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Old 05-28-07 | 04:44 PM
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Loved Human Nature! Can't wait to see the conclusion. It had a nice easy pace to it, instead of every one running around like mad which has been the case lately.....
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i didn't like 42 but i loved human nature, lookin forward to paet 2
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A very nice nod to the Doctors of the past in John Smith's journal.

It's been so long since I've seen the Doctor use "John Smith" (other than this season premiere), I had forgotten it was used all the time by early Doctors.

Completely wild and unlikely, yet interesting, scenario: what if the kid who stole the pocketwatch (and gains all the knowledge and who knows what else of the Doctor) can't handle the overload of what he's gained and "grows up" to be a new Master?
Old 05-29-07 | 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Chew
A very nice nod to the Doctors of the past in John Smith's journal.

It's been so long since I've seen the Doctor use "John Smith" (other than this season premiere), I had forgotten it was used all the time by early Doctors.

Completely wild and unlikely, yet interesting, scenario: what if the kid who stole the pocketwatch (and gains all the knowledge and who knows what else of the Doctor) can't handle the overload of what he's gained and "grows up" to be a new Master?
I was thinking the same thing Chew. Then the Doctor would have had a hand in bringing the Master back. Woo. Wouldn't he love that.
Old 05-29-07 | 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Chew
It's been so long since I've seen the Doctor use "John Smith" (other than this season premiere), I had forgotten it was used all the time by early Doctors.
It was also used last season, in Smith and Jones. Sarah Jane even mentions it before she learns that John Smith is in fact the Doctor.
Old 05-29-07 | 08:55 AM
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Sarah Jane even mentions it before she learns that John Smith is in fact the Doctor.
Oh that's right!
Old 05-29-07 | 02:46 PM
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What a wonderful new episode. Human Nature instantly jumps to #1 in my personal ranking. I don't know how much they've rewritten from the book, but it fits just perfectly into this season with this doctor. Offers some really great Martha bits, and Tennant does a terrific job, getting to show some fresh range with what is essentially a whole new character.

I hope Part Two isn't a let-down. Part Two's have been weak in this overall series, but with this being a book adaptation, we have reason to hope the 2nd half of the adaptation is as solid as the first...

Great acting by all the supporting cast, too. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how the kid with the watch handles all that knowledge.
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I really enjoyed this ep as well. Very interesting and it's great to see the Doctor not be "the Doctor" for a change.

I've been waiting for Martha to get some time to shine and she's been really holding her own in these last few episodes.

And another somewhat noobish Doctor Who question. Could someone provide a bit more information on the Doctor's reincarnations? Are there only a limited amount of times he can come back? Are the forms he takes what other time lords looked like? And if he can always come back, doesn't that kind of take away from his danger since his essence can't really die?

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Old 05-30-07 | 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by boredsilly

And another somewhat noobish Doctor Who question. Could someone provide a bit more information on the Doctor's reincarnations? Are there only a limited amount of times he can come back? Are the forms he takes what other time lords looked like? And if he can always come back, doesn't that kind of take away from his danger since his essence can't really die?

Every Time Lord has 13 regenerations. Then he's dead for good. So whenever he has a life threating injury... gets poisoned, body gets old, ect, he can change his form. However, if his body is completely destroyed, like caught in a nuke explosion, gets his head cut off or something like that, he's dead. It's not magic.

Here's how each Doctor in the past has "died"...
1st to 2nd - Old Age
2nd to 3rd - forced to give up a life by the Time Lords
3rd to 4th - biten by alien spider
4th to 5th - falls off a radio tower
5th to 6th - poisoned
6th to 7th - hits his head on the TARDIS controls (yeah, lame)
7th to 8th - gunshot wounds
8th to 9th - never explained
9th to 10th - oh... you know... Rose and the time energy or whatever.

... I need to get out more... lol
Old 05-30-07 | 08:45 AM
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The Doctor can regenerate twelve times. After that, there's no more (unless of course the writers say so). His appearance is completely different that his other incarnations. His personality is quite different each time as well, although he maintains a strong sense of justice, an insatiable curiosity, and a deep affection for humans.

Even though he can die and come back, regeneration is not something the Doctor takes lightly, as the process might not work. Even if it does, he is a completely different person, so that incarnation of him would 'die'. When he occasionally mentions his previous incarnations, it's usually wistful and sad, like he's remembering the death of an old friend.
Old 05-30-07 | 09:26 AM
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I'm so sad that I have to wait until July before S3 comes on SciFi channel.
Old 05-30-07 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by turborobb
Every Time Lord has 13 regenerations. Then he's dead for good. So whenever he has a life threating injury... gets poisoned, body gets old, ect, he can change his form. However, if his body is completely destroyed, like caught in a nuke explosion, gets his head cut off or something like that, he's dead. It's not magic.

