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Old 03-07-07, 10:13 PM
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Old 03-07-07, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by RichC2
Locke, imo, is inconsistent. Some times he's a badass, other times he's a dumbass, his character has been on a spiral since the middle of season 1.
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Well, I'd say he was using some deductive reasoning to do what he did:

A. Patchy lied to him about the computer being hard to beat.
B. Patchy obviously wanted to protect something on the computer.
C. There were only three choices to make after winning the chess game, and Locke tried the first two to no avail.
D. Locke did not know about the C4 charges.

C: Hostile breach = push 77
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Was that a review or a reaction?

Originally Posted by DthRdrX
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Well, I'd say he was using some deductive reasoning to do what he did:

A. Patchy lied to him about the computer being hard to beat.
B. Patchy obviously wanted to protect something on the computer.
C. There were only three choices to make after winning the chess game, and Locke tried the first two to no avail.
D. Locke did not know about the C4 charges.

C: Hostile breach = push 77

Oh I agree there was reasoning behind it, but Locke just seemed dopey this time around. Don't know what it is.
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Originally Posted by RichC2
Was that a review or a reaction?
Might have been both Rich.
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I enjoyed tonight's episode.
Old 03-07-07, 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DVD Josh
Might have been both Rich.
Good answer.

It's nice to get the show back to it's roots a bit these past few eps, but the sense of mystery is still completely lacking . Still, from me.
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Good episode, probably the best of the season so far. Nice to have some new info/twists introduced.

The flashback was useless though as it did nothing to advance Sayid's character, we already new he basically hated himself for torturing people, so I'm not sure what the point was.
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Damn, I was hoping that they would kill Locke finally.
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Originally Posted by Josh Hinkle
Good episode, probably the best of the season so far. Nice to have some new info/twists introduced.

The flashback was useless though as it did nothing to advance Sayid's character, we already new he basically hated himself for torturing people, so I'm not sure what the point was.
I saw it as basically a long explaination for his actions at the end of the episode.

Originally Posted by B.A.
Damn, I was hoping that they would kill Locke finally.
They won't do that til at least the wheelchair flashback ep.
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Good ep. Enjoyed it throughout, glad they didn't waste much time on the ping pong thing. Are we to assume Patchy was indeed telling the truth about things like the underwater cable?

I liked some of the comments that may have been a nod to the fans who like to bitch...Sawyer asking the girl, "where'd you come from?" and Sayid getting straight to the point with Patchy asking him what the F Dharma is.

So are Patchy and the Others ex-Dharma? Or were they there before Dharma showed up, like Patch said? Remember the slave ship...people have been there before Dharma.

And why did Ms. Klugh want to die? Just so they wouldn't be forced into giving up the location of their village? Seems something kind of small to be willing to die for.
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I think the Others are aliens. j/k I'm a bit confused as well as to who is Dharma and who is everyone else. Were the Others already there before Dharma showed up? Are the Others a faction of what is left of Dharma? Why doesn't Rousseau know more after living on that island for 15+ years?
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Originally Posted by dsa_shea
Why doesn't Rousseau know more after living on that island for 15+ years?
She does seem awfully content to just live the way she has been. At first I thought Patchy's accent was French, and was thinking maybe that's why she was staying away. Guess not.
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1) Either I am bad at chess or I am missing something. Locke's last move was NOT a checkmate. When he moved the rook to the last row in line with the King, the computer COULD have moved the bishop in front of the rook, eliminating that check. There was no other piece checking the king. Anybody have a screen shot??

2) What camera was that watching the computer? What camera did patch-man disconnect when Locke saw him on the monitor in the other station? I would think NO camera would be working.
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1) Either I am bad at chess or I am missing something. Locke's last move was NOT a checkmate. When he moved the rook to the last row in line with the King, the computer COULD have moved the bishop in front of the rook, eliminating that check. There was no other piece checking the king. Anybody have a screen shot??
I'm no good at chess, but I noticed and thought the same thing. But maybe the king couldn't move?

EDIT: I can't take a screenshot, but I'm sure somebody will. If he moved the bishop in to block, Locke still had his queen down there, so I'm pretty sure it was checkmate.

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The king doesn't have to move if another piece can block the checking piece.
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Excellent episode. Previews looks interesting.
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Originally Posted by RichC2
everybody already knows the "surprise connection."
We do? If it's obvious and not a spoiler, remind me.
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Originally Posted by aktick
We do? If it's obvious and not a spoiler, remind me.
Spoiler:

Probably Jack and Claire brother/sister ... rumor since last year when Jack's father showed up with Ana Lucia at some woman's door in Australia.
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Originally Posted by DthRdrX
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Probably Jack and Claire brother/sister ... rumor since last year when Jack's father showed up with Ana Lucia at some woman's door in Australia.
Well that's a spoiler, so I can't read it. Thanks anyways.
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Originally Posted by aktick
EDIT: I can't take a screenshot, but I'm sure somebody will. If he moved the bishop in to block, Locke still had his queen down there, so I'm pretty sure it was checkmate.
I went back and froze the frame in my TiVo (TiVo is a MUST for this show ). The queen is NOT in a position that calls for a checkmate. One or two moves later, maybe. But it makes no sense for the computer to admit defeat to a human...unless it cheated for Locke?? Patch man did say the computer cheats.
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Originally Posted by aktick
Well that's a spoiler, so I can't read it. Thanks anyways.
No Problem ... I figure it will tempt some people over the next week!
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It is a spoiler, but it is something you should see coming from Season 2, so not a big one.
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In a previous episode, Jack's father was in Sydney arguing with a blond Australian woman, at her house, wanting to see his daugher. That daughter would be Jack's half-sister.

OK, this daughter could possibly be blond, Australian, female, roughly Jack's age.

Speaking of Australians, I miss Walt's storyline. Oh well.
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Originally Posted by Robertwoj
1) Either I am bad at chess or I am missing something. Locke's last move was NOT a checkmate. When he moved the rook to the last row in line with the King, the computer COULD have moved the bishop in front of the rook, eliminating that check. There was no other piece checking the king. Anybody have a screen shot??

2) What camera was that watching the computer? What camera did patch-man disconnect when Locke saw him on the monitor in the other station? I would think NO camera would be working.

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There are some clues scattered about the episodes but nothing is really definitive regarding the Dharma/Hostile connection and what exactly happened. I'm wondering if they eventually answer this via a unqiue character flashback later in the series, like perhaps one featuring Ben.

Patchy states the hostiles were there much longer than Dharma, yet he himself just arrived supposedly somewhere after the Russian/Afghanistan era. Julie was recruited only three years back by Mittelos Bioscience. Were both recruited by Dharma, survived the "purge", and brainwashed by the Others like we have recently seen others?

The only thing we now know for sure is that when Dharma started on the island, probably in the late 70s to early 80s, the hostiles were a known about issue to Dharma. For some reason Hanso didn't want them taking over the Flame and being able to communicate with the outside world.


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