The camp in those two episodes was 100% intentional and some people will like it and some will not. Peronsally, I kind of like it when a great series like this can be dead serious and then occassionally a be a little goofy. It's nice mix, IMO. It doesn't work for everyone though.

Regarding

IMO, the season 6 three part finale ranks up there with the very best of the series. I personally found it to be near perfection (though pretty much all of the Buffy finales are superb) and had only a few very minor nitpicking gripes.

My major complaint

This reminds me i need to rewatch season 6 :p

I caught a couple of BTVS on late night tv a few years back. They were out of order season 1 and 2 episodes and I only watched a few . They were good enough for me to buy The Chosen collection when it first came out because I thought it would be a lot cheaper then buying each season alone. I started watching it with my high school age daughter this summer. It was a nice way to spend some time together and have something to talk about we both enjoyed. My wife was goofing on me until she viewed a few episodes and she joined in during season 2. Now when we have a spare 45 minutes or so together we pop in an episode. Its weird but we all seem to get something different from the show because of where we are in life or who we are. We just started S4 and I don't think we will be switching between Angel and Buffy. But I'll certainly buy or rent at least S1 Angel to check it out.. Its nice to find this thread and find that others are discovering and enjoying this show for the first time also.

If you don't check out Angel at all you are REALLY missing something. To me Angel was a much more 'tighter' show then Buffy.

I agree. Bad execution in storyline. I thinnk we owe Marti for tht.

I plan on watching at least one season of Angel because I enjoy BTVS so much and all the great reviews in this thread. I checked out my Tivo and there are Angel episodes on at 4 am. I tivo'ed one from 2004 so I can get a bit of a taste. Does anyone think the show got better or worse as it progressed? My daughter is a big Boreantz fan for some reason, something about hottie or words to that effect. I hope they do all the seasons like The Chosen so I can save a few bucks.

Definitely better as it went on. Season one is fun, but (with one exception) each episode is pretty much a stand-alone. By season four, the show contained one long 18-episode story arc. Plus, a lot of the first season was kinda formulaic (and not that much different from a lot of other detective shows). You need to see the first season to get a lot of the backstory, but seasons four and five are SO superior to where the show started off, it's not even funny.

As much as I loved Angel season 1 it gets much better and the later seasons blow it out of the water.

Angel > Buffy IMO

I'm a fan of arc-based storytelling. Ignoring S1 and S5 to an extent (S5's episodic nature was an order from higherups), Angel had the best arc-based storytelling of any show I have seen since Babylon 5 (my favorite show). Angel's arc also was HARSH at times. Characters take a beating at times, no copping out. Whereas on Buffy IMO they tended to wuss out too often and be too nice to his characters (i.e. let's raise character X from the grave again, hit the reset button back to status quo, etc).

Buffy was good, but its arc-based storytelling was much weaker. Buffy's strength was in its humor, characters. It had more of a standalone episode feel IMO. My wife disagrees with me, she tends to like Buffy a bit more than Angel.

Another one that thinks Angel gets better (and darker) as it goes on. Season 1 was decent but the others were far better.

And I so agree with this. I think part of the reason I liked Angel over Buffy just a bit more, was that the darker aspect of the show, seemed to bring a bit more realness to it, too - if you get what I'm saying.

got a question about a season 4 episode

It was supposed to feel weird.

Even Buffy thought it was weird. :). I loved the fact that they put

Also in the episode before that

I've kind of liked season 4 up to this point. Not so much the

I guess I am one of the few that actually liked

Joining the thread very late, as I just now finished season 7 of Buffy.

I had watched seasons 1-5 about a year or so back, and I got far enough into season 6 to see the "evil" trio and gave up. The writing was just too contrived. Why were these clowns any sort of threat to Buffy? Only because Buffy and every god-damned member of the Scoobies were conveniently distracted with their heads up their asses. How conveeeeeenient. After seeing Buffy save the world from supernatural menace after supernatural menace, I just can not be expected to believe that these 3 morons that keep fighting between themselves could pose any real threat.

That being said, the season did get better towards the end as Warren's character improved, and the last 3 episodes were great.

On the whole, I enjoyed season 7 more than 6.

My biggest complaint about the series, though, is the way Whedon and the other writers ignore the whole "rule" of the slayer that they started out with.

In every generation a Slayer is born. That indicates that there should only be one slayer per generation, and if she dies, you have to wait for the next generation. That's just somantics, though. Christ, I'm going to have to black out this whole block for spoilers...

Here's why...

Not quite.

I own every single season of Buffy and Angel. I bought them all on the days they came out originally.

Not including watching them when they first aired on tv, I've watched every season about 4 times now... I'm currently on Angel season 1, on my fourth time through starting with Buffy season one. And once I finish the final season of Angel... I'll start over with Season 1 of Buffy for my 5th time through.

I guess basically I'm trying to say that Buffy and Angel are my absolute favorite shows EVER. And currently Veronica Mars is my favorite that's on tv.

And there is no way you can compare Buffy to Angel. It's two absolute different styles. And they both have the best writing, acting, and wit of any show I've ever seen. It's smart/witty comedy with superb action, intense drama, all mixed together with a little bit of horror.

In my opinion, the two best shows out of them both, came from the Buffy series. "Once More with Feeling" and "Hush".

Ok I think I'm done writing my novel... haha.

-Nick

Lazy writing.


Exactly why I think that season 5eason 6 was by far the worst season of Buffy. A real eye roller.

Some people will simply never "get" season 6. The trio wasn't supposed to be a real threat in the first place, at least not at first anyway. They had just done a season with a so instead of trying to top that they tried to do the exact opposite by having what seemed to be comical harlmess super villain geeks that started off as funny, but eventually


In real life sometimes the easier things are harder. How else do you explain a great boxer like Winky Wright dominating an all time great power puncher Tito Trinidad for 12 rounds yet struggling with inferior competition? It's no different with Buffy. She struggled more than she should have against light weight competition. The same thing happens in real life. Mike Tyson KO'd freakin Larry Holmes and smashed Michael Spinks in 91 seconds yet got dominated and KO'd by Buster Douglas. Why? Well, similar reasons to why Buffy had trouble with the trio. He had his head up his ass, he wasn't focused, he didn't train right, etc; Baiscally, life problems and the fact that he didn't take his opponent seriously for one second. Much like you and Tyson when fighting Douglas Buffy didn't take her opponents seriously and she and others ended up paying for that mistake.

If the same thing can happen in the real world why is it so absurd on Buffy?


Season 6's real big bad