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Son of Odin 02-29-08 01:14 AM

desmond-centric episodes are always the best and this one lived up to that. easily the best episode of the season. At least Penny knows that the island exists. the time travel bit was very well done. the love story between dez and penny really put all the other side stories in Lost to shame. their acting between each other is fascinating.

Shazam 02-29-08 01:16 AM

Interesting. Faraday also said that "The future can't be changed", but it seems that at the end, he did in fact change it with that nice note to himself.

Anyhoo, started watching this season after missing the last two. Seems that I didn't actually miss anything at all.

brocklanders 02-29-08 01:35 AM

If this episode was a movie unto itself then I would say its brilliant BUT in the context of the entire tv series it was ridiculous. The writers are just fucking with the viewers with no real solution in sight that would be plausible in the end.

First the black smoke monsters then Jacob and now time travel......

This show has officially "jumped the shark", as much as it pains me to admit it.

Son of Odin 02-29-08 01:45 AM


Originally Posted by firteen88
That's a good point. Since Desmond saw Farraday both in 1996 and 2004, couldn't he be Desmonds constant? Why did he need Penny?

The anchor, or constant that faraday referred to needed to be important. it had to be something special. I doubt the connection between dez and daniel was enough. I believe daniel goes to the island because of the meeting he had with dez in 1996 or maybe 2004 Daniel doesn't know nothing of desmond and he is a complete stranger to him so then he tells 2004 desmond that his 1996 version must meet up with daniel's 1996 version and when they meet and bam! new memories and notes appear to 2004 daniel instantly. complicating. I know.

chowderhead 02-29-08 01:50 AM


Originally Posted by crooksha
If Desmond is Faraday's constant, then why couldn't Faraday be Desmond's constant?

Desmond didn't remember who Sayid is or why he was on the helicopter. Later, he told Penny he was on a boat and an island. He did talk with Faraday in 2004 but maybe he doesn't remember meeting him in 2004 on the island and thus Faraday cannot be his constant.

hdtv00 02-29-08 02:15 AM

Now you seen why I been on this shows ass for sucking balls last two years, because THIS is what we were missing.

FUCKING BRAVO......

Son of Odin 02-29-08 02:18 AM


Originally Posted by chowderhead
Desmond didn't remember who Sayid is or why he was on the helicopter. Later, he told Penny he was on a boat and an island. He did talk with Faraday in 2004 but maybe he doesn't remember meeting him in 2004 on the island and thus Faraday cannot be his constant.

Bingo! he didn't know him enough to be his anchor to reality.

the big train 02-29-08 04:31 AM


Originally Posted by brocklanders
If this episode was a movie unto itself then I would say its brilliant BUT in the context of the entire tv series it was ridiculous.

This makes no sense to me. As far as I'm concerned, a good episode is a good episode. If it means we get 47 good episodes and a crappy finale... well, that's better than 47 boring episodes dedicated to answering viewers' questions just so we can have a good finale.



They really threw me for a loop with the ominous music over the reveal of Daniel's constant. For a minute there I was thinking the implication was that Daniel was up to something nefarious, but it's nice to know that it was just reaffirming Desmond's success.

It saddens me that this show spends so much time on that ridiculous Sawyer-Kate-Jack love triangle shit when the relationships of Jin & Sun and Penelope & Desmond are so much more enjoyable/dramatic/meaningful.

Rob V 02-29-08 06:00 AM

So does it seem possible that everyone gets rescued but most die from not having a constant? They then go into a seizure and die?

DVD Josh 02-29-08 06:01 AM


Originally Posted by Rob V
So does it seem possible that everyone gets rescued but most die from not having a constant? They then go into a seizure and die?

No. If everyone was rescued, why would Jack and Hurley be so desperate to get back to the Island, and why would Sayid have to protect his friends?

Neeb 02-29-08 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by Rob V
So does it seem possible that everyone gets rescued but most die from not having a constant? They then go into a seizure and die?

And there's the fact that Desmond had been exposed to the kind of radiation Faraday was talking about.
Locke would be in trouble.

Matthew Ackerly 02-29-08 07:17 AM

I guess we know now what "the sickness" was that killed Danielle's crew

Awesome episode. Fisher Stevens had a big part!

lotsofdvds 02-29-08 07:19 AM


Originally Posted by SuperBatMan
Desmond and Penny are the damn backbone of this show. Who knew this weird guy down in the hatch would mean so much to this show?

