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the Sopranos -- "Mr. & Mrs. John Sacrimoni Request..." -- 04.09.2006

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Old 04-10-06 | 08:46 AM
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To me, the whole 'weakness' in Vito's storyline is that he couldn't have come to terms with it before he married, had kids, etc. Him being gay isn't his weakness, it's the fact that him not being truthful to who he is (regardless of society) has made him weak; that and the fact that his sexual preference will hurt his family. I'm not sure what Vito is gonna do, but if he gets killed for being gay, then that's harsh, but if he gets killed for being irresponsible and starting a family and such, with the knowledge that he liked men, then I can understand/stomach that a lil bit better.
I can picture that scene. "...and this bullet is for not being honest with yourself and misleading your wife!"

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And I'm not sure if anyone is gonan even know what I'm talking about, but the actress that played Allegra reminded me a lot of a slimmer Lori-Beth from All That circu mid 90's (she did Vital Information and was a large Marge to say the least). Again...maybe that's just me.
For the first half of the episode, I thought it was her.

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BTW...mark my words...Chris is going down on a Terror related charge
Very interesting possibility. I was thinking that Chris will get all patriotic and kill them for requesting the guns.

As for the bar scene, there are many over-the-top leather bars just like that in the tri-state area. So I hear.
Old 04-10-06 | 08:54 AM
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I have to agree that the beating looked like a setup. Since that guy seems to be just starting out in Tony's crew then he'd probably do anything to get a bump, even get his ass handed to him.
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Out of curiousity, if a fed got too close for comfort for Tony and co. or pissed them off too much, would they crack and whack the agent? I'm surprised they haven't whacked an actual agent by accident yet, or had an undercover one infiltrate a las Donnie Brasco. If they discovered someone was an agent would they whack them?
Old 04-10-06 | 09:35 AM
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I was kinda bummed to see the new driver get the beatdown. He looked like he had the stuff to be the new Furio and I was looking forward to him doing some enforcement. Not sure if we'll ever see him back again or not now...
Old 04-10-06 | 09:48 AM
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THe best way to have soooo much federal pressure that you can never earn a dime again is to have a Fed agent die violently while on your case
Old 04-10-06 | 09:58 AM
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Also, when Johnny Sac's daughter said "you almost made your goal" was pretty funny as well.
Even better, I believe the line was something like "you almost came close to making your goal."
Old 04-10-06 | 10:38 AM
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I can picture that scene. "...and this bullet is for not being honest with yourself and misleading your wife!"

hahaha, exactly! Oh, and don't forget about the kids! Hahaha.
Old 04-10-06 | 11:09 AM
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I loved how Melfi ended-up pushing Tony back to his old ways. Not that he probably wouldn't have ended up there anyways, but her advice cofirmed to Tony that it was appearances that mattered.

And as to why Vito didn't just off those two guys, he felt sure they told everyone as soon as they left that place. That's why he woke Silvio up at 3am and tried to find out if anything was up to see if the news was out.
Old 04-10-06 | 11:24 AM
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Maybe it's just me, but Tony was just one gut-punch away from dying have the muscles from Brussells got a clean shot to the solarplexis.

I also LOL'd at the "How about a mercy f-ck?" line.
Old 04-10-06 | 11:28 AM
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And as to why Vito didn't just off those two guys, he felt sure they told everyone as soon as they left that place.


I agree, I think it isn't as easy as you think to whack two guys in a second, I mean if Vito takes out one of the guys, probably the other will have time to take a shot at him. I mean these guys aren't like Eastwood in High Plains Drifter!
Old 04-10-06 | 11:36 AM
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Maybe it's just me, but Tony was just one gut-punch away from dying have the muscles from Brussells got a clean shot to the solarplexis.
Which is why I, too, was thinking it was a set-up. The only evidence it was not was the camera lingering on various cronies' muscles - as if Tony were sizing up the weakest link.
Old 04-10-06 | 12:12 PM
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Which is why I, too, was thinking it was a set-up. The only evidence it was not was the camera lingering on various cronies' muscles - as if Tony were sizing up the weakest link.
Not the weakest link, but the stongest link. Take out the youngest and strongest guy in the room for maximum respect. I like how when Muscles got pissed off and charged Tony, everyone was shouting, "NO! Don't do it!" He got off easy with a beating. If he had kicked Tony's ass, he would never have gotten out of there alive.
Old 04-10-06 | 12:31 PM
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Not the weakest link, but the stongest link. Take out the youngest and strongest guy in the room for maximum respect. I like how when Muscles got pissed off and charged Tony, everyone was shouting, "NO! Don't do it!" He got off easy with a beating. If he had kicked Tony's ass, he would never have gotten out of there alive.
Even my mom asked me why the young guy didn't kick the shit out of Tony. I think there's two reasons he didn't. He was suprised as hell by how Tony reacted and he couldn't fully take on the mob boss because then he'd be sleeping with the fishes. Even the biggest hot head knows that there are certain people you don't fuck with.
Old 04-10-06 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Charlie Goose
Not the weakest link, but the stongest link. Take out the youngest and strongest guy in the room for maximum respect. I like how when Muscles got pissed off and charged Tony, everyone was shouting, "NO! Don't do it!" He got off easy with a beating. If he had kicked Tony's ass, he would never have gotten out of there alive.
To qualify further, the weakest of the strongest, actually.
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As far as Vito goes, I see only three options. The first was to whack the two guys that saw him (I doubt he had his gun on him in the club, though he could have). He didn't do that. His second would be suicide, and while this still might happen, I don't think Vito is going out that way. As I see it, his only other out is to turn state's evidence against Tony and go into the witness protection plan so he can maintain the one 'lifestyle' that means anything to him. No way he sticks around as a capt. after being seen dressed like the Village People.
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Tony and Christopher's conversation about the Godfather and wedding days alone was worth the price of admission!

