The special effects at the Fortress were beyond horrible. That's all I have to comment on.

I've always thought of Pa Kent/John Schneider as the glue that kept the show together. :(

Maybe I hit fast forward too far on my tivo because I dont remember Terrance's voice during the episode. I just remember Clark saying I made a deal with Jor El.
Have to go rewatch.
Sad to see Scheneider go. I really wish they had gone with Lana even though I am not a Lana Hater. It would have made more sense and moved Clark closer to his destiny in my opinion.
So what was up with the Lois unconcious scene? How did that happen?

There's a jump cut after Lana dies and Jonathan is holding Clark.. commercial... come back and Clark is at the FoS already talking to Jor-El.

As someone already mentioned. In the first sequence, Lois was trying to get those Oreos off the top shelf and almost falls before Lana comes in and saves her. In the second sequence, we assume that because of the altered events, Lana doesn't go in to save Lois from falling.

Bummer, I'm going to miss Johnathan Kent on this show...

Everybody keeps mentioning the homage to Superman: The Movie but I don't think anybody's mentioned the S:III homage -- turning a lump of coal into a diamond.

I think most have tried to forget Superman III. I know I have.

Ditto.

I can't wait for an homage to Superman IV. Then again, maybe there's already been one. I don't remember much from IV.

Simply an "ok" epsiode of Smallville, I expected more, especially after seeing the preview for next week.

Good episode. It's a shame we'll probably never see Tom Welling don the red cape. As the the new movie looks like teh suck big time.

I used to think the movie looks sucky too, but now I'm not so sure. Singer's done a pretty good job with the Xmen franchise and The Usual Suspects. He picked Hugh Jackman for Wolverine, who was just as much of an unknown at the time, and that worked out pretty good. But my biggest reason for changing my mind about Tom Welling having to be in the movie, is that it would just be really strange for him to be talking to a different Lex, a different Lois, a different Ma Kent. To not make it awkward, they would need to put the entire cast of the show in the movie, and nobody's going to watch Smallville the Movie (other than us of course, but nobody else). So I'm going to sit back and wait for this movie and hopefully enjoy it.

Why, why did they have to kill off Bo Duke, he didnt die in the series Lois and Clark.

I don't see why Tom can't wear "the suit" in Smallville. I would really like to see an entire season showing Clark's first atempts at being Superman, the people and media reaction, learning what he should and shouldn't do, etc.

Unless there are rights issues with the name "Superman" that I don't know about.

Since Clark doesn't wear glasses everyone in Smallville would know that Clark was Superman.

Good point. What if he simply moved so fast he couldn't be IDed...or got a haircut? That'd surely fool 'em.

See, that's the big twist. <i>Superman</i> wears glasses! Think of the added strength to his heat vision! It's brilliant!!! I'm submitting it as a proposal for Episode #200.

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This ep wasn't the best, I agree, but I don't see how some of you can be so harsh without seeing how things do change in the series as a result of the events that took place in this portion of the story. I remain cautiously optimistic.

Better story eh?
 

yeah, why not have Clark do the same things (the proposal and such) and then stop the bus. We'd end with Clark engaged and Pa Kent dead. Could be much more interesting... otherwise, yawn, more time travel...

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glad it wasn't Chloe, but it sucks that it was Jonathan
I'd read a spoiler indicating someone died but had avoiding hearing who
when Lana died I was happy, then they had to pull the time travel card

at least then he would have gotten something in return for losing his dad.
now he just got fucked two ways

I started to think he was in an LSD induced hallucinatory coma

[nerdy movie fact]If you watch Superman 3, you'll notice that Clark's high school picture has him without glasses...however, when he returns to Smallville as Superman later on in the movie, no one recognizes him as Clark. [/nerdy movie fact]

Maybe it's meteor rocks in the water supply...who knows?

Smallville has mastered the art of the cop-out. They must have really strict rules that the writers must abide by. I still enjoyed the episode (especially the first half), but I HATED the cop-out.

The episode would still be damn good (although I still wouldn't care much for the time travel.) if Smallville wasn't so known for cop-outs like this. Man, I just wanted to see what it would be like after Lana's accident (especially between Clark & Lex). Welling made it sound like it was going to be huge even that really changed things, so when I saw Lana die and Lex watch Clark run to Lana I thought that might be what he meant, but the writers didn't have the guts for that (or weren't allowed to keep it like that).

I have to give them points for not using amnesia though. I think I would've thrown up in my mouth a little had they pulled the amnesia card again. :)

The episode could've been one of the best they've ever done had they stuck with the death of Lana. It would seem a bit cliche` that Lana would die right after Clark tells her everything and asks her to marry him though. However, that event would be a huge event that would change everything.

which is exactly why I didn't start reading the thread until today

Why would anyone want to weigh down the big screen Superman movie with all the crappy writing and freaks-of-the-week of Smallville?

I think the comment was about Welling not the writing of Smallville.
Count me in as another who feels Tom Welling should have gotten the Big Screen gig.

I agree. Ughhh

:horse:

Imagine how fucking cool that would've been...

-ohbfrank- stupid writers -ohbfrank-

That would have been spectacular! Too bad they fucked it up :mad:

Now we're back to filler/FOTW

Finally watched the episode.

Personally, I enjoyed the first half of the episode but the second half was just dissapointing.

So what I would like to know is if the subsequent episodes will be "fillers" until the return of

Far better than Routh.

anyone else notice the nice cheap promo "in case you just joined us, Lana just died, now back to the 100th special episode of "Smallville" right before clark goes to his home and the writers hit the reset button.

I gotta watch that movie again because I mistakenly thought it was an homage to Superman II. :(

Yes. That only served to confirm to me that they'd pull a cheap reversal. Clark doing super speed in front of a bewildered Lex and the accidental death of Lana were too big a pair of leaps for this show. At first I was hopeful that they'd have the balls to push forward this way but I knew it wouldn't last.

One question, I missed an ep here and there so I have to ask... when the heck did Clark learn how to fly? I thought he was only able to do that when Jor-El "reprgrammed" him as Kal-El in the season four opener.

I'm guessing that you're referring to the scene where he picked up Lana and took her to the top of the fortress? He jumped. Y'know, leaps tall buildings in a single bound, type jump. Still can't fly (which I think is fairly weak).

That was my first guess (that it was a leap) but he seemed to float (well, not so slowly) in the shot so I assumed he was flying. That was one of the first things in this ep to make me go WTF.

To be fair, the original Superman back in the 30s didn't fly either in the first issues of Action Comics. I am not sure when he developed flight, but he leaped tall buildings in a single bound, exactly as the comic book creators promised he would do.

I agree that it was a jump, but didn't he fly whenever he was "Kal-El" at the beginning of Season 4? I know he can't do it now, but I thought he did it then.

No tights, no flight...except when it's sweeps and the 100th episode. :)

Over at Kryptonsite it seems most were disappointed with the episode:

Excellent 28.57%
Good 13.79%
O.K 8.87%
Disappointing 23.65%
*^%&#$%$!!!!! 25.12%

Sigh. I am SO tired of coming here and posting about how tired I am of that fucking reset button. STOP doing that. Don't tease me with ____ finds out Clark's secret, then pull it away. I'd rather have an episode where no one finds out Clark's secret, thanks.

Anyway, said to see Jonathan go. Would have been better if it was Lana, IMO. Ah well. Some stuff was good. Hope it pushes the momentum forward in the future.