Battlestar Galactica, "Pegasus" 9/24/05
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Originally Posted by kvrdave
I would disagree. There have been myriad dramas that have episodes with rape in them. This is a science fiction drama. And this show pushes limits, and doesn't want you to feel safe. It is a disturbing show at times, and that is what makes it fantastic.
But I do empathize with your reasoning. There are plenty that wish they would get rid of the religious stuff in the series as well.
But I do empathize with your reasoning. There are plenty that wish they would get rid of the religious stuff in the series as well.

My favorite part was #6's reaction to seeing herself on the floor. This was the first time we have seen any emotion outside of arrogance from her, except for when the crew throws around toaster in front of her.
I dont condone Rape either but part of the reason that version of #6 was in that cell is because she was a cylon and the cylons did exterminate most of the human race. I think that's the argument the writers are trying to create They are probably drawing from the goings on in the current War. Terrorists have killed many humans so what treatment do they deserve?
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Originally Posted by riley_dude
I think that's the argument the writers are trying to create They are probably drawing from the goings on in the current War. Terrorists have killed many humans so what treatment do they deserve?
Also worth noting that by our own military's estimates, any where from 70 to 90% of the prisoners we have jailed in Iraq don't belong there. Just food for thought.
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Okay I finally got to watch this episode last night and yes campy music aside this was the best episode of galactica to date and I can't wait for January to come........I don't care, bring on the ice and snow just so long as I get to see what happens next.
I'm going to go ahead and add my .02 to the "Rape" discussion. Ummm I don't care what it is rape is wrong, and whoever said that as soon as you call it rape it becomes wrong is absolutely correct. The Cylons evil as they may seem; have will, they can think and feel. So a forced sexual act no matter the reason behind it is wrong.
My thoughts on why #6 wasn't aware of what was happening to her other self are simple. Doesn't the memory of the being transfer to the other models after it has died? Then it would make perfect sense for #6 to not know what was happening to her because they didn't kill her. I may be completely wrong.
The merging of the crews is going to make for one hell of an interesting scenario in the next episode and I can't wait for apollo to kick the shit out of that other CAG. And I'm sure now that Boomer has seen the way the other Battlestar crew behaves she will be more than happy to help the Galactica Transmit a virus to the Pegasus.
I'm going to go ahead and add my .02 to the "Rape" discussion. Ummm I don't care what it is rape is wrong, and whoever said that as soon as you call it rape it becomes wrong is absolutely correct. The Cylons evil as they may seem; have will, they can think and feel. So a forced sexual act no matter the reason behind it is wrong.
My thoughts on why #6 wasn't aware of what was happening to her other self are simple. Doesn't the memory of the being transfer to the other models after it has died? Then it would make perfect sense for #6 to not know what was happening to her because they didn't kill her. I may be completely wrong.
The merging of the crews is going to make for one hell of an interesting scenario in the next episode and I can't wait for apollo to kick the shit out of that other CAG. And I'm sure now that Boomer has seen the way the other Battlestar crew behaves she will be more than happy to help the Galactica Transmit a virus to the Pegasus.
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Didn't they say the Pegasus' computer was down for maintence when the Cylons attacked? THey also said the Pegasus was with other Battlestars at that moment. They must have gotten word, like the Galactica, that the Battlestar's systems were infected. The most likely explanation is that Cain ordered her crew to not turn on the defense network that was infilitrated and proceed without the network.
Yeah, they say it right here:
Makes sense.
Yeah, they say it right here:
Cain: We were docking at Scorpion Fleet Shipyard. We were getting ready to go for a three-month overhaul. Most of the crew was getting ready for extended shore leave and family reunions. XO had the deck. I was down in my quarters, wrapping up some paperwork, and getting ready to pack up and go home to Tauron. And that's when the cylons attacked. They hit the shipyard with three, maybe four nukes. Five ships, two of them Battlestars, they were destroyed right there. And by the time I got back to CIC, I discovered that I'd lost over 700 men
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Originally Posted by Heat
My question is whether the Pegasus and Galatica will be together at the end of Episode #1 of Season 3.
Also, have any new shows been ordered? The ten that will be shown next spring were filmed this past spring ('05) at the same time that the ten we just watched were filmed.
Also, have any new shows been ordered? The ten that will be shown next spring were filmed this past spring ('05) at the same time that the ten we just watched were filmed.
