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Old 11-20-06 | 09:27 PM
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They seem to be setting up something with her and Toby. Probably not a "hook up" but perhaps an awkward date or somesuch.
that would be pretty entertaining.
Old 11-20-06 | 10:42 PM
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Great episode!

Andy rocks
I'm really tempted to nickname someone I know (I'm not sure who, yet) "Big Tuna".......
Old 11-20-06 | 10:49 PM
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I'm really tempted to nickname someone I know (I'm not sure who, yet) "Big Tuna".......
I didn't know you knew Bill Parcells...
Old 11-21-06 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Tommy Ceez
All those people who bitched about the second office dynamic for most of the season are eating thier words with the Dwight/Andy/Michael
This was a great episode but it doesn't mean that anything from earlier episodes gets any funnier to those of us who were disapointed. THIS is what I've been talking about as far as some fans trying to bash others for not loving each episode as much as they did.
Old 11-21-06 | 08:48 AM
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This was a great episode but it doesn't mean that anything from earlier episodes gets any funnier to those of us who were disapointed. THIS is what I've been talking about as far as some fans trying to bash others for not loving each episode as much as they did.
If you hated the prior episodes, you at least have to admit that the route they have taken is now paying dividends. This isn't sketch comedy where you can get away with just setting up things on the fly -- there is a requirement that there be some development in order to get the payout in many cases.
Old 11-21-06 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Jimmy James
If you hated the prior episodes, you at least have to admit that the route they have taken is now paying dividends. This isn't sketch comedy where you can get away with just setting up things on the fly -- there is a requirement that there be some development in order to get the payout in many cases.
Oh yeah there was development that paid off however the complaint was against the earlier episodes not being funny enough. Season 2 provided teh funny as well as character development. If you and others think that this season as a whole has been just as good as Season 2 more power to you. I was just pointing out an attack (albeit a light one, this is a tv show after all) on people who have not enjoyed this season that far too many people seem to make.

I don't know if what I did will make things worse or help but my point is if someone doesn't like something as much as you do there is no need to attack them for it and it is silly to say that the quality of one episode will make people "Eat their words" when the complaint was against how funny the previous episodes were. Episode 9 being funny due to character development in episodes 1-8 does not make episodes 1-8 any funnier.

Oh and FYI: Still think the worst episodes in this season are funnier than most tv so I wouldn't say I hated them.
Old 11-21-06 | 07:41 PM
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Those are good points. I was just hoping we could find some common ground.
Old 11-21-06 | 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Jimmy James
Those are good points. I was just hoping we could find some common ground.
Well we both love The Office just different episodes different amounts. Last time I'm going to talk about it because even I'm sick of it now. I have no problem with you, or anyone else, Jimmy for liking the beginning of the season as much as last season. Please just don't tell me or anyone else that we are wrong for not liking it as much.

See we have lots in common. As long as you aren't on Team Karen....
Old 11-22-06 | 12:49 AM
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In my opinion Jim doesn't have too much to be upset about. He told an engaged woman that he has feelings for her and she turned him down. Then instead of cheating on her fiance she did the right thing and ended the relationship so (I assume) she could pursue a relationship with Jim. If he was so in love with Pam why would her turning him down simply because she was engaged mean that he has to completely give up on her? She's available now and she wants Jim, so Jim has no reason not to pursue her. I don't get it.
Old 11-22-06 | 07:54 AM
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The Convention episode sheds some light on that. Pam broke of the engagement but she wasn't the one to tell Jim and in fact hadn't even contacted him at all. Their first conversation was the after-hours one where Jim was trying to reach Kevin a few episodes back.

So in Jim's mind, although she had broken up with Roy, she wasn't interested in him or she would have at least been calling him. That coupled with a hot chick (Karen) coming on to him....well, a bird in the hand, my friend

His comment that he's seeing someone could have been mis-direction, too, in an attempt to get Pam's reaction. What was her reaction..."we'll always be friends". I think he may be hanging out with Karen but not really having viewed it as a relationship yet...now he's got justification to just shift gears and go for that.

