I still don't see the point in picking any particular season of a show if nobody is able to pick the other seasons anyway. Maybe I'm missing something.

It increases the degree of difficulty for the participants because they have to declare what the best season is. I have a feeling it won't matter much to the voters, though.

Well, it slightly changes things, because now you must consider offending people by selecting the wrong season, but it's essentially the same thing. It would be much more fun to do multiple seasons and add some complexity to this thing, but people will complain about that apparently. Of course, most of the votes will come from people who have only seen a couple of the shows in each list anyway, regardless of whether we choose a season. I'd rather we focus on making it more fun for the people drafting than catering to the potential ignorance of voters who may or may not be familiar with shows, seasons, etc (really, is this about winning a vote or playing a fun game?), but I'll play by whatever rules are decided.

das

I absolutely agree that we should maximize the fun of the people playing the game, but I think the voters are a key ingredient there. We could just pick seasons now without a game, but what fun would that be?

Depends on if you pick something I want, and then I have to hunt you down and make you pay. I think that would be fun.

das

Am I really worth all that gas money, and worse, all that time on I-85?

Exactly. Seems it will make the game needlessly complicated.

I still like the idea of allowing two seasons per show. That would make more sense if we are supposed to "argue" for a particular season.

By the way, who stole the "r" off the end of my username.

Groucho!?

On the subject of seasons vs. shows, my problem is that I can't seem to get consensus on what people want. Right now, opinions seem to be equally divided amongst taking the following approaches:

* Pick Shows only

* Pick seasons, no restrictions

* Pick seasons, restricted to two

The current approach (Pick Seasons, restricted to one) is an attempt to compromise. As with most compromises, it seems it's made nobody happy.

-Grouchor

The only thing that really concerns me about the seasons unrestricted approach is that it will result in a lot of well known, long running shows taking spots in the game. I really don't want to see five teams with this:

Seinfeld season X
Cheers season X
Friends season X
ER season X
L&O season X
Mary Tyler Moore season X
Sopranos season X

How do people vote on that when they keep seeing it?

I agree with that concern. I want to have 32 vastly different lineups.

Right now I'm leaning towards allowing 2 seasons per show, but only one per player.

sigh.

once you guys straighten this out and if you could explain it to me as if I was a six year old, i'm in..

No problem, Rogue588.

Somebody fetch me a six year old!

I understand that some of you want to make it harder or more sophisticated, but Jimmy James said on this page is what it comes down to. Although shows do have better and worse seasons, there are some shows with many good seasons. How interesting would this be if half the shows (7x32=224) were duplicates or triplicates from one show. IMO that would make this thing as boring as possible. I'd like to know the final rules before playing as well, I'm not sure I'd play depending on what rules do get implemented.

I can live with that, but I seriously doubt that would happen. Picking another season of a show that has already been chosen multiple times seems like a poor strategy. Whatever, though. While I'm expressing my opinion on what I think would be more fun, I'm fine with however we do it. I just get bored with the same show vs. show stuff and could get more excited over season vs. season.

And while I appreciate the difficulty of keeping people involved, I'm still in favor of more selections if possible.

das

This isn't really show vs show, though, das

I've got a crazy idea. When a network exec renews a show or greenlights a new show, he doesn't know what the quality of the season will ultimately be. How about we choose the show and then roll for a random season. The only problem with this is shows with only 1 season will have a big advantage.

With this idea you could limit only 1 choice for the whole tournament for shows that lasted 1-5 seasons. For shows that lasted 6-10 seasons, 2 people could choose and would be able to choose either first half or second half and shows with 11+ seasons would have 3 options of early, mid, and late in the series' run.

And we could choose the season from a weighted algorithm based on the numeric values of the letters in the particpant's username, his timezone, and his blood pressure at the time of selection ...

das

Or how about. I win. Game over.

That seems too complicated.

Whatever you all figure out, I'm in. It's the weekend; this is not my thinking time.

I'm against anything that fails to take into account barometric pressure and whether the participant's water contains flouride.

I can accept those conditions.

das

Changed the rules slightly, to allow two seasons of any show to be drafted, one per player. Unfortunately, there's no rule I can make on this that's going to appease everybody, so this seems like the best compromise.

So, the rules are pretty much set, unless there are further comments. I'll set up the actual draft tomorrow sometime.