An okay episode. It seemed more like one set to connect two big plots together. Locke leaving with the Others now after they brought his dad to the island and told him about Kate and probably everyone else.

It will be interesting to see if Juliet is just a spy or if she's really been 'banished' from the Others. Hopefully it's not just being a spy because it would make her story progression a waste of time.

I would agree, but if she is the mole, then it wouldn't be the first time this show has insulted us (i.e. the viewers).

I guess they WERE going to do something *bad* to her after Jack revealed she wanted to off Ben. So maybe this is her punishment now. But it's just one of those things you won't ever be sure of. I still think Tom will be sympathetic to her and end up siding with the Losties.

And I agree, Juliet's character has been a great addition to the show.

:hscratch: And who was Not in Portland a flashback episode of then?

If I was Jack, Kate, and Sayid, I would bring all the Losties to the abandon village. Protected fence, houses, water, electric. Much better than the beach front imo.

Those four better bring the survivors back to the now-empty village.

But you know that they won't, because that would make too much sense. Just like letting other people know some of the interesting things that they have learned during their travels around the island.

Ummm...others have had more than one flashback episode, haven't they?

But since you are the spoiler king, I'm guessing you know who's backstory it actually is next week.

So she is limited to only 1 flashback? :hscratch: I am assuming this flashback will cover her arriving at the island?

I think

Yeah, kind of like

And Josh - can you confirm that's who next week's flashback is of?

That info was already known. We learned in episode 4 of this season that Cassidy had Sawyer's baby, Clementine. Sawyer left money for Clementine anonymously from the reward he earned from double crossing that guy in prison.

If Juliet isn't a mole, why did she wait to produce the key to the handcuffs only when Smokey was on their scent, and Juliet wanted to get behind an activated fence?

Good point, but she DID say she didn't want to be left behind again or something. Just impossible to 100% believe anything she says.

This episode did not answer every question I have, therefore it sucked. :grunt:

Where the hell could the others have gone to?

Their summer homes? -confused-

My girlfriend said the same thing..

Me, I could care less. I'm beginning to think what people were saying about Jack in previous threads could be true..

Ahh that's right, amazing how details float by when you just don't really care that much :P

Whats that Rogue? Sketchy memory here!

Juliette and the others have obviosly had situations with the smoke monster in the past (Juliette knowing it wont pass their security barrier). However, knowing how dangerous it is, she just sat there with Kate the first time it tried to attack them asking her "What is that"? This makes no sense, unless she had already known that it wasnt going to attack them, just scan them (or whatever it did when it flashed the light on them.)

Was that the first time Smokey flashed the white light?

An ok episode, Kate is great to look at, tight cloths, all wet fighting with Juliette and such, but her back story blows. No more of her Mother, no more of the Feds. Enough already. We get it.

And the lady that got scammed by Sawyer, that says she is preggo, I have zero interest in her character, he character is wicked boring.

I like the part with Smokey and the fence. Cool. More Smokey is always cool. I think Smokey should have it's own spin off show.

Interesting revelations about what Locke is up to/where he went and where the others went.

Next week could be interesting.

About the others leaving the village....
Maybe Hawaii is cracking down and they don't want ABC to film on the beach anymore? A long shot, but maybe they planned this episode so they could move the survivors to the empty village, away from the beach? Just a random thought.

My guess is that with ratings falling, the budget may be cut and the producers are preparing by introducing an area that doesn't need to be filmed in Hawaii.

And how did she know that Jack was even still there? If she had been gassed and dragged off, how could she know that Jack wasn't taken with the Others, and that Sayid was still tied up in a back yard?

Good point.

Whats the average cost per episode on this show now? Anybody know?

According to the actress who plays Juliette, in a recent interview in TV guide, she said this will reveal more about her past with more twists and turns.

I thought the flashbacks were boring and started fast forwarding them. Didnt care for the whole Sawyer/ Hurley plotline but liked the Kate/Juliette stuff.

Decent episode this week. Great seeing smokey make an appearance. The flashing during his scan was something new that will no doubt be the subject of water-cooler discussion tomorrow morning.

And in no way is Elizabeth Mitchell the only good addition to the cast since Eko. Hello? Benjamin Linus, anyone? Desmond becoming a regular? both stellar and worthy additions.

