Tim Minear on the fate of The Inside...
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so is tonight's episode (7/13) the last one that will be airing? I notice that tv guide does not ahve it listed for next week.......some two hour dancing thing instead. Or will it be back the week after that?
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It's not over until the 900 lbs Mapother screams...
Originally House was getting low rating until FOX made American Idol it's lead-in. Now it's getting a second season. FOX is trying something similar to try to give The Inside a boost. So You Think You Can Dance? will have it's two hour premiere next week and the following week it'll be the lead-in for a new episode of The Inside.
Originally House was getting low rating until FOX made American Idol it's lead-in. Now it's getting a second season. FOX is trying something similar to try to give The Inside a boost. So You Think You Can Dance? will have it's two hour premiere next week and the following week it'll be the lead-in for a new episode of The Inside.
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Originally Posted by Barry Woodward
It's not over until the 900 lbs Mapother screams...
Originally House was getting low rating until FOX made American Idol it's lead-in. Now it's getting a second season. FOX is trying something similar to try to give The Inside a boost. So You Think You Can Dance? will have it's two hour premiere next week and the following week it'll be the lead-in for a new episode of The Inside.
Originally House was getting low rating until FOX made American Idol it's lead-in. Now it's getting a second season. FOX is trying something similar to try to give The Inside a boost. So You Think You Can Dance? will have it's two hour premiere next week and the following week it'll be the lead-in for a new episode of The Inside.
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Originally Posted by Barry Woodward
It's not over until the 900 lbs Mapother screams...
Originally House was getting low rating until FOX made American Idol it's lead-in. Now it's getting a second season. FOX is trying something similar to try to give The Inside a boost. So You Think You Can Dance? will have it's two hour premiere next week and the following week it'll be the lead-in for a new episode of The Inside.
Originally House was getting low rating until FOX made American Idol it's lead-in. Now it's getting a second season. FOX is trying something similar to try to give The Inside a boost. So You Think You Can Dance? will have it's two hour premiere next week and the following week it'll be the lead-in for a new episode of The Inside.
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Originally Posted by flashburn
Looks like they canned this idea. I saw a commercial stating that 'So you Think You Can Dance?' is on for 1 1/2 hours, and a Malcolm repeat is after that.
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Yep. I just noticed that epguides.com already lists the four episodes after the one that aired on July 13 as "UNAIRED".
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^^ My sentiments exactly....thankfully a DVD release is apparently already planned. The funny thing is that the fact that its only this one half a season has greatly increased the chance of me buying it. Hopefully HDNet might pick up the series and air all 13 again in the future.
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Originally Posted by brookzy
My tivo is set to record an episode on august 3rd
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Enjoyed your show, Rachel! See ya on Alias.
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Originally posted by Tim Minear:
Well. No matter what, all episodes will NOT air. At best, four of the remaining six might air. Two or three weeks ago I was told that they wanted to end the run a week early, and was ordered to choose one to pull from the line up (not exactly Sophie's Choice, but still...). I did that. I picked "Point Of Origin." Then last week I was told that TWO episodes would not air, because of the 90 min dancing thing last night. In theory, four of the six would be left to air. When picking the second one to pull, standards made the choice for me. The excessive notes to butcher, mutilate and cut what was going to be ep 11, "The Perfect Couple," made that one my choice to pull. Rather than ruin the episode, and since I had to pull another one anyway, I'd leave it in tact -- hopefully people who want to will be able to see it on the DVD. It happens to be the Amber Benson/Steve Sandvoss/Matt Keeslar episode.
Here was my thinking: I'd already cut the coolest thing from episode 6, "Point Of Origin," and it's the first one that's not even going to air. And now I'm stuck with that watered down version for the DVD set. (Once I lock these things, I can't go back in and re-post, costs money).
A side note of interest: none of these notes had a THING to do with gore. In fact, there was something in "Aidan" I didn't get a note on, but it seemed like too much to me, so I cut it without being asked. I just can never predict what standards is going to object to.
Anyway, point of all this is that "Perfect Couple" intros Steve Sandvoss's character into the series, and he appears in the next two episodes. So if and when "Gem" airs, people are gonna be all -- "who's the hunk? Where'd he come from and what the hell is he talking about?"
