"Neilsen Suprise" - New Processking Option sends Nets into a tizzy
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"Neilsen Surprise" - New Processing Option sends Nets into a tizzy
Interesting article in the Washington Post today:
So kind of sneaky. Why wait so long to "reveal it"? The networks knew about it for a while. NBC successfully got in with the new program. Thing that sucks is ABC cannot help Desperate Housewives by airing it on Saturday (like they have done in the past). Also House re-airs on the Friday of the NEXT week on USA (who knows if the ads remain the same). I was wondering why there seemed to be a lot of "replays" (like CW's Reaper which re-airs tonight) so soon after the initial airing. Now I know why! So not only does the additional rating get dumped in with the initial, but the slot it re-airs in vanishes from the week!
So what do you think?
Nielsen Surprise: Network Ratings May Be Higher Than They Appear
By Lisa de Moraes
Thursday, September 27, 2007; Page C07
One day into the new television season, all hell broke loose in Hollywood over a change in ratings calculations by Nielsen Media Research.
It all started with NBC's second-season debut of "Heroes" on Monday. Did you see NBC's second-season debut of "Heroes"? Well, technically, it's not finished airing yet. NBC will rerun that very episode on Saturday. And because it will have the exact same national commercials -- Nissan was/is the episode's sole sponsor -- Nielsen will take the new Saturday viewers, add them to the show's Monday average and give the Monday "Heroes" a brand-spanking-new rating.
Meanwhile, the Saturday "Heroes" broadcast will vanish in the Land of Nielsen. In fact, Saturday at 8 p.m. on NBC will not exist for this, Premiere Week of the 2007-08 TV season.
Remember how last fall NBC announced its "NBC 2.0" initiative, in which the network said it would broadcast low-cost reality programming in the 8 p.m. hour across the week because the economics of its 8 o'clock ratings didn't merit spending the big bucks on scripted programming?
This is way better.
And it gets better still. Those Saturday "Heroes" viewers also will be used to refigure the network's average for the whole of Monday night.
And with Saturday, NBC's lowest-rated night of the week, now one hour shorter, that, too, will help goose NBC's weekly average for the kickoff week of the season.
And there's more!
Had NBC opted to rerun the "Heroes" season debut with the same Nissan ads on, say, its Sci Fi cable channel, those Sci Fi viewers also would be added to "Heroes" Monday average on NBC, NBC's average for all of Monday night and its average for Premiere Week.
Now, before you roast a peacock in effigy, let's make one thing perfectly clear: NBC is doing nothing out of bounds here. Over the summer, TV ratings wrangler Nielsen let the broadcast networks know about this "new processing option."
Network number crunchers who received the word from Nielsen notified their bosses, whose eyes glazed over. (Except, it would appear, at NBC.) Nielsen folks note this model is not unlike the way Nielsen processes ratings for syndicated programming.
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With one important distinction.
In the Nielsen New Processing Option 2.0, the series episode's first broadcast and its second have to have aired in a single calendar week.
This is easy to accomplish if the series airs, oh, say, Monday.
It is likewise not possible to accomplish with a show that airs, oh, say, Sunday, the end of the Nielsen week.
Here's probably a good place to mention that NBC has no Sunday series for the first part of the TV season -- it has football.
ABC, on the other hand, airs three of its more important series on Sunday: "Desperate Housewives," "Brothers & Sisters" and "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition." Sadly, none of them can take advantage of the Nielsen New Processing Option 2.0.
Neither can CBS's new "Viva Laughlin" or returning "Cold Case" or "Shark" -- all on Sunday.
It would seem that Nielsen New Processing Option 2.0 puts shows that air on Sunday night at a disadvantage.
This is, of course, of no concern to NBC, which is playing strictly by Nielsen's rules.
NBC research chief Alan Wurtzel notes, as did execs at other broadcast networks, that getting a bunch of advertisers to all agree to buy the exact same ad time in two broadcasts of one episode in a week is very hard to accomplish and unlikely -- at least this season -- to become a regular occurrence.
