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Old 04-19-06 | 10:00 AM
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I don't mind it. Its better than Squidbillies. Hopefully they will start showing City Guys on adult swim too.
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Originally Posted by GuessWho
If SBTB is on, then I may actually watch the channel for the first time.



You guys know channel names are meaningless, right? After a while, they're generic brand names. Ever realize that MTVshows reality shows and Country Music television shows Dukes of Hazzard reruns? What about the Sci-Fi channel showing more ghost/psychic/horror stuff than outer space?
Yes.
I haven't watched MTV since the 'reality' show fad/craze/obsession began; for videos, I'll watch VH1 Classic.
CMT - don't watch this one.
Sci-Fi channel: see Hammer post above. [This one is a little more wide open; there are a lot more stories that qualify as "science fiction" than just outer space stories, and some of those are only "SF" because they're in space.] One definition I've heard of 'science fiction' versus 'fantasy' is that SF is just one "if", generally related to science/discovery/technology, and the rest of the story is a natural progression of that "if". So perhaps some of those programs that are horror/ghost/psychic could technically be termed 'science fiction'. I haven't seen any of them, so I can't cite any specific examples.
disclaimer: I haven't watched SciFi in quite some time either.
Old 04-19-06 | 10:24 AM
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Kept meaning to start a thread on this.

About three weeks ago, they showed Dumb and Dumber on a Friday night in prime-time. Since that time, they've shown Roger Rabbit and a few other non-animated feature films, and they've advertised a bunch more.

I just don't get it. Do they not bother to read the bug they have in the corner? They've got no problem understanding the "Network" part; it's the "Cartoon" part they're a bit lost on......
I have a theory. The same people running the sci fi channel have taken over the cartoon network. Therefore they will show things that have nothing to do with the genre the network is known for. Sci Fi shows Apollo 13 (NOT sci fi) and Cartoon Network now shows live action sit coms, and not very good ones at that.

That's it. The world is going to end.
Old 04-19-06 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Cusm
You do realize adultswim target age is not 6-11.
What did I write gave you the impression that I didn't?

You of course realize that Cartoon Network and Adult Swim are considered by Nielsen and advertisers to be completely different networks. (Similar to Nickelodeon and Nick-at-Nite.) CN targets kids 6-11; Adult Swim targets adults, but mostly males, 18-34.

Maybe I'm not following you.
Old 04-19-06 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Shemp
What did I write gave you the impression that I didn't?

You of course realize that Cartoon Network and Adult Swim are considered by Nielsen and advertisers to be completely different networks. (Similar to Nickelodeon and Nick-at-Nite.) CN targets kids 6-11; Adult Swim targets adults, but mostly males, 18-34.

Maybe I'm not following you.

This thread and discussion was about adultswim showing SBTB, so how does CN going after 6-11 have any relation?
Old 04-19-06 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by dtcarson
Maybe for daytime scheduling, but their PM, Adult Swim, and early-morning demo is at least teens/college kids, if not adults. Maybe their big moneymakers are kids toy commercials, so that's where they spend a lot of energy/time, and the after-hours is more of an after-thought.
Until 1030p at night, Cartoon Network makes its money selling commercial time aimed at kids 6-11. After 1030p, the channel you're watching becomes Adult Swim, and the target demo ages way up.


Originally Posted by dtcarson
i don't necessarily disagree about the cyclical nature of entertainment, but I don't know if I do agree about live-action being a big draw.
It is. Although shows like 'Spongebob' are still popular with special episodes drawing big numbers, kid-oriented fare like 'That's So Raven', 'Zoey 101', 'Drake & Josh', and 'Suite Life of Zack & Cody' are consistently the top shows among kids. That's not to say that if a kick-ass cartoon launched it wouldn't be popular, but right now live-action is the trend.


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Plus, I don't know, "cartoon network" should be all things cartoon, in my mind. There's so many styles of animation, they could even pick up some live-action-like animation.
And you're in good company thinking that.


