Also, sans being trapped in a cage and in fear of your heart exploding.

I thought it was an excellent episode with great character development for Sawyer's character, but not quite up to last week's. Still great though and I'm loving the way the producers have approached this season -- more action, less shitty side stories like a ring being lost or killing a Tree Frog.

By the way, does anyone know how this rated? did it pick up a little from the 16.3m last week?

This is my biggest problem, but I still enjoy the show a lot.

And they don't even throw the audience really much of anything that would even have us believe these people, even the ones in the background, aren't perfectly content living on this island where people are mysteriously dying, food drops come from the sky, etc.

I also had almost the same reaction to what Jack should have said.

Well, to be fair, it's also an island they've tried unsuccessfully to get off twice before, the first having resulted in a kidnapping and a gunshot wound. Michael tries to get off ... "OK, leaving the island is dangerous, but not impossible". But then Desmond ends up back after trying to leave and they start questioning themselves.

especially that last squeeze back in when her boobs were pressed up to her chin .. screencap, please?

oh, and when she was changing, did we catch a

[petergriffen] sideboob? [/petergriffen]

They've used non-lethal methods when they needed/wanted something from people. Maybe you're referencing a different time, but Ethan did kill Charlie when Jack and Kate were chasing him through the jungle. Charlie was dead when they found him and Jack resuscitated him. Also, the Others shot Sawyer when they took Walt and threw a bomb on the boat that could've/should've killed or severely injured Michael, Jin or Sawyer. The writers have shown us several times that the Others really don't have a problem killing people that get in their way.

I thought I heard the same thing...

The second island thing doesn't seem to be that much of a problem. Rousseau, simply by being introduced in the first season, does not need to have told them all the secrets she knew. It wouldn't even fit her character if she did.

Here's something I cooked up:

http://www.fantasticdamage.com/blog/alcamaui.jpg

My prediction is

I was thinking this myself as well.

My wife tapped out as soon as Ben killed the rabbit. She was pissed! Later on, I showed her the reveal...the rabbit is okay! She might be back next week.

:lol:

We have a pet rabbit that looks like the one Ben "killed" (ironically named Freckles), and my daughter was not happy - at least until the theoretical reveal.

Loved some of Sawyer's nicknames this time like Chinatown and Costanza. Gold, Jerry, GOLD!

I've been thinking about the x-ray of the spine on the board in the surgery room. Since the tumor appears to be on the L4 vertebrae (the lumbar region), I'm thinking that what if the x-ray does not belong to as the preview suggests, but to Locke? It would certainly explain why he cannot walk off the island, but can on the island (like Rose and her cancer).

So if it's 2 islands, how did the polar bears get to the Losties island?

I also like the speculation that the xray belongs to Locke, although I was wondering when they had time to xray him. I guess they got it from the real world.

I'm off to see about making some kate screen caps. :drool:

I highly doubt that the tumor belongs to Ben, as the previews are always pretty deceitful. I'm not quite sure it's Locke's either. Where would they have got the X-rays of him?

And, yes, Tom did mention a sub. I had CC on and he said it. Also mentioned it had been two days since the sky went purple and they hadn't got something to work since then.

I questioned the same thing on another board, but was told that polar bears can swim.

Polar bears are actually considered aquatic mammals.


http://www.seaworld.org/infobooks/Po...aptations.html

Thanks for the link. I thought they could swim, but I didn't think they could go for long distances. Up to 62 miles, that's pretty impressive.

I think I mentioned this before, but it may also be that they really needed the cages, sedated the bears, and moved them. That may be a good reason why they'd write "quarantine" on the inside of the hatch, too.

The same place they got Sarah's whole medical file.

Lots of speculation, seems that we still enjoy discussing this show even when it is frustrating. I am totally enjoying the start of this season as to last years start. I just wonder when we will begin to understand the agenda the OTHERS have. Why these three and just what do they want. I am really content with the way the plot is being developed and find Lost one of the few highlights of my tv viewing each week.

Great episode, eagerly awaiting the next two before hiatus.

How come this 2x Alcatraz Island cannot be seen from the Main island for all these years? (Desmond/Rousseu et al)

Why do people believe that nobody has seen the island?

when they panned out on the other's village in the season opener, that island looked a lot bigger than twice the size of alcatraz.

Exactly. There's been no reason for Desmond or Rousseau to bring up the island. "The Others are coming to kill you!!! By the way, allow me to tell you about this smaller island I once saw..."

"ABC has confirmed that "Lost" will go on mid-season hiatus after its third season's sixth episode on November 8th and return February 7th reports TV.Com.

The early and longer than usual hiatus is so that the show's return on February 7th will allow the serial drama to air uninterrupted and without repeats from February 7th right through to season finale time in late May - sixteen 'repeat free' episodes in all.

In its place during the hiatus will be the new Taye Diggs drama "Day Break" starting November 15th."

Anyone ever been to Hawaii? Theres tiny islands EVERYWHERE

Speaking of the Day Break drama, I was a bit confused because the ads for it seemed way too similar to the ads for the Denzel Washington/Tony Scott film Deja Vu that were also running during LOST. Does anybody think that Disney did that on purpose? The film and the TV show are both their productions.

February 7th.....

Maybe i am missing something, but what does Hawaii have to do with anything?
I realize the show is shot there, but it's not like that is where they are on the show itself.

The Others live on Island 1. Where they are right now with Jack, Sawyer, and Kate is on Island 2, which we saw last night.

It's my understanding that Hawaii is fairly representative of the way islands naturally occur. I'm not aware of many instances where there is just one island out somewhere all by itself. If I'm wrong about that, I'm sure somebody will point it out. :)

Where are the other Oceanic survivors (plus Desmond and Russo)? Is it Island 1 or perhaps an Island 3?

I still think everyone is taking this at face value. Ben had literally just told Sawyer all they put in him was doubt and then that, upon seeing the second island, there was nowhere to run. I still think they're conning him and trying to break him.

I think when they tell you that they're conning you and then tell you the next thing, it's probably the truth. That's the misdirection play. It also seems to me to fit better with the other known elements.

I don't know, I keep going back to this image and I can't see it as 2 separate islands. At least where the village and the tail landed. And since we know the fuselage and the tail are on the same island, I'd say all 3 of those locales are co-islandic (Firefox tells me that's not a word, but whatever).

Now, maybe where they currently isn't actually the same island, I have no way to disprove that, but I don't think the Others "live" somewhere other than the village.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums...escap-0090.jpg
Click for bigger.

I don't know. That, in and of itself, would seem like pretty good justification for bringing up another island. Even if it wouldn't improve their chances of rescue, you'd think they might want to check it out in the hopes that it might not contain polar bears, some mysterious 'sickness', an intelligent black cloud/security system that tries to pull people underground and a bunch of sinister assholes that like to drag people off into the night.

Is 'Michael' still in the opening credits? I'm wondering if he's gone for good.

The village the others live in is not the same place as where they have got Sawyer, Kate and Jack locked up.

Harold Pernauseasdjaklfjdlafd (Sp?). the actor who plays Michael, confirmed that he is not currently scheduled to tape any additional episodes but has been asked to remain available.