(CBS plans to rerun its "Cane" premiere on Saturday and ABC will re-air next Wednesday's "Pushing Daisies" unveiling on Oct. 5, but in both cases the advertisers for the second airing will be different.)
"This was a very special arrangement," Wurtzel told The TV Column of the "Heroes" debut. "The idea that you are able to financially do this on a regular basis seems very impractical."
On the other hand, Wurtzel said, the new option better reflects the way people watch television in "the contemporary media environment."
Nielsen thinks so, too. "It really is part of the ongoing change in the way people watch television and our need to be able to capture and report all of that," Nielsen Vice President Anne Elliot told The TV Column.
Wurtzel wondered why the other networks were crying foul when they've known about Nielsen New Processing Option 2.0 for weeks. Execs at the other networks say it's because they did not know NBC planned to take advantage of NNPO 2.0 until the very last second -- and in Premiere Week, no less.
Also, Nielsen did not notify The Reporters Who Cover Television of this change until Tuesday morning as they were waiting eagerly to see how various shows, including "Heroes," fared on the first night of the TV season.
"The first program to take advantage of this new processing option is 'Heroes' on NBC-TV which aired on Monday September 24, 2007," Nielsen said in its news release announcing the new option, sent to the media on Tuesday September 25, 2007.
How "Heroes" did compared with its first-season unveiling last September, according to early stats, was flat among all viewers (14.1 million, for second place in the hour behind ABC's "Dancing With the Stars") and up 10 percent in the 18-49 demographic that NBC targets, trouncing all time-slot competitors.
Sadly, that got lost in the media's rush to make what-the-heck? calls to Nielsen, to NBC and to the other broadcast networks to find out about this "new processing option."
Meanwhile, over at the other networks, kerfuffle erupted. A regularly scheduled conference call between ABC execs and Nielsen suits turned into a shoutfest. Fox fired off a strongly worded letter to Nielsen yesterday, saying what-the-heck? and reminding it that when Nielsen sent word of this new processing option it said "it is important to note that broadcast networks do not usually repeat program episodes with the same commercials within the same weekly measurement interval."
There's always next season.
By Lisa de Moraes
Thursday, September 27, 2007; Page C07
One day into the new television season, all hell broke loose in Hollywood over a change in ratings calculations by Nielsen Media Research.
It all started with NBC's second-season debut of "Heroes" on Monday. Did you see NBC's second-season debut of "Heroes"? Well, technically, it's not finished airing yet. NBC will rerun that very episode on Saturday. And because it will have the exact same national commercials -- Nissan was/is the episode's sole sponsor -- Nielsen will take the new Saturday viewers, add them to the show's Monday average and give the Monday "Heroes" a brand-spanking-new rating.
Meanwhile, the Saturday "Heroes" broadcast will vanish in the Land of Nielsen. In fact, Saturday at 8 p.m. on NBC will not exist for this, Premiere Week of the 2007-08 TV season.
Remember how last fall NBC announced its "NBC 2.0" initiative, in which the network said it would broadcast low-cost reality programming in the 8 p.m. hour across the week because the economics of its 8 o'clock ratings didn't merit spending the big bucks on scripted programming?
This is way better.
And it gets better still. Those Saturday "Heroes" viewers also will be used to refigure the network's average for the whole of Monday night.
And with Saturday, NBC's lowest-rated night of the week, now one hour shorter, that, too, will help goose NBC's weekly average for the kickoff week of the season.
And there's more!
Had NBC opted to rerun the "Heroes" season debut with the same Nissan ads on, say, its Sci Fi cable channel, those Sci Fi viewers also would be added to "Heroes" Monday average on NBC, NBC's average for all of Monday night and its average for Premiere Week.
Now, before you roast a peacock in effigy, let's make one thing perfectly clear: NBC is doing nothing out of bounds here. Over the summer, TV ratings wrangler Nielsen let the broadcast networks know about this "new processing option."
