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Old 04-20-07 | 07:02 AM
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Actually, this has been a pretty solid year for ER. Better than the past 2-3.
Agreed,
even through the last episode wasn't that great it has been a pretty good season, actually every season of ER has been good its just the odd time you get a ho-hum episode.
ER has never really been a bad show it's just not as good as it used to be (i.e. no one can replace Clooney or Wyle or edwards in main char.'s).
Old 04-20-07 | 08:05 AM
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For serial shows, you cannot, I repeat cannot take long breaks between them! It just kills all momentem that they have gained. I love Heros, but hell, I've gotten so use to not watching it on Monday night, and doing other things, that I don't know if I'm going to bother watching it until it comes out on dvd.
Well but the problem IS that shows like Heroes didn't get a full season order until it was already being aired and was a runaway hit. Truth be told, they had no opportunity to finish making the season without a lengthy hiatus.

That being said, they certainly could be repeating episodes on Mondays to help people who missed the start of the show get caught up. I know several people who have resigned to waiting for the DVDs instead of watching them online (which I did because I missed recording one episode and can honestly say that method absolutely sucks). Even though I've seen them all, I'd certainly watch them again to see if I missed anything the first time knowing what I know now!
Old 04-25-07 | 11:15 AM
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http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/0....ap/index.html

Can news get any worse for NBC? Uh, yes

NEW YORK (AP) -- The news keeps getting worse for NBC, which set a low-water mark for prime-time viewership for the second straight week.

One week after NBC averaged 6.8 million viewers -- its smallest in-season audience since at least 1987, and probably well before -- the network sank to 6.2 million last week, according to Nielsen Media Research.

"They are just in a complete mess," said Marc Berman, a television analyst for Media Week Online.

NBC notes that TV viewership in general is lower, with all of the broadcast networks down 10 percent from last year over the past three weeks, and that the network has been airing several reruns to hoard original series episodes for the May ratings sweeps.

But the network had only three shows among Nielsen's 30 most popular last week -- two of them editions of the game show "Deal or No Deal." None of the week's top 16 shows were on NBC.

Aging franchises "Law & Order" and "The Apprentice" aren't helping, Berman said. NBC's Thursday comedy lineup, while critically acclaimed, hasn't broken through to a mass audience with shows such as "The Office" and "30 Rock."

An original episode of "Scrubs" last week drew only 5.6 million viewers, Nielsen said.

"They coasted on Thursdays for over a full decade and they can't do it anymore," Berman said. "What are they going to do now? They're in a lot of trouble."

One bright spot on Monday was the return of "Heroes" from a hiatus with 12 million viewers and first place in its time slot among youthful viewers. Still, the series had been averaging 14.8 million viewers before going on a break.

Despite the tough prime-time circumstances, NBC's "Nightly News" held off ABC's surging "World News" to win the evening news competition. NBC's victory came primarily because it won on the evening of the Virginia Tech shootings and on the night when it first aired pictures sent by the campus massacre's shooter. For the week, NBC averaged 8.6 million viewers (6.0 rating, 13 share), ABC had 8.5 million (5.9, 13) and the "CBS Evening News 6.6 million (4.7, 10).

Fox won the prime-time ratings race, averaging 10.3 million viewers (6.3 rating, 11 share). CBS had 9.6 million (6.3, 11), ABC 9.5 million (6.2, 10), NBC 6.2 million (4.2, 7), the CW 3 million (2.0, 3), My Network TV 810,000 (0.6, 1) and the ion network had 590,000 (0.4, 1).

Among the Spanish-language networks, Univision averaged 3.8 million viewers (2.1 rating, 3 share), Telemundo had 920,000 viewers (0.5, 1), TeleFutura 530,000 (0.3, 1) and Azteca 150,000 (0.1, 0).

