Yeah, I noticed that too. That's a huge plot weakness because it makes Veronica look both dumb and like a terrible detective.

I didn't think that was as bad because Leo sold it for a selfless reason. Besides, after firing some deputies last week, Sheriff Mars needs qualified new hires ASAP.

Pretty weak episode I thought. The fact that there's no season-long mystery arc really hurts this show i feel...now should be the time in the season where every episode gets more intense. There's NONE of that feeling now

It has happened to me for Supernatural. Just watch it here. If anything you get fewer commercials! And since we all know this may be one of the last new episodes, you definitely should catch it before it gets replaced on their site next week. CW is certainly good about posting their episodes online - gotta give 'em that.

And don't think Vinnie wont use that in his campaign - "Sheriff Mars can't protect this town! He's fired half the officers and has failed to replace any of them!"

Not the best episode mystery-wise, but it was obviously there to further the Verznarski (or is it Stosh-ica or PizVer or VePi or PiVe?) story. I realize that Logan's enterprise was a little silly for a class project, but that professor was just being an asshole.

I can sort of understand Mac's attraction to Max (Mac & Max?), but I'm sorry Bronson is such a total hotty. Use him up and then go back to Max - who's friends are still trying to fake him out to hook up with hookers.

I'm no lawyer, but don't you think the district attorney who failed to get a murder conviction of Aaron Echolls because (at least in part) key evidence in the care of the sheriff's department had suddenly disappeared would be real keen on seeing the responible party back in law enforcement? Now, I suppose Sheriff Lamb might have been able to keep the real reason for Deputy Leo's departure from the department hush-hush, but he didn't seem to me to be the kind of stand-up guy willing to take ultimate responsibility for his subordinates' actions. If Vinnie Van Lowe is looking for a wedge campaign issue, what's better -- an acting sheriff who fires a deputy for not doing his job properly or an acting sheriff who rehires a deputy that committed a crime in the line of duty less than a year ago?

I was originally dreading these 'mini-mysteries' but I must say, after the last two weeks, which I thought were both damn good (this week moreso) I like the new format. I honestly was starting to feel worn out by Veronica earlier this season. I thought the plotting of the big mystery archs were kind of ho-hum and bordering on lazy, not to mention Veronica and a few other characters acting like total morons, just to further stretch out the overall archs... I think these mini archs though work better because I've always been more interested in the characters, the sharp dialogue etc. rather than the plot twists and turns...so I'll take an episode like last nights over some of the previous S3 ones anyday. Paul Rudd was hilarious.

Two weeks ago, I would have said if Veronica got axed, I'd have been a bit ticked, but no big deal. Now that the show is drawing me back in, I hope the CW gives it a chance (in either this or the new fbi incarnation) or I will be pissed off.

I agree 100%

I think we need to see what Keith is going to have Leo do before we get too caught up in the whole evidence thing. If he's going to be out there writing traffic tickets or watching school crossings, I'm okay with the hire. Surely Keith has improved the security, seeing as how he and Veronica used just about every trick in the book to great effect during Lamb's tenure.

I don't know if this is the right place to post this, but since there was already talk of the next season here we go...this just adds a bit more to the previous post about the potential 4th season.

http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristi...6-26000ef03771

They "went a little ape s--t over it."

This is what one CW insider tells me regarding the season-four presentation of Veronica Mars, whose fate is currently being decided by the green network.

According to multiple sources connected to the network, VM mastermind Rob Thomas’ pitch for next season was very well received, and CW prez Dawn Ostroff seemed particularly smitten with the concept for "FBI Veronica."

The concept for "FBI Veronica" (for you who missed the memo) is to fast forward Veronica four years into the future, beyond her graduation from college and into the world of the FBI, where she will be a fledgling agent. The CW also has the option of picking up Veronica in its current format, with our favorite sleuthy coed starting her second year at Hearst College.

Now, you may have heard that the FBI version of Veronica would retain only one current cast member—Miss Kristen Bell—which, of course, would give us fans good reason to scream bloody murder. But wait! Before you waste your vocal cords, I should tell you that when Rob Thomas was here as a special guest for my Vine show, he told me that although Chris Lowell (Piz) has committed to the Grey’s spinoff, Jason Dohring (Logan) is under contract for season four and that he "can’t imagine doing the show without him or Enrico [Colantoni, aka Daddy Mars] involved in some way."



I hate the idea of Logan coming back, his character is tired and boring now.

He says that like anyone cares what happens to Piz

Hell, what about Parker? I've over here biting my nails!

I've heard that the Grey's Anatomy spin-off wasn't well-received, so Chris might be free to do a fourth season.

I don't get how many people are giving such negative opinions of Wallace, Piss (Rudd told me to write that), Logan, etc.