Well, Desmond is basically the only character on the show who's purely good (as far as we know). He has no horrific backstory, no evil side... he just had the misfortune of getting shipwrecked on the island and all he wants is to get back to his lady love.

However, I'm convinced that if he's ever reunited with Penny that they'll swerve us and make her evil too...

Red Dog 02-29-08 07:28 AM

This may have been the most bizarre episode of Lost I've ever seen and that's saying something. I have no fucking clue what's going on.

Wasn't there a statement by the producers in S1, that everything could be explained by real science? With everything they've piled up, that will be a real trick.

RoyalTea 02-29-08 07:32 AM

While watching the show, I was wondering if Desmond's odd behavior in the military as he travelled back in time had anything to do with his court martial and incarceration.

A-aron 02-29-08 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by RoyalTea
While watching the show, I was wondering if Desmond's odd behavior in the military as he travelled back in time had anything to do with his court martial and incarceration.

Well, considering that he had to leave camp to meet Faraday, he likely would have been AWOL. That could be the reason for his court martial.

Goldberg74 02-29-08 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by Rogue588
-eek-

The doctor from the freighter is on Eli Stone right now...in HAWAII.

I was thinking the same thing. ;)

lotsofdvds 02-29-08 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by achau9598
Well, considering that he had to leave camp to meet Faraday, he likely would have been AWOL. That could be the reason for his court martial.

He told Penny that he had a two day pass.

Palaver 02-29-08 08:08 AM


Originally Posted by achau9598
Well, considering that he had to leave camp to meet Faraday, he likely would have been AWOL. That could be the reason for his court martial.

I was thinking the same thing


Originally Posted by lotsofdvds
He told Penny that he had a two day pass.

He might have made that up to not seem to be too unstable to Penny.

enrage 02-29-08 08:23 AM

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DVD Josh 02-29-08 08:28 AM

I've been thinking more about the calender on the freighter. It's been tracking the days since the plane crash. Therefore, I think it's not tracking what day it is in the real world but ON THE ISLAND. Given the time shifts we've seen so far, it's the only thing that makes sense, since clearly the freighter is not within the island's zone of temporal influence (man does that sound geeky).

RichC2 02-29-08 08:29 AM


Originally Posted by brocklanders
If this episode was a movie unto itself then I would say its brilliant BUT in the context of the entire tv series it was ridiculous. The writers are just fucking with the viewers with no real solution in sight that would be plausible in the end.

First the black smoke monsters then Jacob and now time travel......

This show has officially "jumped the shark", as much as it pains me to admit it.

So a black smoke monster and ghostly character with a shifting cabin are okay, and even knowing the future is fine, but time tripping for an episode isn't? meh. There are quite a few ways to account for most of these things, how good they are will vary but if the series ever jumped the shark, it was in the season 2 finale.

Groucho 02-29-08 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by Red Dog
Wasn't there a statement by the producers in S1, that everything could be explained by real science? With everything they've piled up, that will be a real trick.

They've since distanced themselves from that remark.

This episode was the weakest of the season, brother. The only thing that saved it was that the guy who plays Desmond is (arguably) the best actor on the show.

It was funny to see Faraday circa 1996. Jeffrey Davies looked NOTHING like that back then (think Spanking the Monkey or Saving Private Ryan). :lol: He's actually a good actor too.

DVD Josh 02-29-08 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by Groucho
They've since distanced themselves from that remark.

This episode was the weakest of the season, brother. The only thing that saved it was that the guy who plays Desmond is (arguably) the best actor on the show.

It was funny to see Faraday circa 1996. Jeffrey Davies looked NOTHING like that back then (think Spanking the Monkey or Saving Private Ryan). :lol: He's actually a good actor too.

You are pretty much the only person in this thread who thought it was a weak episode. Not only that, but to think it's worse than the mess of last week, you just had your "Can't Wait" privileges revoked.

RichC2 02-29-08 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by DVD Josh
You are pretty much the only person in this thread who thought it was a weak episode. Not only that, but to think it's worse than the mess of last week, you just had your "Can't Wait" privileges revoked.

Last week wasn't a mess, it was just a bore.


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