You and the rest of the "it's an island" groupies are in for a big shocker in two weeks. Like Baja Peninsula big.

Kickass ep. I've loved each one this season, this might've been my favorite.

Don't tell me that they're in a sparsely populated part of New Jersey.

I don't think so, since one of the others said he could run to the tail's crash site in under an hour.

Two separate islands, fool! Ben said so, it's gotta be true. He doesn't lie you know.

The "other's" village probably isn't on the same island as the one where they are keeping Jack, Sawyer and Kate.

Of course, if they were just blindfolded, wouldn't they have noticed boarding a boat to get to their current location after being caught by the others at the end of season 2?

It seems to me that they have a submarine they make regular use of. Perhaps that wouldn't be so obvious. Of course, it could also be that they just figured they put them on a boat to access another part of the island or something. We won't know until they show us what happened. I have to think that's a part of episode 6 or 7.

I used to really like this show...then I just sort of liked it...

Now I just hate myself for watching it.

I hate this show almost as much as Grey's Anatomy, yet there I am...every week.

I think it's a hit or a miss, but thought the last couple episodes were good.

I was laughing at the "DO YOU LOVE HIM?! [PUNCH]" moment. Other than that and the silly second island thing, I liked the episode.

well like I said the last episode - hmmm, there's a ferry where's the second island.... no response?

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It had all to do with the nature of Sawyer's character...

Sawyer helped the warden to help his daughter with the reward money. He cares but doesn't want anyone to know.

Sawyer didn't loose his fight until they threatened Kate with the same "fate". He cares but doesn't want anyone to know.

I'm all but 100% convinced that the writers are mining the internet for ideas. I remember the whole 'second island' thing being mentioned on the net as early as the beginning of last season, when the tailies first appeared. By this point, it seems absurd that there would be a second island that no one would know about. Roussou's been on the island for ages and has thoroughly explored it. Kelvin implied he'd been to the whole island when he was drawing his glow-in-the-dark map. And didn't Desmond say he'd sailed all the way around the island? It just seems absurd that there could be another giant island just a stone's throw away and no one's noticed it.

Other than that, it was a decent episode. It was pretty obvious that they didn't really put a pacemaker in Sawyer. Also, I'm betting it'll turn out the tumor x-rays are of Locke. After all, the whole 'Locke's paralyzed by a tumor that was dislodged in the plane crash' theory has been floating around the internet since his first flashback in season 1.

Locke was who I thought of as well with the spinal tumor. I didn't mind the flashback as Sawyer is an interesting character.

Trixie last week and Joanie Stubbs this week, I wonder which Deadwood actor will show up next week.

Yeah, remember the nice one he wore in "Predator?" ;)

This season opened with all three of them waking up and noticing a bandage on their arm. It seeme likely that they were sedated.

The second island thing seems a bit unlikely, since it seems someone would've noticed it. If it had been further away it might've been more credible; like far enough away that the main island was still visible, but it'd be hard to see the smaller island from the other direction.

However, it's possible that Rousseau has seen it, but saw how small it was that she discounted it, and didn't think of the possibility of the Others having a boat.

There's also the question of the bears. It was assumed that the bears and other animals had been let out of their cages to roam free on the island. However, the zoo is no on a different island. So how did the bears, and horse, get to the main island?

Is it really more unlikely that there is a second island they haven't noticed than there being a portion of their island they just haven't found that The Others live on?

Maybe they needed the cages (due to the sickness?) and had to sedate the animals and move them to the island they weren't using so much.

Ah, yes, I see you're successfully using Green's Law of Debate: "Anything is possible if you don't know what you're talking about."

;)

I'm not convinced that the island Ben showed Sawyer is the island. I mean, didn't Ben just tell Sawyer the only thing they put in him was doubt and now he truly believes there's "nowhere to run". They're conning him.

Perhaps the two islands are connected by an underground/underwater tunnel. After all, we know Jack is being held captive under water.

If not, the Others would have to have more than one boat because didn't they give theirs to Michael and Walt in last year's finale? They are interested in the sailboat however.