A ratings point represents 1,114,000 households, or 1 percent of the nation's estimated 111.4 million TV homes. The share is the percentage of in-use televisions tuned to a given show.
Old 04-25-07 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by MrBob
For serial shows, you cannot, I repeat cannot take long breaks between them! It just kills all momentem that they have gained. I love Heros, but hell, I've gotten so use to not watching it on Monday night, and doing other things, that I don't know if I'm going to bother watching it until it comes out on dvd.
Me too. Actually I wouldn't mind if most serialized dramas switched to the 24 schedule. I could tolerate 8 months of absence for 4 straight months of a show.
Old 04-25-07 | 12:18 PM
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It still blows my mind that 5.6 million viewers is considered "bad" - especially with all the other choices out there.

I maintain that shows like "American Idol" have completely skewed the reality of television viewers. That coupled with timeshifting, iTunes, streamed shows and torrent sites mean that millions of people are probably watching these shows as well and not being accounted for in the ratings.
Old 04-25-07 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Draven
It still blows my mind that 5.6 million viewers is considered "bad" - especially with all the other choices out there.

I maintain that shows like "American Idol" have completely skewed the reality of television viewers. That coupled with timeshifting, iTunes, streamed shows and torrent sites mean that millions of people are probably watching these shows as well and not being accounted for in the ratings.
I agree, it would be pointless for me to be part of the Neilson ratings cause I DV-R nearly all my shows and watch them at my convience.
Old 04-25-07 | 12:30 PM
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So Univision is bigger than the CW. That merger is sure starting to look like a bust.
Old 04-25-07 | 12:33 PM
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I never like things that are very popular. NBC is about the only network I watch and Thursday night is my favorite. Too bad I don't have a Neilson box to help them.
Old 04-25-07 | 01:47 PM
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So Univision is bigger than the CW. That merger is sure starting to look like a bust.
Es verdad hermano! Primero los Neilsens y despues el mundo!
Old 04-25-07 | 02:18 PM
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I agree, it would be pointless for me to be part of the Neilson ratings cause I DV-R nearly all my shows and watch them at my convience.
Same here - there isn't a single show that we watch live, and we probably watch at least 15 unique shows a week.

I wish they would Tivo owners into account, but that all but eliminates the appeal to advertisers, since we are fast-forwarding past their spots.

I still maintain that eventually we will have to somehow physically pay for all television shows. DVRs are mucking up the traditional model too much.
Old 04-25-07 | 03:16 PM
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The only NBC I've watched this season is one they've placed in 'indefinite hiatus'. So, here's a big "fuck you" to the National Broadcasting Corporation.

Old 04-25-07 | 04:16 PM
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Cyclical. Ten years ago NBC ruled and CBS was for old people. Five years ago, ABC was on top. Cyclical.
Old 04-25-07 | 05:13 PM
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The only NBC I've watched this season is one they've placed in 'indefinite hiatus'. So, here's a big "fuck you" to the National Broadcasting Corporation.

I'm one for two (also watching Heroes). But, yeah, I share your sentiments. The networks in general usually deserve what they get. Airing Deal or No Deal every night and not giving shows like Studio 60 a chance will eventually bite you in the ass.
Old 04-26-07 | 05:07 AM
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I never like things that are very popular. NBC is about the only network I watch and Thursday night is my favorite. Too bad I don't have a Neilson box to help them.
Agreed,
I wish i had a Neilson box or 30 of them and tune them all on NBC! Hardly any of the shows i watch on TV this year are the #1 show. CBS's 'without a trace' is the only show that takes the #1 spot that i like.
Don't get me wrong i watch alot of shows (alot of them on NBC) for Instance: My name is earl, 30 rock, Scrubs & ER are the best shows on thursday night's hands down but all of them do poor in the ratings. Friday 'Raines' one if not the best new program of the year does very poor getting less & less viewers every week while that bloody 'close to home' wins everytime. Even when 'Las Vegas' a once popular show & still a fav. of mine didn't even do well this year for NBC and caused the show to only have 17 episodes this season.
Even 2/3 Law & Orders arn't doing well, the only one take #1 in its respective timeslot is L&O: SVU-it's a shame cause L&O: CI is just as good this year.
There are probally more shows on CBS that i watch but they don't match the level of Quality that the shows on NBC do.

