/2004

Fact: Normal human gestation is approximately 9 months or 37-38 weeks.

Fact: Juliet *told* Sun that conception occurred on the island. If this is true, and we have no reason not to believe it based on Juliet's concern for Sun & the baby, then we know that she is giving birth to Ji Yeon no sometime in mid-late 2005 (unless island time is drastically different from island real-world time and we we believe they are near-in-line based on Desmond's call to Penny on 12/24/2004).

Fact: Jin's tombstone said he died on 9/22/2004 - therefore the official line from Sun cannot include him as the biological father otherwise her gestation is upwards of 11 months and sure to raise an eyebrow or two.

Conclusion: Sun must be giving the name of someone else as the biological father of Ji Yeon in the real world, that is, if anyone cared to ask and I'm sure they would. After all, as far as the real world is concerned, it has to be one of the O6, right?

Michael Corvin

Wait... so Bernard is #6? ? ? ?

BravesMG

Good job on the explanation and timeline, a very good point you raise there.