And why was Jack still unconscious?

If Juliette is up to something, I think Jack might be on it, too.

Is Ben manipulating Jack through Juliette?

FWIW, having grown up in Hawaii, I could swear that the Iowa scenes were really shot in Hawaii. I got such a rural-hawaii vibe that I went back and frame-stepped at 720p through all of them looking for some definitive proof.

The empty field really looked a lot like an old sugar-cane or pineapple field with just a few straggly corn(?) plants up front to make it seem otherwise - the soil was just so red. Then at the gas station scenes I swear there is a small banana tree between the gas station and the non-descript store next to it (which is a very common style of road-side building in Hawaii, although it might be common in Iowa too for all I know) and for just one or two frames I thought I saw palm leaves in the background behind the grifter-lady on the other side of the gas station. The trees across the street, while out of focus, had big brown patches in the leaves that looked a lot like seed pods for a common local tree too.

So, I can't say with 100% confidence, but I'd bet money that they were shot in Hawaii.

I think each episode of LOST costs between $2-2.8 million. It's one of the most expensive non-cable shows on television.

Hello, my name's James Ford, but you can call me Sawyer. In my old life, I was a professional con man who scammed people for a whole lot of money. Funnily enough, in all my years of deception, I never did learn how to fake being nice to people. One might find that a tad unrealistic, but it really makes perfect sense. You see, the writers come up with story ideas and then they write characters to fit those plot points, rather than going for any kind of consistency. It's also the reason I've pretty much constantly bounced back and forth from being an asshole to a decent guy over the last couple years, or months, depending on your point of view. Anyway, I was just stopping by because the writers asked me to come out and explain why it's not completely retarded that a professional con man wouldn't have a clue how to trick people into liking him. I hope you enjoyed the comic hijinx as Hurley taught me how to be nice, and were a bit moved when I finally learned my lesson. Of course, next week, I'll probably be back to being a complete asshole. Please keep watching!

And I make a big deal over the smallest aspect of the subplot of the island aspect of the episode.

Sawyer not knowing how to be nice was odd. I thought it was a double con a first.
Kate did something else really bad.
Jack is working with the others.
Juliette was left behind and is being played by Jack.
I bet Jack knows the bad thing Kate did and that is why he was cold to her.
Juliette is a distraction from Jack.
The others went to box.
Those flashbacks are time travel moments but only Des can remember them.
Juliette knows more about that monster.

Though it was a good episode.

After watching 24 and Prison Break this week, this mediocre episode of Lost was a breath of fresh air for me.

:up: Agree. Finally we get to see a 'bit' of the group trying to cope with all the leadership gone. Granted they had to wait until one of the big names returned, Sawyer, but I'll take it. It's better than, say, ignoring them for half a season.

Sawyer. Season 1, IIRC. Sayid tortured him for some lame reason that turned out bogus. Right?

Makes sense.

He knew she was wanted by the feds from day 1. What more incentive/proof does he need?

Ugh, that episode is in contention for the worst one in the history of the series. I felt like slapping Kate every time she didn't ask Juliet a pertinent question regarding the island—instead resorting to stupid questions that one would think wouldn't take priority over more serious and relevant questions. But I guess this is standard moronic behavior in the world of Lost.

What really irritated me was the ENTIRE Hurley/Sawyer plot—which was unnecessary and incredibly stupid. Even if it were a segment in a full comedic episode it would have sucked, but when it was mixed in with the seriousness of the other stuff it completely ruined the pacing of the show.

Last week's filler episode was many times better than yesterday's drivel. Get it together Lost.

We'll see you here next week though, right? I'm sure we can count on your appearance here on the LOST thread next week.

I thought Hurley as Jiminy Cricket to Sawyer was pretty entertaining, although I do agree that a professional con man would know how to get people to like him.

Little disappointed that in all the scenes of Kate & Juliet and Kate & Cassidy, there was no kissing. I know I'm not the only one that was hoping for that.

At least there was mud-wrestling.

I thought the same thing. She just got pissed at Juliet and decided to walk in silence. :wtf: At least make her do some explaining before blindly letting her join their camp.

I don't have a problem with it. Where is the incentive? He is about money. There is no money on the island, with value at least, so why does he care about conning people into thinking he's nice? There's no angle for him.