Actually, it's explained in the episode why they were handcuffed. Juliette states that she handcuffed them together so that Kate couldn't just run away and leave her. I'm guessing they were both dumped in the woods to be killed by Smokey...Juliette wakes up first, realizes the situation, handcuffs them together, then pretends to be sleeping. She did wake up pretty fast once Kate awoke. Plus, Juliette had the key on her the whole time.

Final nationals rate this episode at 11.66 million viewers, and a 4.9/13 share in adults 18-49. So a little bit of mixed news, up a little in total viewers (last week was 11.52m viewers) but down a little in the key demo (4.9 vs 5.1).

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(Come on... how often does a Ren & Stimpy reference pop up these days?;))

The instance is in the episode that keeps getting argued about. There was rattling with no smokey to be seen. Find an episode where the smoke causes the rattling outside the jungle and I'll buy that the rattling is in fact smokey.

You have made a logical fallacy. See "non sequitur":

Any argument that takes the following form is a non sequitur:

1. If A is true, then B is true.
2. B is stated to be true.
3. Therefore, A must be true.

An example of affirming the consequent would be:

1. If I see the smoke monster (A) I hear the rattling sound. (B)
2. I hear the rattling sound. (B)
3. Therefore, it must be the smoke monster. (A)

I'm not too quick, so I'll just assume you are right. ;)

Who says that Kate is the Bad person? What has she done in her backstory's to indicate that? Her Step Dad was a bastard, she killed him to save her Mom from herself and possible demise. She comes back this ep to make amends with her Mom despite the heavy artillary looking for her.

Maybe its the other way around, Juliette, is the bad person, handcuffing herself to Kate to save herself.

I'm not buying Juliette's story, she's a plant.

Keep 'em coming, 2nd half has been super!

That's what I was wondering...if she's a bad person for killing a bad person, wouldn't all of the Others be bad as well? Weren't they killing people because they were "bad?"

So being a bastard is a killing offense?? I'm in deep trouble then. ;)

Just because Kate seemed to have a good reason to dislike the man, killing him I would think is a bit extreme. And I think this episode made that point very well. Kate thought she was helping her mom. But her mom loved the man and his death hurt her. It's possible that the step dad had a mother who was devasted from his death, he probably had friends who missed him, etc.

The point is, Kate decided to take matters in her own hands, with little regard to how it would affect others. Her mom made the point that Kate did what she did for her own reasons. Not to help anybody else.

Plus there may be more to Kate's story that we haven't seen yet. She been protrayed as a sympathtic character, but I suspect, ultimately, she is selfish (at least prior to the island).

I think the same will probably be for all of the Losties. Most of these characters aren't saints.

I've seen this elsewhere, but I'll bring it up here. Not sure if it's been mentioned, but Smokey is black, and with all of the duality of black/white running through the show, who or what is Smokey's opposite white? If Smokey is considered bad, where is the good (Ben: we're the good guys)?

Keep in mind that Kate killed others besides here stepfather. People in the bank, unintentionally (but directly nonetheless) her childhood boyfriend etc.

I have a theory about that... I think if Walt ever does show up again (and I think he will someday, since there wasn't a very satisfactory conclusion to his storyline) they can explain his rapid aging by saying that part of the general weirdness of the island is that time passes more slowly there that it does out in the "real" world.

That has been rumored for quite some time. :) I think the show even brought it up in the "Dave" episode, IIRC.

I can see it now, they get rescued and see Michael in his 70s and Walt in his 30s or 40s.

Kate ain't no saint, but you begin to think what's at the soul of these characters and I haven't seen the darkness in her that would merit her being tagged evil. Troubled, confused and LOST, yes, but evil I think not.

Echo's backstory, well this dude had his moments with saving his brother, but then he became the thing that he was protecting his brother against. He tried to rally against his evil side by assuming his brothers identity and ergo intentions, but ultimately he succumbed back to the dark side and ultimately he was LOST to the monster because when it looked into his true intentions (ie somehow reading his true thoughts, vibrations or frequency if you will), it saw he was indeed a LOST cause, and so he was shut down. That and the producers knew he wanted off the show :)

Locke apparently was able to stare down the monster, as looking into his soul, his frequency and vibration he survived the encounter. We can see by Locke's backstory that his life has been met with mostly good deeds, giving a kidney is something that goes to the top of the list. So the monster, reads this frequency of his intention and Locke gets a pass. Locke is not Lost on this island, he is found. Now the twist becomes, is he lost when faces with his ultimate push button item and recipe for evil, Revenge? Stay tuned, he could be LOST again.