Respect him....he'll likely bag both of them in addition to the hot red-head from season 1
Old 11-22-06 | 08:03 AM
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Yeah I'm not convinced that Karen and Jim are officially an item yet. He seemed really hurt when he talked about the situation in "The Convention". Maybe he is just being very guarded.
Old 11-22-06 | 08:55 AM
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I'm really tempted to nickname someone I know (I'm not sure who, yet) "Big Tuna".......
It's funny you should mention that. Yesterday, where I work, they had a new digital photo center installed and Kodak sent somebody out to train me to use it. The guy's name was Tuna. Even said it on his name-tag. Wasn't sure if it was a nickname or he just had weird parents (the guy looked to be in his late 40's/early 50's). Of course I wanted to call him Big Tuna, but he probably would've said "We're not there yet."
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Perhaps Pam will provide Toby and Michael with the benefits package in order to make Jim jealous.
Old 11-22-06 | 12:19 PM
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Perhaps Pam will provide Toby and Michael with the benefits package in order to make Jim jealous.
Someone should write one of those "naughty tv scripts" for The Office - Imagine the possibilities. There is a whole online culture of people who write and read those, but from what I've seen there isn't a lot of quality - the trick would be to make it funny.
Old 11-22-06 | 12:41 PM
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In my opinion Jim doesn't have too much to be upset about. He told an engaged woman that he has feelings for her and she turned him down. Then instead of cheating on her fiance she did the right thing and ended the relationship so (I assume) she could pursue a relationship with Jim. If he was so in love with Pam why would her turning him down simply because she was engaged mean that he has to completely give up on her? She's available now and she wants Jim, so Jim has no reason not to pursue her. I don't get it.
You are making very logical and cogent points. However, when the subject is "love", none of that applies unfortunately.
Old 11-27-06 | 12:39 PM
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November 27, 2006

They gave at 'The Office' — twice

At this sitcom, the actors are writers and vice versa.


Nov 27, 2006

By Scott Collins, Times Staff Writer

If NBC's comedy "The Office" feels like nothing else on television, it may be because the actors and writers are so often on the same page. In fact, they're frequently the same people.

Everybody's heard of performers who squirrel themselves away in their on-set trailers and pound out the odd script that winds up on the air, typically as a token of favor from the producers. But "The Office" is something else entirely, the rare scripted TV show in which the line between writing and performing is, by design, almost nonexistent. It's an improv-style approach that could yield some important lessons for those puzzled by the identity crisis and creative drift that generally seem to be afflicting the art of small-screen comedy these days.

A workplace mockumentary set in the Scranton, Pa., branch of fictional paper company Dunder-Mifflin Inc., "The Office" has had some of its most acclaimed episodes written by regular or recurring cast members, some of whom are barely out of college.

Mindy Kaling, who plays the show's "Indian Valley Girl" Kelly Kapoor, drew on her cultural heritage to write a script earlier this season that had the Dunder-Mifflin crew awkwardly celebrating the Hindu holiday Diwali. Another "Office" twentysomething, B.J. Novak, who plays the laconic young temp Ryan, is a stand-up comic with a Harvard education and writing credits on five episodes. Veteran comedy writer Paul Lieberstein became a performer entirely by accident, developing the bit part of the soft-spoken human-resources manager Toby into a wry portrait of a passive-aggressive player in corporate politics.

Even series star Steve Carell, who plays the endlessly embarrassing boss Michael Scott, has pitched in, writing last season's finale episode.

Executive producer Greg Daniels, formerly a writer-producer on "The Simpsons" and "King of the Hill," said the double duty is intentional. He has clauses inserted in the writers' contracts to cover whatever acting chores may arise. Kaling remembers Daniels mulling over a bit character in one script before suddenly turning to staff writer Gene Stupnitsky and asking, "Have you ever acted before?"

This seat-of-the-pants method serves a creative purpose. "Partly I was just imitating things I loved, like 'Monty Python' or 'Fawlty Towers,' where the writers and performers are the same people," Daniels said.

Moreover, because "The Office" is supposed to be a documentary about mid- and low-level corporate grunts, it makes sense for the performances to lack a bit of polish and not to be too fussy.

"The concept of the show is that it's an ordinary workplace where the people are funny but not particularly glamorous," Daniels said. If their posture, gestures and speech seem "a little awkward," all the better.

Daniels is also in some respects following the path of the original BBC version of "The Office," which co-creator and star Ricky Gervais wrote with his creative partner Stephen Merchant.

The approach garners no complaints from NBC, which has watched ratings for "The Office" climb after a very slow start in March 2005. "It's definitely unique and advantageous to have so many artists serve in dual roles on one show," NBC Universal Television Studio President Angela Bromstad wrote in an e-mail. "Clearly, they inhabit these roles fully and completely."

The 11-member writing staff of NBC's "Office" gathers for the typical "writers' room" bull sessions, in which Daniels solicits ideas and assigns scripts to individual writers. Although the basic structure of every episode is mapped out in advance, Daniels leaves plenty of room for improvisation within each scene.

"The actors I hired, I tried to have them all have improvisational backgrounds," he said. "Improv is a good tool to make it seem more natural."

At this point, anything that can shake up comedy's creative formulas is probably a good thing. One of the complaints about sitcoms in general is that the traditional "multi-camera" method, as well as dividing the script into "acts" that depend heavily on a setup-joke-setup-joke pattern, has grown threadbare. But simply making "single-camera" comedies that look more like movies hasn't necessarily helped either. In addition to interesting characters, new ways of telling stories may help capture the attention of increasingly fickle viewers.

In the case of "The Office," now-familiar roles such as Kelly's and Toby's were originally meant to be bit parts. But the dual roles aren't always easy on the cast. Lieberstein admits that he still feels a lot more comfortable writing. The internal reaction to early episodes, however, guaranteed him more air time as Toby.

