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Old 07-26-06 | 10:20 AM
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Will, just like last time, is playing a character. He's well aware of two things:

1. He has no chance -- none -- of winning the money.
2. Everybody wants to in the final two against him because of #1

So, he might as well have fun with it.
I would never take Will to the final with me. Everyone thought that was the trick in S2...And he won. He would do the exact same thing this time too. (win)
Old 07-26-06 | 10:35 AM
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I'm rooting for season 6 just because Chilltown (at least Boogie & Jase) are just douches. But I have to say, their strategy/logic this time around is bizarre. Chicken George? While floaters can ultimately be very dangerous, you don't worry about them when your primary foes' alliance is pretty much intact. And of all the floaters, CG is the last one to worry about this early. A little bit deeper, then yeah... because you don't want to face him in the end. But now? You go after the people who are rallying the other side against you. It's like they are afraid of retaliation, but **newsflash** they're already gunning for you guys.

You don't make these stupid "gentlemen's agreements" with people you know are outright liars. Kaysar's agreement with Chilltown was lame... didn't he learn anything from being shafted by Jennifer after their HoH contest agreement? It was fine to go after either Diane or Nakomis, but he should've pitted one of them against a Chilltown member to create tension between any anti-season 6 alliance those suballiances had been forming.

Janie is the only one who put up sensible nominees. Alison had already established herself as a personal enemy AND was a rallyer. And Danielle had made a strategic move against her and is an established good player. S6 better hope she gets HoH next out of their group, because heaven forbid someone like Howie gets it.
Old 07-26-06 | 10:53 AM
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Sorry if its already posted in here, but this is a lot to read, lol. I've only caught two or three of the All Stars season, including last nights. But I'm wondering what the deal is with Will? I didn't start watching Big Brother until season 5. And I know Will won season 2. Why is he the "best player of all time." And why, if he's saying he wants to go home, and is going to throw every competition, why are they keeping him? Why does everyone laugh when he says that? Fine I say, vote him off. I don't get it.
Old 07-26-06 | 11:04 AM
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Ah, I just read page 3 and it makes a little more sense. People won't vote him off because they want to take him to the final 2 cause they think they will win since he already won once. Well, I doubt that. Everyone likes him, and laughs at him. Like he said last night, he's put such a huge target on his back, its become invisible. I bet he'd win if they took him to the final 2. I think they should get rid of him, since he said he was going to throw all the competitions, and keep Jase, someone who is actually worth fighting against.
Old 07-26-06 | 12:42 PM
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Sbatl8y,
Will won season 2 mostly because he was able to convince all the other players that everyone hated him and nobody would vote for him in the final over whoever he was talking to. He was nominated for eviction several times - almost seemed weekly, but he always came out ahead. Everyone always viewed the other person as a bigger "threat". He threw every competition, so nobody ever had to worry about him getting HOH or anything.
I remember even viewers all started out hating him for whatever reason, but I always liked him, mostly because he wasn't afraid to speak his mind and told everyone what they wanted to hear. By the end of the season, he had a pretty big group of fans, just cause he's very funny.

Anyways, he's doing much the same thing this season so far, though since everyone already knows thats what he did season 2, he has to take more drastic measures. Make sure he's hated, but never more hated than his other alliance members.
Old 07-26-06 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DRG
I'm rooting for season 6 just because Chilltown (at least Boogie & Jase) are just douches. But I have to say, their strategy/logic this time around is bizarre. Chicken George? While floaters can ultimately be very dangerous, you don't worry about them when your primary foes' alliance is pretty much intact. And of all the floaters, CG is the last one to worry about this early. A little bit deeper, then yeah... because you don't want to face him in the end. But now? You go after the people who are rallying the other side against you. It's like they are afraid of retaliation, but **newsflash** they're already gunning for you guys.

You don't make these stupid "gentlemen's agreements" with people you know are outright liars. Kaysar's agreement with Chilltown was lame... didn't he learn anything from being shafted by Jennifer after their HoH contest agreement? It was fine to go after either Diane or Nakomis, but he should've pitted one of them against a Chilltown member to create tension between any anti-season 6 alliance those suballiances had been forming.

Janie is the only one who put up sensible nominees. Alison had already established herself as a personal enemy AND was a rallyer. And Danielle had made a strategic move against her and is an established good player. S6 better hope she gets HoH next out of their group, because heaven forbid someone like Howie gets it.
BB6 decided they needed to create another voting bloc in the house to divert attention from their own. Their logic was, that by allowing Boogie and Will to stay and having Jase join them, Chilltown was going to become so big and obnoxious that the floaters would be more compelled to nominate them instead of BB6. They have since changed their minds on the subject because the floaters just aren't falling for it. Chilltown appears pathetic and thus isn't becoming the threat to the house that BB6 wanted. It doesn't even seem to matter how many times Jase and Mike go on drunken rampages, the floaters always go back to wanting someone from BB6 gone.

I don't think it's fair to say Howie would be a bad HoH. That guy has been, by far, the most perceptive of the BB6 people. It's kind of scary when he gets serious because he pretty much knows the true allegiances of everyone in the house and doesn't trust people as much as the others do.
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James and Kaysar trust Erika, but she has some kind of sickening affection for Mike. James trusts Danielle, but she really wants to ruin BB6 while he wants to protect both Danielle and BB6. Janelle trusts Marcellas. She knows he's a flake and she wants to jettison him sooner rather than later, but she trusts him more than she should.