Jack, we know he all about dichotomy, and like Kate, what drives at his center seems like a non-evil. But he has his moments for sure. His spirit truly seems LOST and in essence his character drives the entire show for all of us as we mirror his intentions with our own. As the soul searching that we need Jack to go on, he goes on for all of us exploring all sides of intenionss. He is filled with good (brilliant doctor, island action hero), with moments of Bad (bad hubby, questionable son, control freak) but ultimately he like all of us are awaiting some judgment from the Monster on where his true intentions are coming from. He was ready to leave the rast of the castaways behind perhaps stranidng there hope forever. Was this a good intenion? Would he have been able to send help? Was it a selfish or honorable motive. We await his showdown with the Monster as he recoils from the events.

Juliette seems to me to have signed her deal with the d-"evil". Oh, you wish your ex-hubby was out of the picture and hit by a bus, Bingo, no prob. Now here's your ticket to "paradise"-lost, won't you come help us. She is indeed a LOST Soul, the question is, can she be saved? Redeemed at all? So we are left with a snapshot of chaining herself to Kate could buy her some time with the monster. If Kate is the evil one. But really, if Juliette is wanted to Bond with kate, didn't she have a better chance with jack to help her with that? She was looking for the closest thing she could to a quasi-psotive soul indeed buying her time. She could nto chain herslef to jack, too many questions there. Sayed, out of the question, he'd slit her throat. Not kate was the only one who could save her unabated from the monster. The question is, was she truly left to think of this on her own, or was this part of the grand plan with the others.

We are not so sure on Kate, we like her bad ass attitude, she's always stepped up on the Island to help out, however although we cannot judge her true intentions, on the surface they seems pretty honorable. The results for her are all fracked up, but the intention seems for the most part to be the results of a positive light.

Juliette, me thinks not so much. What are her true motives, survival or a super spy for the others greater intentions?

Not so meidocre an ep imho, as we begin to see where this monster, long abandoned for the most part since ehcos demise, comes back into play. And the freeze frame on Juliette seems to me, that Kate bought her some time as the Monster assesses a new entrant into the game of LOST.

As for the monster and the fence. This creation, as with the center of this island, is all about electromagnetism and frequency. The fence is a high powered device, feeding off some part of the Island for all we know that seems to generate this electromagnetic power. The Monster must have issues crossing this EMP fence as it must somehow remain grounded to the island to maintain its own EMP structure and frequency. Let's call it some higher (or lower?) powered entity, although not taking the human form, it certainly inhabits the pyhsical world on this Island due to the Islands innate ability to generate the EMP force. This Monster comes from what we may consider a Purgatory, or another plane of thought that exists around all of us, although in general we cannot see or hear (ie dog whistle). This Island allows this creature to manifest itself and become something called the creative conciousness, which collects the thoughts and intentions of the world. So we get to see this morality play, played out in front of us: The Others (ie Evil) v Good (can we insert Locke here?) v temptation, (let's put Locke's Pop into play), v the rest of us undecideds (All of our Friends on the beach)

Hows that for a load of BS :)

Happy Easter/PassOver/Other!

in the episode when Echo mentions the black smole to locke, doesn't he say somehting along he didn't see black smoke. Maybe it appears different if you are good, or maybe it just appeared as something else to Locke, an angelic figure or something, a la echos brother.

Wow. Pretty good! I wasn't even thinking of being "lost" as the way you put it. Very interesting...

Praphrasing, but Locke sayd to Eko: "So what did you see back there? I saw a white light -- it was beautiful."

To which Eko replies: "That is not what I saw."

Kate is a bad person. Her mom laid it out well. She loved him. It did not matter to her what he did. What Kate did was selfish, and it caused her mom far more pain than what her stepfather was doing to her mom.

In addition, did she not get her doctor friend killed sometime in season one? And she's certainly indirectly responsible for getting the FBI agent killed for having to come after her in Australian and get on flight 815. PLUS...fucking things up for Jack by not listening to him, bringing Locke to the camp and breaking his heart.

That's just my opinion.

I thought I remembered the implication that Kate was abused (physically and/or sexually) by her step-father. If her mom was aware of the abuse... and I think she was, it would make her the selfish one, putting her feelings above her daughter's safety. I thought Kate did it to protect her mom from future abuse, while exacting revenge for herself.

Of course it has been a loooong time since I watched that ep, so I may be way off base. :)

I think Kate said, He (her blown up father) never laid a hand on her, because if he did, he'd already be dead.

According to Lostpedia, "Wayne" made drunken advances towards Kate. http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Wayne

Okay, thanks. I think that must have been what I was remembering. Right before she blew up the house he came in drunk and was making advances to her before he passed out.

What actor played the guy who gave Kate the plane?
Thanks