This is actually a nice episode. One that setup a lot of things pertaining to the first superman movies:

1. Dad Kent died from a heart attack. This is inevitable i guess. Great setup though and further mystified what the deal was with Lionel.
2. Lana and Clark really did not end up with each other
3. Clark's anger towards Lex grows even more when he saw lex and lana together.
4. Clark saving Lois' life may setup that romance angle in the future part of the series.
5. Clark remember the tip given by Chloe to do the spin on earth's rotation to save Lois' life in the future.

any other.....

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Oh man, those last scenes were heartbreaking. Martha's eyes expressing so much pain and anguish from Jonathan's early demise was just killing me. The graveyard scenes, touched off with Peter Gabriel singing in the background was just as haunting a funeral scenes as I've seen on TV in a long time.

Oops double post.

I have to agree. I thought the show was finally heading in a new direction.

Fucking Bullshit Episode

The problem is this. The episode achieved nothing except killing off Jonathan Kent, which we all know was probably going to happen. I never really believed Lana would die. But the problem I have is nothing else changed with the characters other than Pa Kent dying. We're just back to square one. Now if the writers would like to have Clark and Lana break up for good and further the romance with Lois, that's one thing. But you know we'll get another season at least of Clark and Lana doing the same old shit. Hell, I would have been happier had they just forgot about the Lana dying scenario, and just went with Clark telling her everything. Then they could break it off in the future.

I've always envisioned the series ending this way. Why the hell did they decide to do it now?

Must have been cut for time reasons or shot to throw people off.

Beautifully done. Everything from the fight with Lionel to the end was great. Two bad everything that happened in the first 30 minutes was rendered moot by the time reversal shit.

I was hoping that after his father's death he'd decide to tell Lana the truth again. That would have saved the episode for me.

:up: Yeah, those SEVEN posts must've really been a bitch to skip over (well, EIGHT counting the one bitching about it :rolleyes: )

As far as the episode...i'm still processing (and watching Earl). But I guess Peter wasn't good enough to have his song mentioned at the end?

Of course Pa Kent was going to be the one. All the bullshit mentioned here notwithstanding, was anyone here seriously fooled by the inevitable reversal? I mean come on people, they brought in Tom Wopat for a Dukes Of Hazard reunion episode. If that wasn't a telling enough indicator that this would be Schneider's last year, I don't know what the hell was.

I guess he wont as it stands now because of what happened with Lex.

And what happened to Lois the 2nd time around? and why?

She fell while trying to reach the junk food since Lana wasn't around to catch her...maybe?

All right McFly
First the how then the why.

I liked the final scene as well, but the CGI snow was distracting. Especially after I noticed it wasn't landing on his coat. Nothing was added to the snow that had fallen.

Honestly, It was what was expected. Smallville bends the mythos, but isn't foolish enough to break it. We have seen the potential of Smallville. We know what to expect.

Ah, good thinking.

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Man, I think the writers really dropped the ball on this one. Every character on the show could have taken a huge step forward in the character development area with the death of Lana. I agree that nothing is accomplished with the death of Johnathan. This is just my opinion, but it seems clear to me over the course of the last two seasons that the writers are using Lana as the catalyst for Lex's turn to evil, but that could easily have been accomplished using Johnathan. Now we are stuck with more of this Clark/Lana bullshit and the show has lost the great confrontations between Johnathan/Lionel and more potential interaction between Jor El and Johnathan.

Yeah, the time reversal was pretty lame, but I think it was done pretty well. I figured it would happen because all of the random shit that was going on at the Daily Planet that seemed to serve no purpose. I think it was really well done with the Lois/cookies thing, Johnathan appearing at Lana's wreck and then Lana looking at Johnathan driving by.

Next week's episode looks a little lame. I was hoping Smallville would avoid the "revenge" episode often explored in TV after a huge loss, but apparently not.

Does anyone know the name of the song and the artist who sang the opening song when Lana was in the barn?

Unfortunately but that was my hope intially after the rewind. I knew from spoilers that Johnathan would die the second time but didn't know how the whole episode would play out. I thought the writers would subvert everyone's expectations and have them end up together the second time as well.

Wow. So much for spoiler code, huh?

First song - "You're Beautiful" by James Blunt
Last song - "I Grieve" by Peter Gabriel

I think the rule is that if the episode's aired, it's fair game. Makes sense to me since it's a discussion thread, after all.

