I've been watching the reruns on sci-fi
I can't believe I missed it the first time. In the episode where the Xindi destroy Earth the survivors go to Ceti Alpha V
would have really sucked in 100 years when ceti alpha vi explodes

I am stupider for having opened this thread.

I thought I was the only person that missed this the first time around. Although some people don't seem to care for this show, for some strange reason I really enjoy watching it.

Me too - it earns my new favorite smilie

Was Ceti Alpha VI the planet that Genisis was activated on? If this was an alternatve reality then why would you think that would still happen?

Ooooh, Mister Kotter, Mister Kotter!!!! I know!

If Ceti Alpha VI done got blowed-up, then wouldn't Ceti Alpha VII be the "new" Ceti Alpha VI?? Hmmm???


I'm with rfduncan....

Kirk exiled Khan's crew to Ceti Alpha V, which was a relatively hospitable planet. This was during the original episode from the 1960s.

In Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, the Reliant (whose first officer was Chekov) scout what they think is Ceti Alpha VI as a potential test site for the Genesis Device. It turns out to be Ceti Alpha V -- Ceti Alpha VI exploded six months after Khan and his crew were exiled, shifting the orbit of Ceti Alpha V and making it an inhospitable wasteland. It's never really explained why the Federation didn't know about the destruction of Ceti Alpha VI. We can also assume that Ceti Alpha V is now where the Reliant expect Ceti Alpha VI to be -- which should mean it's further away from the star Ceti Alpha, in Ceti Alpha VI's orbit, which doesn't really make sense either -- how could the destruction of Ceti Alpha VI shift V's orbit into VI's old orbit? And wouldn't that turn V into a colder planet, not the arid desert we saw?

But to get back to your question, the Genesis Device was actually detonated inside the Mutara Nebula, which formed a new star, around which the Genesis Planet orbited.

In the alternate reality in which the Xindi wiped out most of humanity, there would never have been a Federation (at least, probably not one with humans in it); Kirk would never have been around to find Khan's ship (so he would probably still be floating through space); and Dr. Marcus would never have been around to invent the Genesis Device.

This has been your Star Trek Nerd Minute.

As much as I enjoyed Wrath of Khan, these are things that have always bugged me too-- Federation sensors must not be worth much if they can't even count the number of planets in a system. Plus why would the explosion of planet 6 pull planet 5 into its orbit? If anything, wouldn't an exploding planet push the others away from it, not pull them toward it? Maybe they should have said Ceti Alpha VI imploded.

This one makes even less sense. Why would detonating the Genesis device in a nebula create a star? It was supposed to terraform lifeless planets. Is a nebula dead, and a star alive? Shouldn't it have just transformed the gas in the nebula into a different kind of gas?

I like Enterprise for the most part. I find I enjoy it a lot more and that it's a much better show if I just pretend it's a new space show that has absolutely nothing to do with Star Trek.

Oh ok. It's been a while since I've seen TWOK

ahem... the unstable Protomatter in the matrix caused the unexpected side-effect of a star created along with the Genesis Planet.

Or, Khan, being a "superior intellect," could have reprogrammed the Genesis torpedo to create a star and a planet out of the nebula material. In 5 minutes, off-screen.

Or, the original programming by the Marcus team could have included some kind of back-up plan; if there was no pre-existing star detected for the Genesis planet to orbit, the Genesis Wave would go out until it transformed enough matter to create a star and a planet.

I figure Regula became Genesis and the nebula became its star.

...And if my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a wagon.

or the nebula became the planet and regula's star was the genesis planet's star

yeah, the whole "ceti alpha 6 exploded" thing never made a lot of sense, although I recently read a decent theory, that maybe 5 and 6 somehow orbited each other while orbiting their star, or one had an orbit like pluto where it is sometimes closer to the star than the other
but nothing really makes sense for that

but assuming it was a naturally caused explosion, it still would have exploded in the alternate Enterprise future, thus dooming them regardless of the Xindi ever finding their hiding place

That makes me think of the rogue planet from the Pern (dragon) books that brought killer thread every 200 years or so because of it's elliptical orbit...

Sci-Fi nerds unite!

THIS is Ceti Alpha V!!!

This is always what I understood happened.

There'd have to be a mighty large amount of gas in that nebula to condense into a solid planet.

My theory is that all these incongruities are what we call "mistakes."

No,

THIS is SPARTA!!!

fixed.

"Ah, yeah, well, whenever you notice something like that, a wizard did it."

Man we've gotten a bit off topic no? The episode the OP is refering to is "Twilight" and is my favorite Enterprise episode.

Perhaps they weren't named in relation to the star but they were named in the order that they were discovered? If that was the case then VI could have been in a closer orbit then V but V was discovered earlier?

Threads like this make me want to cry.

I'll just throw some more fire in there - didn't Regula have life due to the Genesis tests? So Regula had life, and therefore the device wouldn't create life. Or would it? Obviously if Genesis hit earth, all life would die, but would new life be created too?

Why?

People have those?