Originally Posted by dtcarson
Expanding business, sure, they're in business to make money, I don't deny that. If they branch out to focusing on live-action, I will be very disappointed, especially given the crap they've decided to show in the live-action realm.
But how will running a not-very-good high school sitcom at midnight make them any money? Either they personally like it [which explains some of the programming decisions recently], they're trying to be cool, or they got it reaaaaaallly cheap/free, so it's a free half-hour.
Remembering that CN and AS are not the same network, I think the live-action kids stuff they've aired fits with the brand. I'm not equating the two, but 'Dumb & Dumber' often reminds me of a live-action 'Ed, Edd n Eddy'. Then there's 'Roger Rabbit' (manic animation); 'Batman' (they show the cartoon); and 'Small Soldiers' (action & CGI animation).

As for Adult Swim, like I said, I think airing 'SbtB' is a mistake, and they're going to pay for it in the ratings.
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Originally Posted by Cusm
This thread and discussion was about adultswim showing SBTB, so how does CN going after 6-11 have any relation?
Because people were reading the 'SbtB' story and posting about how much Cartoon Network sucks now. I felt it should be pointed out that Cartoon Network and Adult Swim have nothing to do with one another except sharing the same channel on your dial.

Cartoon Network is airing live-action for its reasons, but Adult Swim is airing 'SbtB' simply because they think its cool.
Old 04-19-06 | 11:23 AM
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If you guys are debating semantics over the word "cartoon" in cartoon Network...


Show me the words "cartoon" or "animation" in the phrase "adult swim"




Ashas been said, Adult Swim is separate, so why is Adult Swim (still no hint of animation in that name) being held to the standard of something that has "nothing to do with one another except sharing the same channel on your dial"
Old 04-19-06 | 12:34 PM
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Adding SBTB and cancelling Justice League? Glad I won't be watching CN anymore once JL is done.
Old 04-19-06 | 12:35 PM
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Jesus people. SBTB is only going to be on for 2 weeks. Let's overreact a little more.
Old 04-19-06 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DRG
Ironically, Saved by the Bell is the show that almost killed the Saturday Morning Cartoon concept. It's success led to networks showing mostly live action kids shows for awhile, and eventually stuff like Today and the Early Show. Fox and WB have picked up the slack a little and somewhat revived the idea, but it's not really the same.
Interesting, I didn't realize it had so much impact.

I thought "The Kids from C.A.P.E.R." did that. If you get that unbelievably obscure reference, you're an old bastard just like I am.
Old 04-19-06 | 12:41 PM
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I'm so excited!

(edit: damn you goose!)
Old 04-19-06 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by dtcarson
Yes.
I haven't watched MTV since the 'reality' show fad/craze/obsession began; for videos, I'll watch VH1 Classic.
CMT - don't watch this one.
Sci-Fi channel: see Hammer post above. [This one is a little more wide open; there are a lot more stories that qualify as "science fiction" than just outer space stories, and some of those are only "SF" because they're in space.] One definition I've heard of 'science fiction' versus 'fantasy' is that SF is just one "if", generally related to science/discovery/technology, and the rest of the story is a natural progression of that "if". So perhaps some of those programs that are horror/ghost/psychic could technically be termed 'science fiction'. I haven't seen any of them, so I can't cite any specific examples.
disclaimer: I haven't watched SciFi in quite some time either.
And along those lines, when was the last time A&E actually had arts or more than a touch of entertainment. Dog the Bounty Hunter marathons? Art?

Death Wish III? An American Movie Classic?

I gladly ditched extended basic cable a couple weeks ago. The only things I'll really miss is catching new eps. of Battlestar Galactica & Turner Classic Movies. Thanks be to the DVD.
Old 04-19-06 | 02:23 PM
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And along those lines, when was the last time A&E actually had arts or more than a touch of entertainment. Dog the Bounty Hunter marathons? Art?

Death Wish III? An American Movie Classic?