Here's how each Doctor in the past has "died"...
1st to 2nd - Old Age
2nd to 3rd - forced to give up a life by the Time Lords
3rd to 4th - biten by alien spider
4th to 5th - falls off a radio tower
5th to 6th - poisoned
6th to 7th - hits his head on the TARDIS controls (yeah, lame)
7th to 8th - gunshot wounds
8th to 9th - never explained
9th to 10th - oh... you know... Rose and the time energy or whatever.

... I need to get out more... lol
I think what happened with the 6th to 7th Regeneration was because they fired Colin Baker and couldn't get him back for a regeneration so they just had someone with a Wig on face down on the floor.
Old 05-30-07 | 12:58 PM
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Ok, thanks guys. There are still aspects about the Who mythos that I'm not quite sure about, but this thread has helped me out quite a bit.

Now I'm curious to see what they do to explain away the 12-13 generations business when that comes around if at all.
Old 05-30-07 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by boredsilly
Ok, thanks guys. There are still aspects about the Who mythos that I'm not quite sure about, but this thread has helped me out quite a bit.

Now I'm curious to see what they do to explain away the 12-13 generations business when that comes around if at all.
It's been years so maybe someone can correct me if I am wrong but The Master ended up stealing a body when he ran out of Regenerations.
Old 05-30-07 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by boredsilly
Now I'm curious to see what they do to explain away the 12-13 generations business when that comes around if at all.
The Time Lords will finally reappear and through some amazing plot-device grant the Doctor another complete round of regenerations.
Old 05-30-07 | 01:10 PM
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It's been years so maybe someone can correct me if I am wrong but The Master ended up stealing a body when he ran out of Regenerations.


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Old 05-30-07 | 01:10 PM
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Old 05-30-07 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by boredsilly
Now I'm curious to see what they do to explain away the 12-13 generations business when that comes around if at all.
I'm curious to see if they remember "The Valeyard" (basically an evil version of the Doctor that somehow appears between his 12th and 13th regenerations).
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Old 05-30-07 | 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Groucho
I'm curious to see if they remember "The Valeyard" (basically an evil version of the Doctor that somehow appears between his 12th and 13th regenerations).

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The Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of the Doctor's nature. He somehow comes into being between the Doctor's 12th and "final incarnation" (Notice, they didn't say "13th incarnation").



Originally Posted by riley_dude
I think what happened with the 6th to 7th Regeneration was because they fired Colin Baker and couldn't get him back for a regeneration so they just had someone with a Wig on face down on the floor.
I believe that someone was actually Sylvester McCoy. I recall an article where he says he had to wear the "Colin" wig for that shot.


Originally Posted by turborobb
3rd to 4th - biten by alien spider

Just a quick geek correction: The Third Doctor regenerated because his cells were destroyed by the radiation in the Spider Queen's crystal cave. Basically, radiation poisoning.

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Old 05-31-07 | 01:35 PM
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Some Big Doctor Who rumors. I'll spoiler them just in case.

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Freema axed?

Official statement from the BBC:
“It is absolute rubbish that Freema Agyeman has been axed or sacked from Doctor Who. However we do not comment on future storylines.”
On a day where Freema should be celebrated in the press for her lovely first appearance on Friday Night With Jonathan Ross, it instead has been horribly ruined by the cruelty of a tabloid desperate for attention by any means. While we are not an official voice for Freema, we would like to at least express our outrage against The Sun’s nonsense.

Having failed to cash in on their attempts to damage her established co-star, David Tennant, by trying to ignite and ride on rumours of his impending departure from Doctor Who, “The Sun” has turned their eye to a far easier target, an actress who has just barely gotten her momentum going in mainstream media and therefore can less easily defend herself.

Freema had been their darling until recently and they could not print enough nice things to say about her. But she seems to have outlived her usefulness to them since every other paper was also praising her and their voice was being drowned out. So “The Sun” has changed their tactics, now forming their words into a knife and trying to plunge it into her career for no apparent reason but for their own depraved gossip and readership numbers.