I apologize if it shakes out that way. Not airing "Perfect Couple" is certainly going to damage the final arc of the show, but I had to decide if I really believed four more episodes would air when I was told to pull a second one. I figured the safe bet was that before we ever got to "Perfect Couple" the thing would have vanished, so I made the choice to save the real version of the episode for the DVD.
Here was my thinking: I'd already cut the coolest thing from episode 6, "Point Of Origin," and it's the first one that's not even going to air. And now I'm stuck with that watered down version for the DVD set. (Once I lock these things, I can't go back in and re-post, costs money).
A side note of interest: none of these notes had a THING to do with gore. In fact, there was something in "Aidan" I didn't get a note on, but it seemed like too much to me, so I cut it without being asked. I just can never predict what standards is going to object to.
Anyway, point of all this is that "Perfect Couple" intros Steve Sandvoss's character into the series, and he appears in the next two episodes. So if and when "Gem" airs, people are gonna be all -- "who's the hunk? Where'd he come from and what the hell is he talking about?"
I apologize if it shakes out that way. Not airing "Perfect Couple" is certainly going to damage the final arc of the show, but I had to decide if I really believed four more episodes would air when I was told to pull a second one. I figured the safe bet was that before we ever got to "Perfect Couple" the thing would have vanished, so I made the choice to save the real version of the episode for the DVD.
I save everything, deleted scenes, alternate versions -- but it's all off the AVID and not timed or finished with fx -- and so far as going back in to a locked episode and restoring things in a pristine manner -- not so much.
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Originally posted by Tim Minear:
I said this on July 3rd:
Always listen to Uncle Tim. The network just informed me that the dance show is going to be expanded and that no more episodes of "The Inside" will now air.
Which means there will be six unaired original episodes.
I'm told by the network that they're "still supporting the show" and that we will continue to air. Which, if my experience tells me anything, means catch it while you can. If you wanna, I mean. I'm gonna make my bet right now that we'll have, not including any unaired pilots, six unaired episodes featured on that DVD set.
Which means there will be six unaired original episodes.
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I was unaware of the cancellation of the episode for tonight's episode. I set it up to tape yesterday, but when I checked today, it looked like it had been switched to that stupid dance show. Ugh.
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I've also thought I was taping The Inside and it turned out to be something else. Development and Programming needs to get together at Fox. It's not like any of their shows (for the most part) perform any better in the ratings.
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A quote from Tim Minear that will hopefully help some of you look at Rachel Nichols' performance in a new light:
In test audiences, no one had any problem with her credibility. If you look at what we did initially and what we shot, it was my decision and my choice to do a story about a character that has no inside. The arc of the show is her trying to figure out who she is. It’s about identity and trying to become a person. She’s not this fully formed person. She’s emotionally retarded in some levels and that’s a choice. It may be a bad choice. People who have followed the show, a lot of people had that opinion and have revised that opinion and have seen her a little bit, and they’re like “oh, she’s doing that on purpose.” Her not making eye contact, her flat delivery sometimes, that’s all on purpose and when you see all 13 put together you’ll really notice it.
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Minear Feels 'Inside' Must Die to Live Again
"We're off forever," declares Tim Minear, executive producer of the FOX crime-noir drama "The Inside." "I predicted on July 3 that there would be six unaired episodes, and there are six unaired episodes."
"The Inside" had a long history before it ever hit the air on June 8. It began as a "21 Jump Street"-style tale of an undercover FBI agent (Rachel Nichols) in high school. When that didn't work out, Minear and pal Howard Gordon ("24"), who'd previously teamed on the short-lived 1999 ABC science-fiction series "Strange World," reworked the idea, turning Nichols' character into a former childhood kidnap victim who parlays her unique insight into investigating serial murder and other heinous crimes.
"I've got two unaired pilots," Minear says. "One of them is the original '21 Jump Street' version. The second one is the first attempt at shooting my script, which we then went back and reshot."
The show wasn't ready for a March launch, and after that, options began to dwindle. Peter Ligouri came over to FOX from FX to replace the departing entertainment chief Gail Berman, and decided to launch "The Inside" as a summer thriller.