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To the people who don't think raping Cylons is wrong... if you try to rape someone or something (say, an animal), and it tries to get away or stop you, you shouldn't do it. Just an FYI.
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Originally Posted by Breakfast with Girls
To the people who don't think raping Cylons is wrong... if you try to rape someone or something (say, an animal), and it tries to get away or stop you, you shouldn't do it. Just an FYI.
J/k
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To the people who don't think raping Cylons is wrong... if you try to rape someone or something (say, an animal), and it tries to get away or stop you, you shouldn't do it. Just an FYI.
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Originally Posted by chanster
Didn't they say the Pegasus' computer was down for maintence when the Cylons attacked? THey also said the Pegasus was with other Battlestars at that moment. They must have gotten word, like the Galactica, that the Battlestar's systems were infected. The most likely explanation is that Cain ordered her crew to not turn on the defense network that was infilitrated and proceed without the network.
Yeah, they say it right here:
Makes sense.
Yeah, they say it right here:
Makes sense.
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Originally Posted by Xander
No, unless they are running their computers completely unnetworked, the way Galactica is, they would still be vunerable. That's the way it seemed to me, anyway. Galactica has old systems and no computers networked together. That's why the Cylons can't get at their systems.
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No, unless they are running their computers completely unnetworked, the way Galactica is, they would still be vunerable. That's the way it seemed to me, anyway. Galactica has old systems and no computers networked together. That's why the Cylons can't get at their systems.
It is entirely possible that the Pegasus was not hooked into the defense network because it was about to go through an overhaul.
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I just thought of something interesting, the pegasus still has the newer viper model right? well they must have disabled something in the computer systems to keep them from being shut down by the cylons......in the miniseries a bunch of the Vipers from galactica were destroyed but they wouldn't have had their whole fleet out at the time. So where are galactica's remaining new model vipers?
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Originally Posted by kakihara1
I just thought of something interesting, the pegasus still has the newer viper model right? well they must have disabled something in the computer systems to keep them from being shut down by the cylons......in the miniseries a bunch of the Vipers from galactica were destroyed but they wouldn't have had their whole fleet out at the time. So where are galactica's remaining new model vipers?
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Exactly what I'm trying to point out. AFTER the main attack, when human ships fought Cylon raiders, the raiders infected the new style vipers and disabled them. So unless the Pegasus has been avoiding Cylon contact this whole time (which I thought Cain said they've been attacking Cylons the whole time), then they should have been infected by the virus the first time they engaged.
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Originally Posted by pinata242
Hmmm, maybe that'll be part of the continuation. Like someone else said, it is entirely possible that the Cylons jump in during this showdown and disable all of Pegasus' Vipers leaving the Galactica crew to clean up and save everyone. That would do a pretty good job showing the fleet where the competency lies. I hope not, I'd rather a good ol fashioned civil war break out.
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Some good points, except his last paragraph. It was pretty clear they were picking up Colonial transmissions and were ready to jump if anything seemed wrong after the challenge.
To the major point of the argument: what fun would a television series be if it were 100% logical?
Many readers including Cindy Maka of Wheaton, Md., insist I heed the new "reimagined" Battlestar Galactica, the No. 1 rated sci-fi show on television. Like Star Wars, Star Trek and Stargate, this series has the all-important word "star" in its title. Male readers have added that two Galactica regulars, actresses Grace Park and Tricia Helfer, recently posed wearing just shy of nothing for Maxim magazine. If only they'd undress on the show, I would tune in more often! Spenser, my 10-year-old, refuses to view Galactica, asking, "Why watch a show about people who are dying and helpless, plus constantly arguing with each other?" Spenser has a point. Perhaps there is admirable boldness in producing a TV show in which everything that happens is bad; but if I want unrelenting gloom, all I have to do is turn on CNN. For those who don't know, the premise of Galactica is that somewhere on the opposite side of the Milky Way, a society of sinister robots attacks an advanced human society. The robots slaughter billions of people; the last few thousand survivors are fleeing in a convoy of spaceships defended by one gigantic military vessel, the battlestar Galactica. This "reimagined" show is based on the 1970s series, which was campy and silly. The new version is dark, tense and violent; nothing good ever happens.