I'm sorry, whether it's Thomas' fault or too many notes from the CW, they simply have done a terrible job with this cast and where they've gone with the cast over the past 2 years.

Other than Veronica, no one really hasn't been wasted in some way. There have been too many characters, the characters they have had have been used poorly, and the ones who have worked (MAC) have been severely under-used.

It's amazing how much I still enjoy this show and while Kristen is clearly nice to look at, it's Veronica that I keep tuning in for.

I think Logan is definately someone who belongs in the Veronica universe, same with Keith, and the same with Mac. I would love to see them all carry over, but only Keith would be a giant loss. However, if they finally started focusing on tighter scripts and sticking with the same characters and not having people go from good to bad to good again over and over, then Logan would certainly have a place if Mr. Thomas thinks he belongs. Logan has always, at the core, looked after Veronica and they need to leave things that way if they keep him. Enough with the brooding and the swings towards being evil Logan that keep happening just when I'm starting to really like the character.

I, for one, am very excited that the head of the CW is, at the very least, very excited about FBI Veronica. I can't say this lady has done even a half way decent job with her network, but bringing FBI Veronica back in the fall would guarantee her one more viewer (me) to her network where I might possibly see a new show that I'd never see if Veronica doesn't come back. Because if the Veronica doesn't come back, I won't be watching the CW. Not a protest, just nothing else there that I would watch.

Last nights ratings: 1.4/2
I was hoping last week's 1.6/2 was a fluke due to the long break, but unfortunately it's not.


On the FBI front, why is it the one character I was looking forward to ditching is the only one under contract?

I have to give Dawn Ostroff respect since she's rallied around VM since the beginning.

I hate it when shows try and shoe-horn characters in beyond their relevance, which it kinda feels that way with Logan. JD is a great actor, yet I would find it more interesting if they found someone else to make Veronica miserable for a while. Hopefully if they get a season 4 and they do bring him back they'll give him more to do than just be a dick to Veronica until they brake up. Other than Mac and obviously Keith, I really don't care if the rest of them come back, not that I don't like them, it's just not something I would miss if there was a 4th.

You mean SHE, Kirsten from E-Online wrote that. I wrote the last line about Logan. There's a link.

The show lost the 2nd biggest TV market (LA) last night because of a fire.

If that didn't happen, it probably would have been in the 1.6 ballpark again.

I like my title (Special Agent Mars) for the FBI version better than "FBI Veronica".

I think they need to keep Veronica in the title (FBI-Veronica might confuse typical CW viewers into thinking it was another CSI spin-off. CSI/FBI is all the same to those who religiously watch a show about the Pussycat Dolls).

Special Agent Mars could be a show about Keith and, considering the type of viewers the CW seems to get for ANTM and the Pussycat show, I think a lot of people would think it was a sci-fi show about a special agent patrolling the mean streets of the red planet.

I agree. Typical bad boy stereotype.
Bring Leo on as a regular.

Putting this show against American Idol, which is basically the same exact demo, was a huge error. The show got better ratings last fall.

I hope it comes back but if it does, they really need to rethink timeslot.

VM goes against House, not American Idol.

Sure, but you can't count on the AI crowd to be with it enough to change the channel. That's quite apparent from the mega-boost anything airing out of AI gets.

Going by the ratings, about 25% of the AI audience does change the channel.

agreed.. i really like the season long arcs

i still love the show right now though

here are the final rating results for this show for Tuesday 05/08/07
Veronica Mars
- 1.854 million viewers
- 1.1/2 HH
- 0.9/2 A18-49
- 1.1/3 A18-34

It retained less than 50% of the already cancelled Gilmore Girl lead in. It retained 50% of the 18-49 demo group. It retained 52% of the key 18-34 demo group that CW looks for.

Gilmore Girls
- 3.994 million viewers
- 2.7/5 HH
- 1.8/5 A18-49
- 2.1/7 A18-34

To get LESS than 2 million viewers is bad. It's had three seasons, promos after promos, a stint on CBS, the best possible lead out in America's Next Top Model, (Eve and Gilmore Girls) and still nobody is watching. It is past time to cancel this dog.

It is past time to cancel this dog.[/QUOTE]

Well, I think I'm believing all the stories that are coming out that Veronica will be back.

http://www.tv.com/veronica-mars/show...m_clk=gumballs

Mars orbits closer to renewal

A few differences from other stories is that it's 2 years and not 4 years in the future and Veronica is in the Academy not an agent. I also like how they open by saying it's close to getting the green light. That makes me very hopeful.

Well consider it done then. Stop watching and stop posting sheer negativity in these threads.

Even after all the Logan bashing, I can still believe that the character could thrive in the reboot of this show. A LOT can happen to a person in four years - especially in college. The show could come back, and Logan could be the most well adjusted, normal, caring person EVER. But then wouldn't that kinda turn him into Duncan Kane?