"Kevin Reilly, who's the president of NBC, was watching dailies and said, 'He's funny. More of him.' And that got around," said Lieberstein, sounding not entirely thrilled by the development.

People may lament that writing is a solitary pursuit, but Lieberstein has discovered a near-existential loneliness when it comes to acting. "The parts of it that have been hard are finding out what an incredible black hole acting can be. You're out there and nobody talks to you, and you have no idea how you're doing." When he watches himself in dailies, "everything I see, I want to cut in the editing room."

He also feels intimidated by his more experienced colleagues, including Carell and Rainn Wilson, who plays the nerdy crank Dwight, and John Krasinski, as the ambivalent regular guy Jim (Krasinski hasn't written — yet — but Wilson writes NBC's "Schrute-Space" blog in character as Dwight). "I still feel out of my element as an actor," Lieberstein said. "I feel like I can play Toby well, but Toby has a very small wheelhouse."

Kaling too confesses she'd rather write than act. But her personality and background have helped develop Kelly into a popular supporting character and the sometime love interest of a reluctant Ryan. Her quirks have quickly been injected into Kelly's persona. That includes "the online shopping, the talking really fast and the elements of boy craziness too, unfortunately," she said.

Last year, she and her friend Vali Chandrasekaran, who writes for NBC's "My Name Is Earl," held a Diwali party for the casts of both shows. That led directly to this season's "Diwali" episode, which ended with Michael singing a Hindu tribute to the tune of Adam Sandler's "The Chanukah Song." "The network was so excited," she said. "They were like, 'What the hell is this holiday? I've never heard of it.' "

Kaling said she understands what Daniels is after, even if his temptation to cast from the ranks of the writing staff has sometimes led to suspicion of "sheer laziness" on his part.

Then she checked herself in mid-interview, recalling the political expediencies of workplace hierarchy that are satirized so expertly on "The Office."

"Oh, God, now I'm on record as saying my boss is lazy," she said. "I meant lazy in the best possible way."

The Channel Island column runs every Monday in Calendar. Scott Collins' television blog of the same name is at latimes.com/channelisland. Contact him at [email protected].

Chris
Old 11-27-06 | 10:13 PM
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Nice article, thanks for posting.
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Re: The Office - The Merger 11/16/06

I'm bringing this thread back from the dead!

I started watching The Office in syndication and never saw the original "super sized" version of this episode. In this episode there are five people who come over from the other branch - Karen, Andy, the black guy, the fat guy, and the lady with the baby.

In the scene in the conference room where Michael does the Night at the Roxbury parody there is a guy sitting behind Karen a the table, next to the lady with the baby. He is later seen sitting to Andy's right in the scene where Michael makes the newcomers sit on the table. You can see him exiting the conference room after that scene. Was he mentioned at all in the episode?

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Old 07-02-10 | 11:49 PM
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Re: The Office - The Merger 11/16/06

He's was probably someone associated with the production team that was used as an extra. Why are you so interested?
Old 07-03-10 | 02:48 AM
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Re: The Office - The Merger 11/16/06

Originally Posted by Jack Straw
He's was probably someone associated with the production team that was used as an extra. Why are you so interested?
I know they had random people in the office at the very beginning of the show, but they stopped doing that into the second season. It's pretty well established how many employees work in Scranton by this time in the series. I wonder if they wrote this guy into the show and then basically cut out his entire part.

Thinking about your answer, why would they need an extra? Why not just seat one of the regulars there?

Honestly, I'm more fascinated by the fact that I have seen this episode at least a dozen times, but just barely noticed this guy tonight.
Old 07-08-10 | 02:43 AM
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Re: The Office - The Merger 11/16/06

Originally Posted by madcougar
I know they had random people in the office at the very beginning of the show, but they stopped doing that into the second season. It's pretty well established how many employees work in Scranton by this time in the series. I wonder if they wrote this guy into the show and then basically cut out his entire part.

Thinking about your answer, why would they need an extra? Why not just seat one of the regulars there?

Honestly, I'm more fascinated by the fact that I have seen this episode at least a dozen times, but just barely noticed this guy tonight.
Old 07-08-10 | 11:58 AM
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Old 07-09-10 | 08:48 AM
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Re: The Office - The Merger 11/16/06

I dont remember the timeline of the merger but couldn't that just be a guy from the second office after the merger?
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Re: The Office - The Merger 11/16/06

Originally Posted by whotony
I dont remember the timeline of the merger but couldn't that just be a guy from the second office after the merger?
They make it pretty clear that only five people came over from Stanford. And again, by this time they had stopped slipping extras into office scenes.
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Re: The Office - The Merger 11/16/06

I remember wondering the same thing when I saw it but I figured it was from a sub plot or mini-plot that was dropped.

Like the building manager waiting to speak to the staff about being issued parking spots for the newcomers etc.

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