All of that is starting to change now as they get closer to the jury cut-off point. They know that Erika and Marcellas will be gunning for them very soon. They're actually getting very peeved with Erika's glaringly obvious non-committal behavior. They can't stand Marcellas and his constant "the four" talk anymore. Kaysar, Howie and Janelle are even on to Danielle. They know she's trying to work something with James and that she is really the one behind the recent push to get Jase to stay.
Old 07-26-06 | 01:24 PM
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Anyone who thinks Will isn't playing this game to win it, is under false assumptions. He can say whatever he wants, that he hates everyone and isnt motivated to play, that he is going to throw competitions, and that he wants to go home, is just him manuevering. I just listened to his live feed, and he is playing hard,and has a plan worked out down to where he is going to have his final 4 conversation and where the most private place in the house to be to discuss it. He's is a master...
Old 07-26-06 | 02:17 PM
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Here is a funny video of the houseguests re-enacting the veto ceremony. Each of them playing a different role. It's quite funny and makes me wonder if they should have perhaps shown more of it last night.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=JTbAhTT1KLI
Old 07-26-06 | 03:23 PM
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Will and Boogie interesting chats in the following two videos. Don't click if you don't want to know. Minor spoilers here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i32wWhuSRSs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-a1mIpru38
Old 07-26-06 | 08:01 PM
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You know how Kaysar has this compulsive hair twirling habit...? Yeah, he is having a hard time with it now that he has shaven his head!
Old 07-26-06 | 08:14 PM
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Was there a live feed when Jase threw that outburst before the veto nominations? I can't find it on youtube. Those veto re-enactments are hilarious. Especially the one where Jase does CG's speech.
Old 07-26-06 | 09:02 PM
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They didn't show the Jase outburst at all, it was all flames

Btw, I saw some of my youtube posts here. I don't do youtube at all, only for requests but I posts TONS of stuff each day to usenet/torrents

alt.binaries.tv.big-brother

And torrents either mininova.org or demonoid.com - Just do a search for big brother usa.
Old 07-27-06 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by magiccmom
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Anyone who thinks Will isn't playing this game to win it, is under false assumptions. He can say whatever he wants, that he hates everyone and isnt motivated to play, that he is going to throw competitions, and that he wants to go home, is just him manuevering. I just listened to his live feed, and he is playing hard,and has a plan worked out down to where he is going to have his final 4 conversation and where the most private place in the house to be to discuss it. He's is a master...
I completely agree with you. He is *the* master.
Old 07-27-06 | 10:58 AM
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Jase was back-doored by James. He took the easy way out but why would people vote to keep Will instead of JASE? Jase is playing the game but people like Erica, and Marsellius are just there they are puppets. Also Kaysar saying" If you want something done you have to do it your yourself" That was sad.. targeting George. All I know is next week whoever wins should put up Kaysar and George, thye can not compete to save themselves. Let the house decide!!! Kaysar is not as smart as everyone thinks he is.

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Old 07-27-06 | 11:59 AM
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Jase was not back doored by James. A back door is a pre-planned event. James didn't plan on George winning POV. Once George won POV then all previous agreements were off.
Old 07-27-06 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by jackson2006
Jase was back-doored by James. He took the easy way out but why would people vote to keep Will instead of JASE? Jase is playing the game but people like Erica, and Marsellius are just there they are puppets. Also Kaysar saying" If you want something done you have to do it your yourself" That was sad.. targeting George. All I know is next week whoever wins should put up Kaysar and George, thye can not compete to save themselves. Let the house decide!!! Kaysar is not as smart as everyone thinks he is.
I'm not sure that I understood all of that, but...

Back-dooring (the non porno kind) involves intent and premeditation. It's funny how people think this is a back door. George won POV and all bets are off. The HOH didn't nominate Jase, as he promised he wouldn't, but had to make a choice of a replacement. James always intended for CG to go, but BB had other plans and now it looks like Jase will go.

Janelle was the first person to say, "If you want someone out, then you should win HOH and do it yourself, rather than complain." She said this clearly obvious, very intelligent, completely straight up and rational comment to Boogie. Who, of course, freaked because he claimed she was challenging his manhood. While, that wasn't the case, there is also no evidence that Boogie has any manhood to be challenged.

Kaysar only repeated the same comment a few days later, when most of the house had realized (not a smart bunch), that what Janelle said was not offensive and made perfect sense. If you want someone out, win HOH and try and get them out, yourself. Seems like common sense to me.
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If Jase didn't want to get backdoored, then he needed to win POV, but he wussed out and paid the price. (Plus, bald Jase would probably look funny).
Old 07-27-06 | 12:11 PM
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I don't think it counts as a back door if that person had a chance to play in the immunity challenge.
Old 07-27-06 | 12:22 PM
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If you watch the episode, Jase commented before the veto competition how he was glad he was competing because he feared being the replacement if Will or Mike won. Then when he's out there on the deck having his tantrum, he's whining about how he didn't get a chance to compete. If he truly believes he's being "backdoored," then good; the jerk deserves it.
Old 07-27-06 | 12:56 PM
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You cant go into this game believing anybody or trusting anyone. You ALWAYS have to look out for yourself in any circumstance and take care of the week at hand instead of thinking ahead. Anyone who doesnt know this by Season 7 doesnt understand the game. You cant consider yourself an ALLSTAR if you are going to whine about getting backdoored.
Old 07-27-06 | 03:31 PM
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Personally I think Jase likes it in the backdoor.
Old 07-27-06 | 03:41 PM
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Personally I think Jase likes it in the backdoor.

***Moving to BBB***


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Old 07-27-06 | 07:38 PM
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Damn, it was a 9-0 landslide! Ouch!
Old 07-27-06 | 07:55 PM
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YES, Jase out and Janie won the HOH comp!!!! Love her or hate her, but she's really amazing at these competitions. She has more manhood than Boogie ever will. Woo-hoo!
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Spoiler:
Mike probably wants to kill himself right now!


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