It's really sad that Reality/Game shows are taking over primetime TV & turning a once great medium into Garbage. What happened to the days when people watched well acted/written shows?
I guess people that wan't to watch something smart on TV will have to see there shows do poor and hope every year that a network renews it.
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Hockey Takes Another Fall

Ratings for NBC's coverage of the Stanley Cup Finals, which fell to a record-low 2.6 rating and a 4 share a year ago Monday, slid even further -- to a 2.2/4 for the comparable game this year. The tiny ratings impacted the rest of NBC's schedule, which averaged a 1.7/3 for the rest of the night, which translates to just 3 million viewers. Meanwhile, the third season of Hell's Kitchen on Fox cooked up a 6.3/10. But CBS's series debut of the Claymation comedy Creature Comforts got off to a slow start with a third-place 4.7/8. The top-rated show of the night was a rerun of Two and a Half Men, which drew a 7.6/12 in the 9:00 p.m. hour.
Old 06-06-07 | 10:21 AM
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Hockey Takes Another Fall

Ratings for NBC's coverage of the Stanley Cup Finals, which fell to a record-low 2.6 rating and a 4 share a year ago Monday, slid even further -- to a 2.2/4 for the comparable game this year. The tiny ratings impacted the rest of NBC's schedule, which averaged a 1.7/3 for the rest of the night, which translates to just 3 million viewers. Meanwhile, the third season of Hell's Kitchen on Fox cooked up a 6.3/10. But CBS's series debut of the Claymation comedy Creature Comforts got off to a slow start with a third-place 4.7/8. The top-rated show of the night was a rerun of Two and a Half Men, which drew a 7.6/12 in the 9:00 p.m. hour.
Well its not %100 NBC's fault this time. Hockey is way more popular in the Northern parts of the US & esp. in Canada & the fact that CBC was airing the game & i could be wrong but i think that in some of the northern states you can get CBC.
Thats just path. that the top show of the night last night was a fricken' rerun of Two & a half men to make things worse, Hell's Kitchen is good & I am surprised that it wasn't the #1 show of the evening considering it was one of like two shows that were actually new last night.
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Re: NBC's rating continue to slide...

NBC’s New Thursday Night Comedy Lineup Is a Complete Ratings Disaster

ABC's Once Upon a Time in Wonderland got off to a weak start and the Glee tribute to Cory/Finn gave the show a huge Nielsen boost, but the biggest ratings news Thursday was the complete collapse of NBC's already weak comedy lineup. First, Parks and Recreation kicked off the night poorly (3.2 million viewers and a 1.2 rating among viewers under 50) by tying its series low demo rating. Then NBC's new Mike O'Malley half-hour Welcome to the Family (2.5 million viewers, 0.8 demo) fell 27 percent in its second week to numbers below those of comedy reruns on cable nets such as TBS and Adult Swim. At 9 p.m., the Sean Hayes–led Sean Saves the World (3.8 million viewers, 1.0 demo) did better than its flat-line lead-in, but still dove 29 percent from its premiere last week. And after doing okay numbers its first few weeks, The Michael J. Fox Show (3.8 million viewers, 1.2 demo) fell back 29 percent to its worst ratings yet. Overall, NBC notched a mere 1.0 demo rating from 8 to 10 p.m. last night, its worst in-season Thursday ratings with first-run, regularly scheduled programming since at least 2004*, when Friends went off the air, and likely ever. Oy.
It's certainly true that there was unusually tough competition last night, between the baseball playoffs and the Glee special. But any preseason hopes NBC execs had of a comedy turnaround pretty much died last night. Welcome to the Family will almost certainly be gone by the start of the November sweeps, if not by next week (perhaps replaced by Community), and while NBC will likely be patient with Sean and Fox, the network has to be thinking about whether comedy still makes sense on the Night Formerly Known As Must-See.
As for Thursday's other big events, ABC execs might be forgiven for crawling into a rabbit hole today: Once Upon a Time in Wonderland (5.7 million viewers, 1.7 demo) opened surprisingly weak, below even last fall's disappointing Last Resort (which premiered with a 2.2 demo). In fact, Once was barely above the ratings for ABC's dead-on-arrival 2010 Thursday drama My Generation. Given the huge marketing push behind the show, the numbers are incredibly disappointing for ABC execs, who have to wonder whether they should've stuck to an early plan to make Wonderland a bridge show between arcs of classic Once. It will be interesting to see how Wonderland does in DVR data; it's possible many families could simply be saving the show for later viewing. Still, it's a very rough start for one of ABC's biggest fall hopes.
The Glee tribute to the late Cory Monteith did very, very well, as it seems everyone who's ever watched the show came home to say good-bye last night: 7.4 million viewers watched the emotional hour, and the show averaged a 2.8 in the demo (tying ABC's Grey's Anatomy for the lead in the 9 p.m. hour). Ratings were up 75 percent versus last week's near record-low numbers for the show. Meanwhile, the best news of the night might have belonged to CBS, as new comedy The Millers is holding up very well: It held on to 94 percent of its premiere ratings last night, better than any new show so far this season. And while The Crazy Ones is still losing viewers (down 17 percent versus last week), it still doubled the demo number of NBC's top comedy and would've almost certainly beat Glee had it not been a special. Don't be surprised if CBS orders more of both new Thursday comedies very soon.
http://www.vulture.com/2013/10/ratin...-disaster.html