Network number crunchers who received the word from Nielsen notified their bosses, whose eyes glazed over. (Except, it would appear, at NBC.) Nielsen folks note this model is not unlike the way Nielsen processes ratings for syndicated programming.
ad_icon
With one important distinction.
In the Nielsen New Processing Option 2.0, the series episode's first broadcast and its second have to have aired in a single calendar week.
This is easy to accomplish if the series airs, oh, say, Monday.
It is likewise not possible to accomplish with a show that airs, oh, say, Sunday, the end of the Nielsen week.
Here's probably a good place to mention that NBC has no Sunday series for the first part of the TV season -- it has football.
ABC, on the other hand, airs three of its more important series on Sunday: "Desperate Housewives," "Brothers & Sisters" and "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition." Sadly, none of them can take advantage of the Nielsen New Processing Option 2.0.
Neither can CBS's new "Viva Laughlin" or returning "Cold Case" or "Shark" -- all on Sunday.
It would seem that Nielsen New Processing Option 2.0 puts shows that air on Sunday night at a disadvantage.
This is, of course, of no concern to NBC, which is playing strictly by Nielsen's rules.
NBC research chief Alan Wurtzel notes, as did execs at other broadcast networks, that getting a bunch of advertisers to all agree to buy the exact same ad time in two broadcasts of one episode in a week is very hard to accomplish and unlikely -- at least this season -- to become a regular occurrence.
(CBS plans to rerun its "Cane" premiere on Saturday and ABC will re-air next Wednesday's "Pushing Daisies" unveiling on Oct. 5, but in both cases the advertisers for the second airing will be different.)
"This was a very special arrangement," Wurtzel told The TV Column of the "Heroes" debut. "The idea that you are able to financially do this on a regular basis seems very impractical."
On the other hand, Wurtzel said, the new option better reflects the way people watch television in "the contemporary media environment."
Nielsen thinks so, too. "It really is part of the ongoing change in the way people watch television and our need to be able to capture and report all of that," Nielsen Vice President Anne Elliot told The TV Column.
Wurtzel wondered why the other networks were crying foul when they've known about Nielsen New Processing Option 2.0 for weeks. Execs at the other networks say it's because they did not know NBC planned to take advantage of NNPO 2.0 until the very last second -- and in Premiere Week, no less.
Also, Nielsen did not notify The Reporters Who Cover Television of this change until Tuesday morning as they were waiting eagerly to see how various shows, including "Heroes," fared on the first night of the TV season.
"The first program to take advantage of this new processing option is 'Heroes' on NBC-TV which aired on Monday September 24, 2007," Nielsen said in its news release announcing the new option, sent to the media on Tuesday September 25, 2007.
How "Heroes" did compared with its first-season unveiling last September, according to early stats, was flat among all viewers (14.1 million, for second place in the hour behind ABC's "Dancing With the Stars") and up 10 percent in the 18-49 demographic that NBC targets, trouncing all time-slot competitors.
Sadly, that got lost in the media's rush to make what-the-heck? calls to Nielsen, to NBC and to the other broadcast networks to find out about this "new processing option."
Meanwhile, over at the other networks, kerfuffle erupted. A regularly scheduled conference call between ABC execs and Nielsen suits turned into a shoutfest. Fox fired off a strongly worded letter to Nielsen yesterday, saying what-the-heck? and reminding it that when Nielsen sent word of this new processing option it said "it is important to note that broadcast networks do not usually repeat program episodes with the same commercials within the same weekly measurement interval."
There's always next season.
So what do you think?
Last edited by rfduncan; 09-27-07 at 04:36 PM.
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Needs more bold.
I skimmed it and I don't see the problem of multiple airings adding to a weekly total. The only problem is what you mentioned, disappearing timeslots.
I skimmed it and I don't see the problem of multiple airings adding to a weekly total. The only problem is what you mentioned, disappearing timeslots.
