Yup. If you remember in the first movie, we saw an old-style terminator attack the tunnels Kyle was in while looking at Sarah's picture. I think we're meant to assume that this all went down while Derrick was being tortured or whatever in the music room.

In the scene from the first movie, the picture gets burned up as the flashback ends. I guess we're meant to assume that after that terminator was dispatched, Kyle took what was left of the picture and put it in his footlocker for safe-keeping while he went with John to the Time Machine.



-Doc

I don't get the confusion here. It all seemed pretty clear cut if you can recall the events of the first movie. Kyle is given Sarah's photo by his unbeknown to him son John Connor while the machines are building the first time machine. The humans attack the complex and Connor sends Kyle through to get the ball rolling but doesn't blab to everyone else that that's what he's doing. A little later he sends B team through to set up a safe house. By now Reese #2 thinks he knows that fellow soldier Andy is one of the original SkyNet programmers so he decides to go off the reservation and kill him while he's in the past.

I was very skeptical of this show at first but I have to admit that the storyline is moving along at a good clip.

That's my problem. It's been a long time since I've seen T1 and T2.

Good episode.

My take on the secrecy is that John is keeping a lid on the information to protect his father. The more people who know that information, the more likely it is that Skynet will send a terminator back to kill Kyle's parents, Kyle, etc.

Note that last night it was made clear that that Cameron was unaware of Kyle's relationship to John. Sarah also firmly reminded John that he should not tell Derek that he is John's Uncle.

Which is why it was so dumb (and hypocritical) for Sarah to tell Dean Winters. He's already signing his wife's (and probably his own) death warrant by helping them... giving him info that could end up in Cromarty's hands is dangerous and irresponsible.


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Didn't Reese tell Sarah last episode that he was going to kill Andy but Andy was already dead when he got there? Why lie?

Regarding Cameron building another Terminator, why would she do that when she just finished burning a perfectly good one? Also, why not burn the skin, also?

The interesting part of the episode was figuring out that the leftover parts of the terminator Cameron destroyed are the same two parts that allowed Cyberdyne Systems to originally develop the Skynet System in T2 - the computer chip (although this one was complete) and the one hand/forearm segment.

Not to mention that Sarah gave Cameron the hard sell that every last microchip must be destroyed... gotta wonder if the realization that this includes her as well is affecting Cameron at all. T2 Arnold seemed to take this as a matter of course, but Cameron's a little more self-realized at times, it seems.



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Awesome to see that Bubbles is

But to go through all that only to get clipped by a T-888 on some dusty wharehouse floor!?



-Doc

The entire show should've been set in the future. Obviously, they didn't want to do that since they want to make the movies, but this show would've been far more interesting.

Yeah, that's how I remember it too Jeeden; It was the flashback scene where he's in the bunker and the terminator comes in with the dogs barking.

In fact, when they showed the bunker in last night's episode, I immediately saw the dogs and thought it was an awesome touch. Best thing about this show is how close to the storylines the writers have gone.

Kyle could not have taken the photo to the past cause you apparently can’t take anything with you when you time travel.

One thing I don't get, why did Derek lie about killing Andy.

My take is that since it wasn't part of his original orders and he did it on his own he would rather his future boss not know about it. I doubt it was a throwaway plot point so I'm sure his actions will come back to haunt him in some future episode.

This was my thought during the episode: instead of Sarah Connor, call the show John Connor Chronicles and every episode is split between present day and the future (too Lost, maybe?). There's plenty of story to fill in between Judgment Day, John's rise as a leader, and the expected eventual victory over the machines.

I think we were meant to believe that but I don't think it's the case. There are two things wrong with the parts that we see.

1.) In T2 it's left hand and part of the arm. In the show it's JUST the left hand

2.) This chip is still intact.

I think the show is going to feed us stuff like this from time to time (assuming it makes it passed the first season) and we'll buy it but then they'll pull the rug out from under us.

Another thing. If they're so hell bent of destroying every last part, what about that Terminator that was guarding all that metal for the endoskeletons? Seems to me like they just left him all locked up!!

This was all right, since no one could get in and he could not get out. John took the key with him when he escaped.

The interesting thing from the last episode is why Cameron kept the microchip. Of course they made it look sinister, but I believe the answer to the question was given in this episode as well - Cameron was a lead developer in reprogamming the machines. So if she had a 10 year head start on examining the chip, it would be logical she is one that figured out how to do it.

Maybe she lied, she wasn't reprogrammed, but doesn't want to tell that to the Connors because they may just give up.I don't know.

So? One of these days the building may get demolished?? Earthquake maybe? SOMETHING? If you want all traces gone then you can't just leave it there! I find it weird they're worried about a hand when there's a fully functional machine locked in an army base.

Wasn't the whole point of the Terminators using the base because they knew it wouldn't be disturbed and would survive Judgment Day, thus providing them with the metal they needed. So, therefore, no demolised, earthquake, etc. to be concerned over.

I just read through all the comments a second time and I have to say WTF is wrong with you guys who thought this episode was boring? I thought it was probably the best episode of the season so far. If you have seen the movies (1,2) recently (I watched them before I started watching the show for a refresher) Then you shouldn't have had a hard time following this episode at all. The only thing I found a bit on the cheesy side was that Andy Goode hadn't aged a day.

Also, did anyone else feel bad for Cameron when Sarah was being a total bitch to her? :(

it was an underground cavern they stored the metal in with nuclear blast doors. it's earthquake proof

what i don't get is in T1 Kyle said that they had broken into skynet's defense perimeter and had pretty much defeated skynet which is why it sent the terminator back in time as a last hope. in monday's episode they are no where close to winning