Or maybe the second island is in another dimension and that's why no one has been able to see it. oooh that's gotta be it.

Normally I'd think you were really stretching here, but I think I did hear someone say something like "sub's back" right when they went through all the hustle to get Colleen into the operating room.

Yeah, that's where I was getting that. In addition, we have reason to believe that they have a facility that is at least partially underwater.

it did look like there was blue screen action while they were on the cliff. well at least it did on my non HDTV viewing.

Maybe it's more like there was a cloaking device hiding the island from sight that is no longer functional because (one of the) facilities generating the magnetic field is no more.

Ah, that's another question. What was Mr. Friendly saying to Ben when Sawyer was coming to? Something about the sky going purple and not being able to get something working since then. Wife was blabbing to the 2-year-old at the time and I didn't want to rewind it and look like an anal jerk because I knew I had you guys anyway...

1) He said that the island was twice the size of Alcatraz (spelling?). That island isnt' very big, so twice that isn't very big at all. They could have seen this 2nd island and didnt' think much of it due to size.

2) I think he's keeping sawyer alive to blackmail Jack into something (i.e. healing the tumored spine).

Thats a kick ass name for a band "Healing the Tumored Spine".

Did anyone else here Henry say towards the beginning that "the sub was back"? Or did I here that wrong?

I heard that too, course i just thought it was code for that group.

Yes. 6 posts ago ;)

I thought I misheard that, but you and Jimmy seem to have confirmed it, or we're all just a special form of crazy.

^^ I heard something to that affect too.

Would that be blackmailing Kate into doing something to blackmail Jack into doing it? I'm not sure Sawyer by himself would be enough to blackmail Jack into anything.

I didn't get any more than you did, but it could very well be that there was an electromagnetic pulse that disabled their more sophisticated equipment (like perhaps the crash cart?) instead of some sort of cloak.

1. The seperate island thing does make sense considering the way The Others have been using boats and the interest they have in keeping the survivors from having boats.

2. Juliet is a "fertility doctor." Was she involved with Claire while The Others were holding her captive?

3. Ben mentions that The Others aren't killers. And so far we've seen them use non-lethal ways to subdue their captives like stun-guns and gunshots that only nick or wound. But we DID see Goodwin kill Nathan and Ethan claimed to have killed Steve. (Though when given the chance, he didn't actually kill Charlie.)

4. It still looks like The Others might be super-strong. Ben gave Sawyer quite a pounding with the truncheon; though I think Sawyer still should've been able to overpower Ben if he wanted to. Unless he was weak from being undernourished. Sawyer's a pretty big guy; probably a lot stronger than Ben, too. Also looked like Ben left himself wide open on a couple of those blows.

can't really remember but i thought danielle was the one who took claire?

My thoughts on the 2-island controversy:

1. They're all currently on the same island and Ben was showing Sawyer the island that contains The Others' little suburb to keep him in line.

2. The supposedly underwater Hydra station actually connects the 2 islands (which may explain the "if you run, you can make it there in an hour" comment in the season's first episode).

Any chance Sawyer's money ended up in the bank Kate robbed?

A rather boring and uneventful episode...........I loved it :)

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Kate was looking real good chainging and squuzing her ass out of those bars, nice!

like chess above I hate myself for continuing to watch this show.

It's maddening to me. If I get stuck on an island the first thing I do, is walk around the permiter. explore the fucker.. anyone who has been on any island maui etc knows that you can see islands all over the place in the distance.

damn stupid show

I agree with this. He could've possibly been lied to about the pacemaker, why not about "another" island?

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What's maddening to me is that they all seem resigned to stay on the island.

Like I mentioned in the thread during the episode that Jack had his first confrontation with that dude from Deadwood...he said to Jack it was "their island" (or something like that) Jack's response should've been "Keep it. We wanna get the fuck outta here". The only person who really seemed eager to get off was Michael.

Yeah, but would your island have smoke monsters and hostile 'others?' Sans those deterrents, I'm pretty sure they would have mapped the entire island by now. Meh, who am I kidding? You're right.