Chris: "It's like the movie."
Tony: "Which movie?"
Chris: "One."

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Few notes from this week's thread:

Which brings me to my next point:


Everything the mob is built on is "schoolyard". Mafia = bully taking your lunch money... with guns. The idea is you get your ass kicked until you break and pay "tributes" (lunch money) or refuse or threaten to rat. Then you die. As I've said before, the boss is the guy most feared by the rest of the gang. Tony knew he was being looked on as in a weakened state and had to show he was still someone to be feared. But you're right about the fact that "Penne Arrabiata" woulda kicked his ass in real life.

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I am not so sure he would have. The bodyguard struck me as a workout guy but not an experienced fighter. I think he is so buff and so eager to get in fights because he gets his ass handed to him so often that he continuously needs to prove he is tough. Also he looked like he was in his early 20s. Believe it or not, a 40 something actually has better control of his body and can use his strength to better advantage than a younger person. Coupled with the fact Tony has been fighting his whole life, and had the first shot I thought it was realistic he could take him.
Old 04-10-06 | 02:17 PM
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doesn't it have enough rooms for 5 or 6 weddings at once? They probably paid for the entire place for privacy?
Yeah, that would make sense, I hadn't thought of that. You're probably right.

I really don't think Tony's beat down on Mussels Marinara was a set up. If it was Mussels would have have to be killed immediately.
Old 04-10-06 | 02:33 PM
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Tony: you actually lose muscle mass laying there, not fat. You'd think somthun' good woulda come outta dis.
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No way that was a set-up. Tony knew he needed someone who would fit back. The smart guy would take a beating rather than fight back because getting your ass handed to you is better than getting killed for beating up on the boss. When they were driving and he started to get out of the car to 'talk' to the guy who cut him off, Tony recognized that this guy had serious anger issues (roids?) and would snap easily.
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As far as Vito goes, I see only three options. The first was to whack the two guys that saw him (I doubt he had his gun on him in the club, though he could have). He didn't do that. His second would be suicide, and while this still might happen, I don't think Vito is going out that way. As I see it, his only other out is to turn state's evidence against Tony and go into the witness protection plan so he can maintain the one 'lifestyle' that means anything to him. No way he sticks around as a capt. after being seen dressed like the Village People.
i agree with this. my suspicion is that he turns himself in and requests witness protection. however, now that he has been outed, he will not be able to wear a wire or infiltrate any current, active activities.
Old 04-10-06 | 03:29 PM
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i agree with this. my suspicion is that he turns himself in and requests witness protection. however, now that he has been outed, he will not be able to wear a wire or infiltrate any current, active activities.
I hadn't even thought about this until coming here, but I definitely see that as a possibility. And dude, we knew Vito was gay, but seeing him in the club, we realized he is REALLY gay. I mean the little leather hat and everything. It doesn't surprise me though that he would be into that kind of thing. And yes, I think the bar scene looked a bit dated, but just because something is dated doesn't mean that it still isn't relevant. There are leather-type clubs for straights, aren't there? Sexual tendencies never completely change. There will always be people, straight or gay, who are in to that kinda thing.

I was thinking Christopher would maybe call in the feds to report the Arabs trying to get guns. Didn't he say before how they would refuse to help terrorists? But if he doesn't turn them in, I bet he does get brought up on terror-related charged. Maybe the Arabs are actually FBI themselves? Is there any reason to know for sure that they aren't?

Overall, a pretty good ep, although I could have gone without seeing Tony throw up like that at the end. I was very happy that we got to see Melfi again, with a session with Tony to boot. I still would love to see her meet with Carmella more though.
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I agree that while the leather bar was over the top, it was also perfectly believable. on the flip side, i've been in some dives where the mullets and AC DC tshirts made it feel like I stepped into a wormhole that deposited me right back in 1983. I would imagine the timewarp factor would actually be part of the appeal. And I've certainly seen all the chains, assless chaps, and whatever else for sale in adult shops.
Old 04-10-06 | 05:09 PM
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Tony beat up Kurt Angle!
Old 04-10-06 | 05:26 PM
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Definitely seemed like a setup to me.

Great episode. Enough with this Kevin Finnerty stuff (although I do expect to see it again this season). I was reading an article about Vito, and the actor himself said that he suggested that Vito be gay, after reading a book based on a similar real life character named Vito.

Looks like Meadow will be walking down the aisle soon. At least Finn won't have to worry about Vito, seemingly.


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