"They didn't have time to launch a show," Minear says. "You can launch a procedural in the summer -- TNT proved it. But they knew that 'The Closer' was going to air months before it did, as opposed to weeks, so they had billboards and bus-stop posters. I never watch TNT, and I was completely aware of 'The Closer.' If you didn't watch FOX and didn't see the promos on FOX, you never heard of 'The Inside'. But I don't know what else they could have done with it."
Then there was a little show called "Dancing with the Stars," which aired across from "The Inside" on ABC, on Wednesday at 9 p.m. ET. It turned into a runaway hit. Just about the time that was done, on July 20, FOX premiered its twinkletoed show, "So You Think You Can Dance," on Wednesday at 8 p.m. ET.
The two-hour premiere knocked "The Inside" off the schedule that week, and the show's sudden ratings success encouraged FOX to supersize a couple of subsequent one-hour episodes to 90 minutes.
With no 10 p.m. slot to move to, "The Inside" was left out in the cold.
"We thought the dancing show on ABC was going to kill us," Minear says. "Actually, it was the dancing show on FOX that did."
"The Inside" could theoretically return at some point -- although Nichols' addition to the cast of "Alias" torpedoes future episodes being produced -- but Minear's not so sure he wants it to.
"They kept saying they were going to air them all," he says. "Finally I actually called them and said, 'Could you not? Would it be OK if you just didn't air them all?' I was looking toward the future and a hopeful DVD release. It just felt to me that [having unaired episodes] would make it more valuable to the studio.
"They, of course, did not agree to that."
This is not new territory for Minear, who was executive producer (with creator Joss Whedon) of "Firefly," and executive producer (with creator Bryan Fuller) of "Wonderfalls," both of which were axed by FOX only to find new life as 13-episode DVD sets.
"I already am the king of DVD," Minear says. "I'm trying to convince the studio that it would be a wise move to release 'The Inside' and 'Strange World' as one set, since Howard and I did both of those shows."
"I love that concept," Gordon says. "I'm honored to be included in Tim's company. But 'Strange World' was a couple of years ago, and even when it was out, it was fairly anonymous. I think it's a very nostalgic and forgiving inclusion."
In retrospect, Minear feels that "The Inside" may have been a bit dark for network primetime, especially since it wasn't cloaked in the fantasy and sci-fi elements that dominated his earlier efforts, such as "Firefly" and The WB's "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" spin-off, "Angel."
"There's no question that 'Angel' is darker than 'The Inside,'" Minear says, "but because it was fantasy, it buffered it somehow. On the other hand, I would say that the thing that [co-executive producer] Craig Silverstein and I were doing wasn't realistic cop stuff. It was very hyper-real, very melodramatic, very Douglas Sirk-ian."
Asked if Gordon has sought his services for the new season of "24," Minear says, "God, no. He knows better than that. I'm a creator; I'm not going to carry water for somebody. Plus, I wouldn't make any more money, and it'd be a lot of work."
Minear has a couple of ideas he's pitching for fall, one in the fantasy genre and one not. Although he's had a rocky road so far, it doesn't get him down.
"I take it in stride," he says. "They give me $50 million to make 13 episodes, so I got to do a space Western, a whimsical comedy and an abyss-staring noir. I get to do whatever I want. There's something nice about doing these 13-episode, limited series things.
"Which is not to say that I don't want to create my 'Buffy' or my 'X-Files' or something that's going to resonate with a larger audience and be on for a long time. But what I love about TV is the way it's like a novel. You want to explore different chapters."
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"We're off forever," declares Tim Minear, executive producer of the FOX crime-noir drama "The Inside." "I predicted on July 3 that there would be six unaired episodes, and there are six unaired episodes."
"The Inside" had a long history before it ever hit the air on June 8. It began as a "21 Jump Street"-style tale of an undercover FBI agent (Rachel Nichols) in high school. When that didn't work out, Minear and pal Howard Gordon ("24"), who'd previously teamed on the short-lived 1999 ABC science-fiction series "Strange World," reworked the idea, turning Nichols' character into a former childhood kidnap victim who parlays her unique insight into investigating serial murder and other heinous crimes.
