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Snowmaker 02-21-07 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by fumanstan
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was the dinosaur painting.

So, Sulu ripped up the Hiro vs. Dinosaur painting, and they just forgot to take it out of Isaac's studio for this week's episode?

Breakfast with Girls 02-21-07 12:13 PM


Originally Posted by johnglass
Some of the heroes are getting a wee bit too powerful. They seemed to pull back a little bit by limiting Hiro's power, but eventually they're going to get to a point with Sylar and Peter where they're going to have to introduce their own form of Kryptonite.

I imagine Sylar will be dead by the end of the season. Peter... who knows. He might become the Superman of this show, or the Dark Phoenix, or he might sacrifice himself at the end of the season to kill Sylar. I suppose he could also be significantly "de-powered" as a result of something (an encounter with Sylar?).

JasonF 02-21-07 12:27 PM

Easy answer: Isaac painted two (or more) paintings depicting Hiro fighting the dinosaur.

Nerdier answer: At some point in the future, Hiro will have the ripped-up dinosaur painting repaired. Then he will take the painting and travel back in time to leave it in Isaac's studio.

starseed1981 02-21-07 12:50 PM

Sheesh, at the end there I was hoping the producers we're gonna shock us with a Peter heel turn. That woulda rocked.

shumway 02-21-07 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by Breakfast with Girls
I imagine Sylar will be dead by the end of the season. Peter... who knows. He might become the Superman of this show, or the Dark Phoenix, or he might sacrifice himself at the end of the season to kill Sylar. I suppose he could also be significantly "de-powered" as a result of something (an encounter with Sylar?).

Let's just hope for the sake of argument that Sylar doesn't managed to kill and steal Peter's main ability though. Even though he is similar, just imagine if he instantly could have everyone's ability instead of only after killing them. Also, I don't recall if Peter met Eden, though, I don't think he did, as that would be an interesting power for him to have in his arsenal as well.

pinata242 02-21-07 12:56 PM

We still don't know that Sylar has to kill to get the powers. He's around Zane and Dale and he hears the "ticking" of their brains. I think he just needs time with the mark to change himself, perhaps they have to actively use it too. Remember how long he was in the back of the diner watching Charlie. It took him a while to figure out what her power was.

Now, the only thing that goes against that was how determined he seemed to be to kill Claire without pause. Maybe he was trying to injure her so she would have to use her power to heal and then he could "hear" how it worked. Then he'd kill her anyway.

Shazam 02-21-07 01:01 PM

"Kryptonite" is already there. It's Haitian man.

Snowmaker 02-21-07 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by JasonF
Easy answer: Isaac painted two (or more) paintings depicting Hiro fighting the dinosaur.

That's like saying "The Force" to explain any unanswerable Star Wars quandry. :lol:

I believe its an actual blunder.

johnglass 02-21-07 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by Snowmaker
During the Peter vs. Isaac scene, why was the painting of Hiro vs. the dinosour still there? Isn't that the one Hiro is carrying that his dad ripped?


I can't wait for the inevitable Peter vs. Sylar battle! You know its gotta happen!


You're right, it was the same painting.

http://heroeswiki.com/Hiro_and_the_D...%28painting%29

That's pretty sloppy if it wasn't done purposely.

shumway 02-21-07 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by Shazam
"Kryptonite" is already there. It's Haitian man.

I don't know if I buy that anymore. I used to think he was Mr Null 'n' Void, but, seeing as to how Peter had no trouble using his abilities on the roof, I don't know if this is the case anymore. Then again, if he snuck up on them and destroyed their memory in their sleep, that would be a different story.

pinata242 02-21-07 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by shumway
I don't know if I buy that anymore. I used to think he was Mr Null 'n' Void, but, seeing as to how Peter had no trouble using his abilities on the roof, I don't know if this is the case anymore. Then again, if he snuck up on them and destroyed their memory in their sleep, that would be a different story.

Agreed. Plus, he didn't seem to be able to stop Nathan from taking off into the stratosphere.

the big train 02-21-07 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by Shazam
"Kryptonite" is already there. It's Haitian man.

Was Peter close enough to acquire his power?

invisiblegt 02-21-07 02:57 PM

Now, this could just be me, but the impression that I received from the episode (at least, in regard to Hiro/Ando) was that Ando is, essentially, Hiro's "sword."

Bear with me as I attempt to validate my claim, as I'm not entirely certain how the justification will play itself out. Even as I type it, I am trying to formulate the phrasing on exactly what I mean.

The episode was, basally, stressing the importance of unity, and co-operative unification of pairs (or small groupings):

-In Griffin (alright, Claude) and Peter's case, the relationship was more one-way, in that Claude was relaying the understanding of power to Peter, although I suppose it could also be said that Peter was allowing Claude to re-affirm his humanity through contact.

-With Parkman, it was the joint venture between himself, Ted, and Wi-Fi (I'm not entirely certain of the new girl's name).

Now, enter Hiro and Ando's story. The entire conversation with Dauber was how relying on others will only lead to a unfortunate ending, be it physical, mental, or emotional. Hiro seemed to be slowly coming to that realization, and during the confrontation with Missi Pyle's character, Hiro saw the literal representation of that fear in Ando getting shot in the arm.

However, when the two dove into the baggage compartment, Hiro makes the claim that it was all his fault, and states that he never should have brought Ando along on his mission. Ando's reply is that had he not, he would still be sitting at his desk in Tokyo. He, if only for a second, shows Hiro that he is proud of what he is helping to accomplish, and that he would choose to be no place other than by his friend's side (this is asserted with Ando's follow-up "I would never know what it is to be a hero.").