One of my problems with Battlestar Galactica is that the men and women in the show are depicted as so astonishingly across-the-board stupid, it's tempting to root for the robots. The military officers are stupid; the politicians are stupid; the civilians are stupid. In the pilot, we learn that the entire defense network of the human society could be deactivated by one single numeric code. The evil robots, called Cylons, obtain the code, transmit it, and instantly all the human society's military equipment shuts off. Planets are left defenseless as the Cylons bombard them with nuclear bombs; numerous powerful battlestars are shown hanging in space helpless, their engines and weapons shut off, as the Cylons smash them. (The Galactica escapes via plot contrivance.) Now if you were an advanced society capable of building gigantic faster-than-light outer-space battleships, would you design them so that one single numeric code renders them all totally useless at the same time? Plus the numeric code that instantly shuts off every military device in the entire human society has been entrusted to a psychologically unstable computer scientist, who accidentally gives it to the Cylons. Halfway through the first season, the computer scientist became vice-president of the survivors' government, and everyone -- including military intelligence -- is so astonishingly stupid as to never realize that since scientist was the only one who had the code, he must have been the one to give it to the Cylons.
Next, the show has premise problems that appears unsolvable. One aspect of the premise is that there are no other intelligent beings in this part of the galaxy -- just the beleaguered humans and the malevolent Cylons. This means there are no aliens to meet in various episodes, no alien societies to depict. True, it must be hard at this point to come up with new alien ideas for sci-fi. You can imagine the scriptwriters' conference: "Okay, how about they find a planet where people can only speak when the sun is out?" The other premise problem is that the Cylons are depicted as having become so powerful, Galactica cannot hope to defeat them. If the characters can't overcome the Cylons and can't meet interesting aliens, to create dramatic tension the scriptwriters are forced to have the humans fighting each other, which is what happens. Almost every episode concerns internecine fighting inside the human fleet: plots, mutinies, martial law, claims of treason, everything but people accusing each other of witchcraft. Galactica story lines have become so similar that I have trouble telling whether an episode is new or a repeat.
In the most recent two-part cliffhanger, Galactica discovers that a second battlestar, Pegasus, also outran the robot attack. Do the two ships cooperate to improve each other's odds of survival? No, their officers immediately start arguing and making threats, and at the cliffhanger ending, not to be resolved until January, Galactica and Pegasus are about to attack each other. Threatening each other is the single stupidest thing the crews of these ships could do in the situation depicted -- but since the show's premise is that there are no aliens and the Cylons are invincible, the only possible plots turn on people quarrelling amongst themselves. Perhaps somewhere in the universe there is a technologically advanced human society made up of incredibly stupid people who do nothing but walk into traps and argue with each other. But why would I find this entertaining?
Upside of Battlestar Galactica: great cinematography. Characters speak slowly, there are pauses in dialogue and even scenes when no one is speaking; movie-making techniques rarely seen on television. Plot quibble: the Pegasus episode begins with Galactica detecting an enormous star cruiser approaching. Immediately the captain radios, "This is the battlestar Galactica. Identify yourself or you will be fired on." But we've been told there are no intelligent beings other than humans and Cylons in this part of space, and Galactica believes itself the sole good-guy military vessel to survive the Cylon attack. So based on what is known, Galactica would assume the enormous star cruiser in the distance is a Cylon capital ship. Why does Galactica's captain issue his ridiculous challenge to a superior vessel, exposing his location in the process? Battlestar Galactica producers, please hire a continuity director.
One of my problems with Battlestar Galactica is that the men and women in the show are depicted as so astonishingly across-the-board stupid, it's tempting to root for the robots. The military officers are stupid; the politicians are stupid; the civilians are stupid. In the pilot, we learn that the entire defense network of the human society could be deactivated by one single numeric code. The evil robots, called Cylons, obtain the code, transmit it, and instantly all the human society's military equipment shuts off. Planets are left defenseless as the Cylons bombard them with nuclear bombs; numerous powerful battlestars are shown hanging in space helpless, their engines and weapons shut off, as the Cylons smash them. (The Galactica escapes via plot contrivance.) Now if you were an advanced society capable of building gigantic faster-than-light outer-space battleships, would you design them so that one single numeric code renders them all totally useless at the same time? Plus the numeric code that instantly shuts off every military device in the entire human society has been entrusted to a psychologically unstable computer scientist, who accidentally gives it to the Cylons. Halfway through the first season, the computer scientist became vice-president of the survivors' government, and everyone -- including military intelligence -- is so astonishingly stupid as to never realize that since scientist was the only one who had the code, he must have been the one to give it to the Cylons.
