I personally don't care about the fact that he didn't like the show- I just wanted to offer a possible reason as to why so many seem to think his role as Chakotay was 'weak'. It's not his fault if the material he had to work with wasn't inspiring.

Then how come everyone but him and Wang were able to step up and deliver?

No, it wasnt his fault and he wanted to make the show better. Why do people fault him for that??? None of the actors were given decent material to work with and were often blamed (Janeway) but they did the best they could with what they were given. Chakotay could have been a kick ass well written hero but instead he just stood on the side and said things to Janeway. He lost his edge after they watered down the whole Maquis thing and he never recovered.
Look at what they did with T'vok. He has to be the most annoying character and most annoying Vulcan ever to be portrayed in Star Trek. Not Russ' fault.
I believe they asked Nimoy his opinion of T'vok once he said it was a good Spock impression but that's about it. At least Spock had a sense of humor to him because he was half human.

One listen of the "In a Mirror Darkly" theme song, and you'll see why the ENT theme is so hated. When the show was first out, I didn't know the theme song was a cover, and I was trying to like, but then I heard it was a cover (and not a good one at that), it sealed it for me. The imagery was beautiful, and deserved something as good as Voyager's (which I agree was worth sitting thru every time).

People like to bash fanboys for criticizing shows and saying they could run them better, with the argument that they don't understand the whole process and wouldn't do any better in their place. I can't *fully* agree with that statement. Both VOY and ENT would have benefitted greatly from a fanboy sitting on set with a copy of the Okuda Encyclopedia, Trimble's Concordance and a cattle prod. Bringing the Reeve-Stevens in for the 4th season of ENT seemed to have the same effect. Watching any ep from a previous season, and then watching one of their 4th season eps is like watching Pauly Shore do Hamlet, then watching Olivier (sp?) do Hamlet. If they had been given a little more time, they could have made it something else entirely. As it stands, the only DVD of either I feel like buying is S4 of ENT, and of course not watching the first two, and the last ep.

Does it really matter if Garrett Wang was a bad actor? It's not as if his character ever had many lines or anything. He was like the most underused character in Trek history.

Well B and B have a history of creating characters that have potential and then letting them push buttons. Kim, Kess and almost everyone on Enterprise. I dont even remember their names.

Yes, it matters, and I daresay you overstate your case. Kim had more development than ENTERPRISE's Reed, Mayweather and Sato; hell, not to mention Classic TREK's Sulu, Chekov, and Uhura (iconic characters, to be sure, but how much do you know about them beyond a lot of valiant button-pushing?)...

I think you seriously underrate the contributions from Reeves, Merryweather, and Santos.

das

No way. Merriweather was on Enterprise. At least Wang got some decent story lines w/ Tom Paris.

http://personal4.iddeo.es/mmoreira/i...s/butthead.gif You said, "Wang".

I did love Voyager....and for Enterprise....read my sig. :)

Yeah...about that signature, sorry to be a prick but it's "themselves", not "themselfs"...and technically, since UPN is a singular noun (one network), it would be "It cancelled itself after cancelling ENTERPRISE". If you prefer using the plural, you could use phrasing like "The powers that be at UPN cancelled themselves after cancelling ENTERPRISE". Will you be my friend?

It's also incorrect usage of the word "now".

das

Ah yeah...missed that one (I'll blame it on a pre-caffeinated early morning ;) )!

I have two words for the UPN haters:

VERONICA MARS

A litter bitter are we?
It was time. No one was watching anymore.

I was.

Here's the funny thing about Chakotay. In the early seasons I was there, they gave him nothing. Here's this supposed great Maquis leader and it's like they went out of their way to emasculate him and put him second fiddle to Janeway. He's like the older brother watching the kids yet your parents still hire a babysitter.

We've talked about this before, but the writers just didn't understand how to write a strong female lead. So instead of making Janeway a great character, they made Chakotay a big pussy in hopes that this discrepancy would confuse us into thinking Janeway was interesting. It's the difference between someone like Joss who has all these grand ideas of writing a great female character in the lead and the folks at Trek who simply did it as a gimmick.

das

And that's exactly why Beltran complained. He was a babysitter with a tattoo on his face and got no respect. At least a hinted romance between he and Janeway would have given him something to do. Mulgrew nixed that idea.

Sorry...and thx.

I am a french canadian. English is my second language.

For my sig..... I wrote this up in March, when thay annouced the cancellation, and before I saw season 1 of Veronica Mars.

You must understand, I am a Trekkie, and always will be. I was 9 years old when I saw my first Star Trek episode (TNG: Encounter at Farpoint) Idid not even know about space exploration, and would come home from school and watch re-run's of TNG and TOS. I grew up with Star Trek.

I did let it go.... we must move on, but I will not change my sig.

Nor would I want you to (I agree with the sentiment), but will you correct its faulty grammar?

how about now ?

Fabulous! :thumbsup:, my brother!

Gee, all these grammar corrections and it seems to have killed the convo.