EDIT: The think that Mike O'Malley show was actually canceled but they're going to burn of a couple of remaining eps. The Michael J. Fox Show was interesting for like 2 episodes then it got old fast.
Old 10-26-13 | 11:56 AM
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The Michael J. Fox Show was interesting for like 2 episodes then it got old fast.
Really, you thought it was good for the first two? You are generous sir. We thought it tanked right out of the box. They already paid him so he'll be on, but I wouldn't be surprised if they moved him to Friday nights limbo land
Old 10-26-13 | 12:46 PM
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Conversely, they have one of, if not the biggest freshman hits with The Blacklist.
Old 10-26-13 | 12:54 PM
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A six year old thread bump?

Well I guess NBC doing so poorly for years puts it in context...
Old 10-26-13 | 01:51 PM
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Community might be good for one last season. I'm tired of Parks and Rec (or maybe I just miss Andy).

Their new shows are turds. They really had something with 30 Rock and The Office. I thought they'd replace them with a similar off-the-wall show (to match 30 Rock) and a show that exhibits intensely awkward situations (to match The Office). And then they gave us two throw-away sitcom-ey shows.
Old 10-26-13 | 02:03 PM
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Maybe NBC will be desperate enough to back up a truck of money to NPH and Tony Shalhoub's houses and revive Stark Raving Mad, my very favorite of all the short lived NBC off the wall sitcoms.
Old 10-26-13 | 02:15 PM
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NBC's ratings model doesn't work anymore. The audience they were targeting barely watches live television anymore on Thursdays and they keep throwing up the same type of content for the night.
Old 10-26-13 | 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by PhantomStranger
NBC's ratings model doesn't work anymore. The audience they were targeting barely watches live television anymore on Thursdays and they keep throwing up the same type of content for the night.
I'm sure 8:00 going against the most watched scripted show on broadcast TV (both overall viewers and in the demo) has nothing to do with it.

NBC is currently the #1 broadcast channel in the demo, ahead of Fox, CBS, ABC, CW, Univision, etc; of course a large part of that comes from Sunday Night Football which sort of weighs everything in its favor (it's tough to balance out 28m viewers with a 10.0 in the demo). The Voice and The Blacklist are, however, doing very well.
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Originally Posted by RichC2
NBC is currently the #1 broadcast channel in the demo, ahead of Fox, CBS, ABC, CW, Univision, etc; of course a large part of that comes from Sunday Night Football which sort of weighs everything in its favor (it's tough to balance out 28m viewers with a 10.0 in the demo). The Voice and The Blacklist are, however, doing very well.
I was going to say that if NBC didn't have SNF (& the Olympics), they'd be dead. Their SNF deal is a veritable bargain. They pay less than $1B a year for that with 3 SBs (and switching out a wild card game for a divisional playoff game starting next year) to boot thru 2022. Their problem is that they've failed miserably promoting new shows with SNF and the Olympics.


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