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Originally Posted by rfduncan
Interesting article in the Washington Post today:
So kind of sneaky. Why wait so long to "reveal it"? The networks knew about it for a while. NBC successfully got in with the new program. Thing that sucks is ABC cannot help Desperate Housewives by airing it on Saturday (like they have done in the past). Also House re-airs on the Friday of the NEXT week on USA (who knows if the ads remain the same). I was wondering why there seemed to be a lot of "replays" (like CW's Reaper which re-airs tonight) so soon after the initial airing. Now I know why! So not only does the additional rating get dumped in with the initial, but the slot it re-airs in vanishes from the week!
So what do you think?
So kind of sneaky. Why wait so long to "reveal it"? The networks knew about it for a while. NBC successfully got in with the new program. Thing that sucks is ABC cannot help Desperate Housewives by airing it on Saturday (like they have done in the past). Also House re-airs on the Friday of the NEXT week on USA (who knows if the ads remain the same). I was wondering why there seemed to be a lot of "replays" (like CW's Reaper which re-airs tonight) so soon after the initial airing. Now I know why! So not only does the additional rating get dumped in with the initial, but the slot it re-airs in vanishes from the week!
So what do you think?
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Seems this brings them one step closer to actually using DVR (not just TIVO) users.
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Originally Posted by Cusm
Seems this brings them one step closer to actually using DVR (not just TIVO) users.
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Originally Posted by rfduncan
Now see THAT would be the best "improvement". I know tons of people who waits weeks to watch some shows (Heroes and LOST for example). Why Neilsen can't figure out what people are recording via their DVR's scheduling programs is beyond me!
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Originally Posted by Groucho
Quite frankly, they can figure this out -- but they don't care. Nielsen is hired by advertisers, so they aren't interested in DVR users (who, typically, don't watch the advertising).
If a show gets good ratings, it sticks around and potentially gets a bigger audience. Advertisers surely realize that DVRs are hardly the dominant method of watching television or they'd stop relying on it as a viable marketing medium.
Last edited by rfduncan; 09-27-07 at 10:15 AM.
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I worked for Nielsen about 2 years ago, and at that time, "time shifted viewing" (their term for DVR) was almost complete. So yeah, if DVRs aren't already being included, I know there are definite plans to include it in the near future (I'm too lazy to google it right now). I'm not sure where people are getting the idea that Nielsen is going to completely ignore DVRs.
You're right, though, there were very strict stipulations associated with the time shifted viewing. It was a little convoluted, much like this whole Heroes thing. I can't remember exactly which timeframes they broke out, but I think it would note whether the user watched it live day, within 24 hours, or "live+7" (aka, the same week). At least I think those were the timeframes. I can't remember. So if you DVR'd something and watched it two weeks later, it definitely wouldn't be counted.
You're right, though, there were very strict stipulations associated with the time shifted viewing. It was a little convoluted, much like this whole Heroes thing. I can't remember exactly which timeframes they broke out, but I think it would note whether the user watched it live day, within 24 hours, or "live+7" (aka, the same week). At least I think those were the timeframes. I can't remember. So if you DVR'd something and watched it two weeks later, it definitely wouldn't be counted.
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How are they able to tell if I record something and watch it relatively soon, or just delete it without watching?
I would think that the best option for advertisers is two numbers, one that shows the number that watch it live, and another than shows the number of people that recorded it (and watch it, if they can tell that).
I would think that the best option for advertisers is two numbers, one that shows the number that watch it live, and another than shows the number of people that recorded it (and watch it, if they can tell that).
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How are they able to tell if I record something and watch it relatively soon, or just delete it without watching?
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Hmmm, the first thing I noticed in this was the misspelling of three words in the thread title that are all correctly spelled in the pasted article. How does someone do that? And why do admins here never correct spelling? And why does this crap bug me?
(And, oh, what's this about? Oh yeah, that's right - Nielsen ratings!)
(And, oh, what's this about? Oh yeah, that's right - Nielsen ratings!)




