It became apparent in this episode that they are having a very hard time reconciling the tv series to the first two films. I am not sure how much more of the mistakes and omissions I can take. I want to like the show, really I do but they are losing me, fast.

This is actually the one part of the show that Im growing tiresome of... We get it, they are distrusting of her. But in T2, Sarah got over all of the animosity and every week its some new "I hate you robot" type scenario.

True that in that episode they were no where close to winning. That is rather odd. I guess maybe that timelines and such got so screwed up, hence (among other things) no T3.

Also, Cameron seems to be acting more human lately. She got her feelings hurt when she was called a freaky robot. And she disobeyed commands by salvaging a piece of the Terminator.

So? It’s still a loose end just left there. A fully intact and functional Terminator!! I found that fairly odd. It would have made more sense if they threw a bomb in there.

I guess there's just too many quirks in this show

Not too shabby

Not to nitpick, but her "commands" or programming came from the future John Connor. I am not sure she will do what Sarah says under certain circumstances.

Unless there is something wrong with her, I believe that she is doing exactly as she was instructed.

Well technically it should also come from the present John Conner. Cause in T2 Arnold obeyed John. And I presume John would also want her to destroy that Terminator.

Though I still can’t get over leaving a perfectly functional and intact Terminator in a warehouse

He didn't say "John says" though

Did I miss something? I thought he went back in time with Reese #2.

it's a TV show based on a bunch of action movies that were only made to make money with no artistic quality to them. T1 was pretty close to a B movie. when you think about it, the whole story starting with T1 has no logic to it. computers were new in the early 1980's and this was a way to play up on people's fears of them

There is really no overwhelming need for reconciliation between the two continuities.

Here's what happened in diagram form:

Past-------------------------------------------------------Future

Reese fathers John, that's all we know --------- Arnold and Reese sent back (could have been others, we don't know).**

T1 ----(Stuff Happened) ---- Arnold, Arnold 2, Arnold 3, Reese, T-1000, T-X sent back

T1' --- T2 --- T3 --- Arnold, Arnold 2, Reese, T-1000, Cameron, Cromartie, resistance, other ancillary characters sent back

T1'' --- T2' --- Pilot --- (T3 doesn't happen) --- Season 1 T:SCC --- Undetermined future ***

T1', T2, T3 are the films we saw in the theaters.
We don't know how T1" and T2' differ from what we saw in the theaters, but we assume the differences are superficial.
Thus, future** != future***

I don't disagree, most tv shows cater to the lowest common denominator. I was only suggesting that some fans might be turned off by any lack of continuity. I would be one of those.

Nope, Cameron already said she takes orders from future John not present John. When Sarah says "Aren't they the same?" Cameron says "Not Yet".

He did. As we saw a few episodes ago, everyone who went back in time with him was killed by a terminator who was playing opossum until the Connors showed up (though presumably he was waiting for Reese).


T2 is inconsistant with T1 for Chrissake! Kyle said it was a last-ditch effort and that the time machine was to be destroyed right after he went through. Yet the T1000 and then Arnold followed in T2 and the war was clearly still progressing...

You could blame it on any number of things....

Kyle was overly-optimistic about their chances.

Skynet rallied an offensive that repelled the humans.

Kyle was boasting bravado that Sarah couldn't possibly confirm to help him get laid.


OR - most likely - It was a throw-away line in what was essentially a run-away-hit-B-movie that had no intention of every spawning a sequel, but was so successful, that when CGI was getting off the ground Cameron saw a cool way to revitalize the franchise and just said, "fuck it" with regards to that one line.

Jesus H Fucking Christ, some of you sound like those continuity nerds who have five hundred competing theories on how Khan recognized Chekov. It's a TV show based on a movie which was based on a movie. Sometimes there are continuity hiccups to allow the progression of the story. Consider it the charm of a continuing artistic-expression-in-progress.


-Doc

Everyone needs to realize that the continuity of the Terminator franchise is that the continuity is always changing. Every time someone or thing is sent back in time it disrupts events and changes how future events occur, when they occur, or whether they even occur. So instead of the approach to time travel in some movies where everything has already happened and the trips to the past are already a part of the timeline, the Terminator series seems to be more of the timeline is not necessarily set and each time a given future sends something back, it causes a branch that may or may not result in the same events happening... creation of skynet and the need to send someone else back. The whole goal of people being sent back is to stop skynet from even being created, which will essentially be a whopper of a time paradox. Where will your continuity be then?

Statement of the day!

I missed the first part of the episode and am pretty confused as to what happened.

Who exactly was the guy who young John Conner was giving blood to in today's time, and what was his story? Was he the one who was in prison in the future and who wa tattooed at that time by the robot? Was he the one who killed in the present one of the future creaters of Skynet (the one who was in prison in the future)?

Who was the guy who was dressed like a mailman or delivery man and what was his story?

What are the present day John Conner and Sarah Conner trying to achieve in the present, with the help of Cameron. Are they trying to just stay alive, are they trying to track down the creators of Skynet, or something else?

Feel free to toss in anything else. I am familiar with the three Terminator movies and I've seen each of the Sarah Conner Chronicles episodes to date, but as I said I missed the first fifteen minutes or so of this episode and am greatly confused. And how did Khan recognize Chekov?

Kyle Reese' brother, his story was shown in this and the previous episodes. Yes. Yes. Sarah's ex-boyfriend/father figure to John who was dressed as an EMT (see pilot episode). The goal is to stop Skynet from going online. Yes, they are trying to stay alive, track down the creators of Skynet, amongst other things. I don't know, science fiction is for nerds.

Repeat to yourselves 'its just a show, I should really just relax'

Exactly...

I was thinking that too, but I just read in EW that they are coming out with a future John Connor movie in 2009 starring Christian Bale. Sweet!

The parts from T2 were Arnie's from T1. I'm not sure what you mean.

They screwed up the blood transfusion part too. If Sarah is 0 negative, then John can't be AB-, I don't think.

Going back in time changed the events in the future.

You can certainly lump me in with that crowd. I want to like the show, and I keep giving it chances, but I just can't get behind it. From the characters' total lack of charisma, to the continuity issues, to the going-in-circles dialog, it's just not working for me.

I agree that they are from Arnold's Terminator in T1. The person I was replying to was saying that the left hand and the chip that Cameron pulled from the terminator were the pieces in question. Reread the person I quoted in my original post.............