"I've got two unaired pilots," Minear says. "One of them is the original '21 Jump Street' version. The second one is the first attempt at shooting my script, which we then went back and reshot."
The show wasn't ready for a March launch, and after that, options began to dwindle. Peter Ligouri came over to FOX from FX to replace the departing entertainment chief Gail Berman, and decided to launch "The Inside" as a summer thriller.
"They didn't have time to launch a show," Minear says. "You can launch a procedural in the summer -- TNT proved it. But they knew that 'The Closer' was going to air months before it did, as opposed to weeks, so they had billboards and bus-stop posters. I never watch TNT, and I was completely aware of 'The Closer.' If you didn't watch FOX and didn't see the promos on FOX, you never heard of 'The Inside'. But I don't know what else they could have done with it."
Then there was a little show called "Dancing with the Stars," which aired across from "The Inside" on ABC, on Wednesday at 9 p.m. ET. It turned into a runaway hit. Just about the time that was done, on July 20, FOX premiered its twinkletoed show, "So You Think You Can Dance," on Wednesday at 8 p.m. ET.
The two-hour premiere knocked "The Inside" off the schedule that week, and the show's sudden ratings success encouraged FOX to supersize a couple of subsequent one-hour episodes to 90 minutes.
With no 10 p.m. slot to move to, "The Inside" was left out in the cold.
"We thought the dancing show on ABC was going to kill us," Minear says. "Actually, it was the dancing show on FOX that did."
"The Inside" could theoretically return at some point -- although Nichols' addition to the cast of "Alias" torpedoes future episodes being produced -- but Minear's not so sure he wants it to.
"They kept saying they were going to air them all," he says. "Finally I actually called them and said, 'Could you not? Would it be OK if you just didn't air them all?' I was looking toward the future and a hopeful DVD release. It just felt to me that [having unaired episodes] would make it more valuable to the studio.
"They, of course, did not agree to that."
This is not new territory for Minear, who was executive producer (with creator Joss Whedon) of "Firefly," and executive producer (with creator Bryan Fuller) of "Wonderfalls," both of which were axed by FOX only to find new life as 13-episode DVD sets.
"I already am the king of DVD," Minear says. "I'm trying to convince the studio that it would be a wise move to release 'The Inside' and 'Strange World' as one set, since Howard and I did both of those shows."
"I love that concept," Gordon says. "I'm honored to be included in Tim's company. But 'Strange World' was a couple of years ago, and even when it was out, it was fairly anonymous. I think it's a very nostalgic and forgiving inclusion."
In retrospect, Minear feels that "The Inside" may have been a bit dark for network primetime, especially since it wasn't cloaked in the fantasy and sci-fi elements that dominated his earlier efforts, such as "Firefly" and The WB's "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" spin-off, "Angel."
"There's no question that 'Angel' is darker than 'The Inside,'" Minear says, "but because it was fantasy, it buffered it somehow. On the other hand, I would say that the thing that [co-executive producer] Craig Silverstein and I were doing wasn't realistic cop stuff. It was very hyper-real, very melodramatic, very Douglas Sirk-ian."
Asked if Gordon has sought his services for the new season of "24," Minear says, "God, no. He knows better than that. I'm a creator; I'm not going to carry water for somebody. Plus, I wouldn't make any more money, and it'd be a lot of work."
Minear has a couple of ideas he's pitching for fall, one in the fantasy genre and one not. Although he's had a rocky road so far, it doesn't get him down.
"I take it in stride," he says. "They give me $50 million to make 13 episodes, so I got to do a space Western, a whimsical comedy and an abyss-staring noir. I get to do whatever I want. There's something nice about doing these 13-episode, limited series things.
"Which is not to say that I don't want to create my 'Buffy' or my 'X-Files' or something that's going to resonate with a larger audience and be on for a long time. But what I love about TV is the way it's like a novel. You want to explore different chapters."
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Poor Rachel. If she was great actress, she could probably pull of this "empty" thing. But she is probably just decent, though pretty talented actress, so of course she looked horrible with such direction. Now she will be forever remembered as that horrible lead from Inside, and it's not even her fault! Let's hope Alias will help her...