Rest assured, there is an ever growing list of logical reasons why what they say is hopelessly incorrect and full of falsehoods, including a recent statement* by Russell T. Davies that he hasn’t even written the Christmas Special yet, let alone any of series four. But The Sun made one glaring mistake in their attempt to trash Freema: there is no-one in the BBC that high in authority who would ever talk to them on that kind of topic. It just wouldn’t happen. Such a person would lose their lucrative job in a heartbeat, it wouldn’t be worth risking discovery.

To attempt to poison Freema’s fanbase by eroding the will to commit to her character emotionally is nothing short of a crime in our book. It’s bad behaviour expected from a bully, not from any entity claiming to be “press”.

So in conclusion, all we can do is ask you to boycott The Sun. There is simply no reason to read it anyway and if this is going to be their new trend why do you need such negativity in your day? Entire towns have successfully boycotted The Sun, we dare say a fandom can do so as well. We are compiling a list of their associated products and companies to boycott, as well as previous claims by them that were complete fabrications so that you may more readily defend yourself against their rubbish and will publish it as soon as reasonably possible. Ask your friends and family to join this action.

We thank you for your loyalty to Freema.

and...

Latest Claim From Sun: 'Doctor Who' Gone In '08
UPDATED: Could this be a battle between a tabloid and the BBC?

By MICHAEL HINMAN
Source: The Scottish Sun
May-31-2007



Either the Scottish tabloid The Sun has the biggest scoop in genre history, or the newspaper has declared war on the BBC.

Just days after claiming that new companion Freema Agyeman was being dumped by the show, The Sun is now claiming that showrunner Russell T. Davies plans to end the iconic "Doctor Who" series on BBC after its fourth season in 2008.

"The heavy workload -- nine months of 16-hour days every year -- has started to take its toll," a source reportedly told The Sun. Apparently, Davies and his senior staff have "hatched a plan" that would have them give BBC a "group resignation" a year from now.

"It was decided the best thing for the show was go out at the top next year," the source reportedly said.

Such a story is just rubbish said Britain's The Guardian newspaper, courtesy of Outpost Gallifrey.

"Russell has always said that he wouldn't be with the show forever, and he has made no secret that the hours are quite exhausting," an unnamed source told the newspaper. "But there isn't any way [the show] would be axed even if he left. He loves the show and he does feel that maybe it would benefit from some new blood."

Davies' current contract with the show runs through the fourth season. "If Mr. Davies does leave 'Doctor Who,' the BBC will want to keep such a popular show going by bringing in a new executive producer to take over his creative responsibilities," the source said.

BBC has yet to respond to the story. Its public relations team was busy over the weekend denying another Sun report that Agyeman -- who plays Martha Jones in the series -- was being fired from the show. After that story ran, Agyeman's main Web site not only loudly proclaimed the story as false and attacking, but challenged the newspaper's entire journalistic integrity going as far as calling for a boycott ofThe Sun.

"There is simply no reason to read it anyway, and if this is going to be their new trend, why do you need such negativity in your day," Agyeman's Web site said over the weekend. "Entire towns have successfully boycotted The Sun, we dare say a fandom can do so as well. We are compiling a list of ... previous claims by them that were complete fabrications so that you may more readily defend yourself against their rubbish and will publish it as soon as reasonably possible."

A regular industry source in the United States told SyFy Portal that while the "Doctor Who" production team might be working long hours, their workload is no different than any other production company that puts together television shows day in and day out.

"Most British shows are between 12 and 15 episodes per season, which can be demanding. But here, we have seasons that run as long as 26 episodes," said the source, who asked not to be identified since he is not permitted to talk to media. "I don't know what's going on over there, but I would take the workload those guys at 'Doctor Who' have over mine any day."

To its credit, The Sun did correctly report in the past the departures of the show's original stars, Christopher Eccleston and Billie Piper. However, in recent months, the paper has also claimed that Tennant was leaving midway through the third season (and later at the end of the third season), and that Agyeman was getting the boot as well.

"Doctor Who" airs Saturdays on BBC One, and will premiere its third season on the SciFi Channel in July.
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Not worth commenting on at all, especially since the BBC has dismissed it as bullshit.
Old 05-31-07 | 06:24 PM
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They dismissed rumors that Billy Piper and Eccelston was leaving too.
We'll see.
Old 06-02-07 | 02:13 PM
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Just saw Human Nature. Probably the best of this season. Can't wait for the second part.
Old 06-02-07 | 11:40 PM
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Just saw Human Nature. Probably the best of this season. Can't wait for the second part.
Tell me everyone saw The Family of Blood. My jaw hit the floor after what he did to the family.


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