Next, the show has premise problems that appears unsolvable. One aspect of the premise is that there are no other intelligent beings in this part of the galaxy -- just the beleaguered humans and the malevolent Cylons. This means there are no aliens to meet in various episodes, no alien societies to depict. True, it must be hard at this point to come up with new alien ideas for sci-fi. You can imagine the scriptwriters' conference: "Okay, how about they find a planet where people can only speak when the sun is out?" The other premise problem is that the Cylons are depicted as having become so powerful, Galactica cannot hope to defeat them. If the characters can't overcome the Cylons and can't meet interesting aliens, to create dramatic tension the scriptwriters are forced to have the humans fighting each other, which is what happens. Almost every episode concerns internecine fighting inside the human fleet: plots, mutinies, martial law, claims of treason, everything but people accusing each other of witchcraft. Galactica story lines have become so similar that I have trouble telling whether an episode is new or a repeat.
In the most recent two-part cliffhanger, Galactica discovers that a second battlestar, Pegasus, also outran the robot attack. Do the two ships cooperate to improve each other's odds of survival? No, their officers immediately start arguing and making threats, and at the cliffhanger ending, not to be resolved until January, Galactica and Pegasus are about to attack each other. Threatening each other is the single stupidest thing the crews of these ships could do in the situation depicted -- but since the show's premise is that there are no aliens and the Cylons are invincible, the only possible plots turn on people quarrelling amongst themselves. Perhaps somewhere in the universe there is a technologically advanced human society made up of incredibly stupid people who do nothing but walk into traps and argue with each other. But why would I find this entertaining?
Upside of Battlestar Galactica: great cinematography. Characters speak slowly, there are pauses in dialogue and even scenes when no one is speaking; movie-making techniques rarely seen on television. Plot quibble: the Pegasus episode begins with Galactica detecting an enormous star cruiser approaching. Immediately the captain radios, "This is the battlestar Galactica. Identify yourself or you will be fired on." But we've been told there are no intelligent beings other than humans and Cylons in this part of space, and Galactica believes itself the sole good-guy military vessel to survive the Cylon attack. So based on what is known, Galactica would assume the enormous star cruiser in the distance is a Cylon capital ship. Why does Galactica's captain issue his ridiculous challenge to a superior vessel, exposing his location in the process? Battlestar Galactica producers, please hire a continuity director.
To the major point of the argument: what fun would a television series be if it were 100% logical?
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It's an interesting article, but basically ALL of paragraph two is inaccurate unless I just missed that whole bit about a single numeric code and Baltar being the only one who had it. It seems it would be difficult to have missed but since there has been no mention of computer virus's or security clearance ever in the show I suppose I must be wrong.
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I guess I'll have to rewatch the mini-series, but I also don't recall anything said about what was said in paragraph two. In fact, how much did Baltar have to do with the defense network? I thought the cylons (or specifically number "six") seduced Baltar because he was such a bigwig he could have access to certain areas that most didn't (including the defense grid). But he wasn't the sole person with access.
The lack of aliens is true, but so what. We live on a planet with no know aliens. And the people of the 12 colonies on Battlestar Galactica are supposed to be like us. Of course none of this forecloses the possibility of a future alien race.
The infighting is also true, but is it far-fetched? Isn't that the problem with the world today? People fighting over things where agreement and peace would better serve all? Battlestar Galactica isn't some utopia and it isn't the Star Trek version of the universe. Let's not forget that the people on Galactica are on edge with little to look forward too. Seems plausible to me. But maybe that's just me...
The lack of aliens is true, but so what. We live on a planet with no know aliens. And the people of the 12 colonies on Battlestar Galactica are supposed to be like us. Of course none of this forecloses the possibility of a future alien race.
The infighting is also true, but is it far-fetched? Isn't that the problem with the world today? People fighting over things where agreement and peace would better serve all? Battlestar Galactica isn't some utopia and it isn't the Star Trek version of the universe. Let's not forget that the people on Galactica are on edge with little to look forward too. Seems plausible to me. But maybe that's just me...
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Dear Mr Tuesday Morning Quarterback,
As you stated in your article Battlestar Galactica is not Star Trek, so stop bitching about there not being aliens in every episode. Next time you're going to review a show give it more than a cursory glance because a lot of "facts" you have put in your article are completely wrong.
and so on....
As you stated in your article Battlestar Galactica is not Star Trek, so stop bitching about there not being aliens in every episode. Next time you're going to review a show give it more than a cursory glance because a lot of "facts" you have put in your article are completely wrong.
and so on....




lol