Then, just as the gun is about to fire, Ando shouts that he doesn't want to die, and Hiro closes his eyes. From the aforementioned conversation, I believe that Hiro has reclaimed a sense of confidence, fleeting though it may be. Hearing his companion proclaim the want for life fills Hiro with a desire to activate his power that he had prior not had. Granted, there have been moments in which it would have been "nice" to have been able to use his power, but up until this moment, none were of such grave urgency.

In that respect, I feel as though Ando is Hiro's "muse," so to speak. His source of confidence and inspiration, enabling Hiro to be more than he would be alone.

(All of the previous is just a rather contentious analysis from myself. Please, for those of you who recall detail from past episodes which may counter my theory; feel free to come forth and dissect.)

mpitt 02-21-07 08:41 PM


Originally Posted by invisiblegt
Now, this could just be me, but the impression that I received from the episode (at least, in regard to Hiro/Ando) was that Ando is, essentially, Hiro's "sword."


I'm not going to call you crazy as most of what you point out has truth to it and you may be right, but I am thinking it may be Hiro himself that was causing his problems. I also don't think he needs the sword. I think he is blocked by his own conscious as he was using his power for many non-heroic things. I am betting he will find what he needs in his quest to Linderman to get the sword.

I could very well be wrong and it may be Ando that he needs. If this is the case, I will not be disappointed as I would like to see him come back.

shumway 02-21-07 09:51 PM

I think that you may be right about Ando being his 'muse,' in this particular instance. That situation was the perfect thing to drag him out of his funk and force him to use his powers. I don't however, think he needs Ando to be successful in using his powers. He only needed his hand to truly be forced.

Tommy Ceez 02-21-07 10:46 PM

So it was Ando slung over Hiro's back when he visited Peter from the future?

Shazam 02-22-07 01:37 AM

Haitian man's gotta figure into Sylar/Peter eventually.

One possibility is that he can only null some of their powers some of the time, so that they can't go all ape shit over each other using whatever powers they want.

The other possibility is that they first beat Haitian man to a pulp, then throw his corpse onto Mohinder, crushing him, then beat each other up. I'd pay good money to see that.

johnnysd 02-22-07 01:42 AM

I don't think any big battle with Sylar will happen this year.

ENDContra 02-22-07 05:48 AM


Originally Posted by starseed1981
Sheesh, at the end there I was hoping the producers we're gonna shock us with a Peter heel turn. That woulda rocked.

I was reading through this thread primarily to see if anyone else had this feeling as well. I dont think they would shock us with it out of nowhere (like a WWF heel turn which makes no sense whatsoever usually), but there is a nice setup for it to happen later this season.

buzzdalf 02-22-07 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by mpitt
I'm not going to call you crazy as most of what you point out has truth to it and you may be right, but I am thinking it may be Hiro himself that was causing his problems. I also don't think he needs the sword. I think he is blocked by his own conscious as he was using his power for many non-heroic things. I am betting he will find what he needs in his quest to Linderman to get the sword.

I could very well be wrong and it may be Ando that he needs. If this is the case, I will not be disappointed as I would like to see him come back.

I'm in the same camp as you on this one. The sword is just his sugar pill to make him think he is better.

kiddk1 02-22-07 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by CPA-ESQ.
Does anyone here think that Linderman is a Female?

I think they have refererred to linderman several times as "Mr. Linderman"


http://www.sff.net/people/rothman/images/bodyguard.jpg

Groucho 02-22-07 02:17 PM

Wow, nice reference. :lol:

I guess that Adam Baldwin is free now that Day Break is off the air...

Meatpants 02-22-07 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by kiddk1
I think they have refererred to linderman several times as "Mr. Linderman"


http://www.sff.net/people/rothman/images/bodyguard.jpg

I thought I read the role was given to
Spoiler:
Malcom McDowell

kiddk1 02-22-07 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by Meatpants
I thought I read the role was given to
Spoiler:
Malcom McDowell

this was a joke, adam baldwin played the role of linderman in the movie "my bodyguard over 20yrs ago.

mpitt 02-22-07 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by Meatpants
I thought I read the role was given to
Spoiler:
Malcom McDowell

I hope your right.
Spoiler:
I am a big fan of his. He also has a Star Trek link.


But, if I recall correctly at the beginning of the season, the rumor was that Sean Bean was cast as Sylar.

dpz301 02-22-07 07:43 PM


Originally Posted by ENDContra
I was reading through this thread primarily to see if anyone else had this feeling as well. I dont think they would shock us with it out of nowhere (like a WWF heel turn which makes no sense whatsoever usually), but there is a nice setup for it to happen later this season.

when i read the words, "a heel turn," i couldn't help laugh and thinking about WWE. :lol:

A-aron 02-22-07 08:25 PM


Originally Posted by mpitt
I hope your right.
Spoiler:
I am a big fan of his. He also has a Star Trek link.


But, if I recall correctly at the beginning of the season, the rumor was that Sean Bean was cast as Sylar.

It is being said that
Spoiler:
Eric Roberts
isn't Linderman, either.

Original Desmond 02-24-07 01:53 AM

good episode

Slayer2005 02-24-07 07:58 AM

Awesome episode.

movieking 02-24-07 09:51 AM

I don't think that Hiro stopped the bullets - I think that Ando did. Ando is going to have superpowers that we just haven't seen yet, IMO.

Slayer2005 02-24-07 07:03 PM

That's sort of what I was thinking. I know they won't just get rid of Ando. Not to mention that Ando is in more episodes than anyone else this season according to IMDB. It looked like a time reverse except that when the bullets got back in the gun something strange happend; It was like a backfire. I'm not sure how Hiro's power could've done that, so I'm leading towards Ando having super powers too.


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