Too slow ;-P

Why use spoilers for an aired episode? Bah.

I think it accomplished nothing. If they wanted to kill Jon they could of done it while progressin' Lana's character still. If nothing else, have Jonathan die while Clark is goofing off being a lover boy in the FoS with Lana. This would of made Clark feel like he let his guard down and let his father die. They could of done so much, instead of goin' back to the ole' time reversal crap.

Darth Vader is Luke Skywalker's dad and Bruce Willis is dead in The Sixth Sense.

Lame...Great acting and filmed well. But, an F for story. First of all...no surprise who dies. They have been airing scenes of Lana's car crash for the last week or so. So you knew it wouldn't last. They took the easy way out by killing Jonathan. The Lana character has to go for the story to move on. One of the best things changed in the Superman comics in his 80's retcon is that Jonathan is still alive. He gives Clark a base to go back to when life as the most powerful person in the world becomes too much.

Rosebud was Kane's childhood sled.
Soylent Green is PEOPLE!
"To Serve Man" is a COOK BOOK!
Edward Norton is Tyler Durden!

I agree. If nothing else, I think he still remained the voice of reason a lot of times. I am not sure the Martha Kent character will be enough to keep Clark's home life interesting.

Only things of interest from this episode.

Now that Jonathan is dead - does Lex get the state senate? What happens there?

Lana and Lex are closer - will they be together?

What does Lionel know? The ship or the Kal-El secert?

Looks like next week is back to filler 'freak of the week, 'cept in Metropolis' non-sense. Oh with the added bonus of being a revenge episode. Gee, how original.

I hate it when I finish watching a TV show and feel like I've been ripped-off.

I'm getting tired of these Smallville twists where someone finds out about Clark's powers, and then there's some whammy like amnesia or a time warp and everything's back to normal. And I absolutely hate that they advertise these revelations as though "this is the episode that changes everything".

Well, I will say this...the first half of this episode cemented my belief that Tom should've been Superman in "Superman Returns".

thank you very much......:)

you said it best..

Not to mention the anger he has for Lex for being the reason for his fathers death. He would have not had to use his get out of death card for lana if it wasnt for the chase scene......

.. this is what begins his whole journey......

Agreed, and not just in terms of his size or look. He has improved so much as an actor since that first season. He's no Laurence Olivier or Russell Crowe by a long shot, but he's pretty dang good, especially in this role.

I will agree with that much. His acting has got a lot better and he does have the look down now.

Without a doubt!

Hell yes!

Another vote for Tom Welling, too bad it's not going to help. Except for the Marlon Brando voice over and John Williams music in the trailer, I"m not impressed at all with what I've seen and heard of the new super man flick.

Well, that was pointless. It just seems like they killed off Johnathan for the hell of it. After watching that for an hour, I'd rather Lana were dead and the silly drama between the two of them over.

And Pete couldn't come back for the funeral at least!!!

Welcome to the team. ;)

I have to give it to the actors for delivering some great performances in the face of a complete turd. If the show weren't so damned predictable, it may have had some effect, but every major episode is the same, and after 100 of these freakin' things, hardly anyone has grown or changed on any significant level. I swear, you could walk away from the show for 2 years and not miss a thing. What a waste of a great character. Instead of using his death to grow the series, it turns out to be a cheap publicity stunt. While a little overboard on the snow thing, at least the graveyard scene was nice. Great performances from Welling and O'Toole.

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People were sad when they thought Lana was going to die, but they're now furious about Pa Kent being killed off?

I thought it seemed appropriate since it wouldn't fit for the Kents to get this involved in politics and Pa Kent had already been in too much debt to Jor-El.

Waste of celluloid (or is this show shot on high def?) as far as I'm concerned. Both deaths lacked any real impact. Lana's death was silly. She survives a helicopter crash (from which she only got a brief limp and some gashes) but a car crash kills her? It's kind of like how Kate Beckinsale died in Van Helsing. She endures ridiculous amounts of punishment throughout the whole film (of which her only injury is a split lip) but getting sacked by a werewolf does her in. And Pa Kent's death was silly in the same way. How many times have FOTW knocked him around? And a brief tussle with Lionel does him in? -ohbfrank-

That said, I did enjoy the brief homage to Groundhog Day between Clark and Chloe. :)

The first song was horrible but that last one was great.