I gladly ditched extended basic cable a couple weeks ago. The only things I'll really miss is catching new eps. of Battlestar Galactica & Turner Classic Movies. Thanks be to the DVD.
Tell me about it. TLC: While you could argue there's some 'learning' going on on some of those shows, giving someone 5 grand and mocking their dress style isn't "learning". And the few times I've passed by AMC, I've definitely given a "WTF?" GI Jane?

We still have cable, because it's actually almost cheaper getting all the stuff we do get, than going 'basic'; and both my wife and my boy watch some programs on the 'extended' channels; we use the DVR, which is built into the cable box; but if it were just me, I'd be quite all right cancelling cable as a whole. I occasionally record a movie, but I can get most of them from BBO.
Old 04-19-06 | 02:24 PM
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I don't mind it. Its better than Squidbillies. Hopefully they will start showing City Guys on adult swim too.

If they show City Guys they gotta show Hang Time with the hot blonde and a young Anthony Anderson.
Old 04-19-06 | 02:25 PM
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Sooner or later, every specialty channel turns into another frigging USA and/or TNT. The squeeze-out-every-dollar-mentality makes everything identical eventually, just like the assembly line summer blockbusters.

Actually, I'm surprised BET still has the same target audience. I expected it to become "Big Entertainment Televsion" ages ago, kinda like "The Nashville National Network"...
Old 04-19-06 | 02:30 PM
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While "Adult Swim" doesn't necessarily equate to "cartoons", to me it means "It's the adults' turn to do what the kids are doing." Cartoon Network shows cartoons, so, Adult Swim is the time for kids to get out of the pool and for adults to watch cartoons. So the implication is animation.

Roger Rabbit and Small Soldiers, I can see. They're CGI animation. I still enjoy 'hand drawn' animation, but there's definitely room for CGI on the lineup.

I always took "Adult Swim" to be a themed "block", sort of like Must See Fridays or Nick at Nite. The only 'different channel on the same place' I recall was Fox, wasn't it broadcast using another channel originally? Nick/Nick at Nite I've always considered 'alter egos' or something. One channel, aimed at two different demographics.
Old 04-19-06 | 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Mopower
If they show City Guys they gotta show Hang Time with the hot blonde and a young Anthony Anderson.
Old 04-19-06 | 05:31 PM
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I gladly ditched extended basic cable a couple weeks ago. The only things I'll really miss is catching new eps. of Battlestar Galactica & Turner Classic Movies. Thanks be to the DVD.
I haven't had cable for years. Everything I want to see is released on DVD eventually...with one (one) exception. And I'm not gonna pay $60 bucks a month for just The Daily Show (though I love it very much). I can't wait 'til Boondocks finally hits disc.

Cable blows chunks.
Old 04-19-06 | 06:36 PM
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Anyone who STILL hasn't given up on cable yet deserves whatever they're getting, both in terms of programming (or lack thereof) and service from the cable company.

Cartoon Network dumping cartoons? Even I didn't see that one coming. Could never watch it with the damn logo on the screen anyways.
Old 04-19-06 | 08:22 PM
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I think this is a great move. I can't wait until I can watch The Shawshank Redemption on Adult Swim.
Old 04-19-06 | 08:32 PM
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Well, if they are showing Saved by the Bell, they might as well show Showgirls so we can see Kelly all GROWN up.... it is ADULT swim after all!
Old 04-19-06 | 10:08 PM
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um, it's jesse, not kelly. come on, man!
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Well, if they are showing Saved by the Bell, they might as well show Showgirls so we can see Kelly all GROWN up.... it is ADULT swim after all!
Wishful thinking.

The brainy one went on to "Showgirls" and it really wasn't that great.


Why not cut the crap (SBtB) and give us good stuff. The Fox X-men cartoon from the early 90's.
Old 04-20-06 | 06:22 AM
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http://www.adultswim.com/williams/ne...s/default.html

It looks like they ordered 30 more episodes and its back in production.


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