I think it would have even been better if Tom and Ian brought up their plan in front of everyone before TC. Tom saying the following "Me, Ian and Caryn are voting Gregg. I am willing to go to the rocks should it come to that. Jen and Katie, I would advise you jump over to our side and avoid the rocks as there is a 66.6666% chance that one of you two is going home." There's nothing they could do except change their vote to Tom and try to convince Caryn that she would now be vulnerable. But Caryn doesn't seem like she would jump ship.

I just noticed Jenn this episode. I have seen her ni previous episodes, but she was usually in the background. She loves phenomenal, and terrific in her little skirt. Too bad she is probably gone next. She is definitely gone in the next two.

The funny thing about this is that Survivor changed the rules for a tie-breaker and no have the tribe go back and revote for the two who tied, like "James and Ibrahem" at that TC about a month or so ago.

I wonder how ticked their gonna be when the show is over and they realize that that wasn't the case.

They have always had a revote as part of the tie break. It is what happens after two tie votes that is the question.

They knew that.But they were figuring that unless Katie changed her vote the second time it would still be tied,then they would be doing the rock thing.

Many of you seem to think that Jenn is the next to go after her alliance with Gregg is broken when Tom/Ian/Katie/Caryn voted him out last night. I still think Caryn is the outsider and will be the next to go. Remember that Tom/Ian/Katie still has a promise with Jenn. The only difference is that the original final 5 Koror is now final 4 with Tom/Ian/Katie and Jenn.

You might be right. But why would they vote off Caryn, who seems to be on their side, and have it be Tom & Ian vs. Katie & Jen. They'll be forced into another tie situation.

I think Caryn has moved past Katie on the depth chart. Caryn showed loyalty, while Katie showed that she was willing to switch allegiances at any moment. Whatever promise that Tom and Ian had with Jenn went away when Jenn and Gregg plotted to take over.

I still think Ian could throw a wrench into things. He has said openly that he has an alliance with Katie and with Tom. A lot of people think he's more strong with Tom than Katie, but I'm not so sure. At some point, you would have to think that even Ian will realize Tom is the most likely winner if he's kept in the game.

Any bad feelings some might have for Tom, I think, wouldn't really sway the jury to go against him. Yes, Gregg was tough, yes, Ian too. And even Steph had her moments. But Tom has been the best player so far. Even though I think he's gotten lucky a few times, like Caryn being so dumb as to not join the girls and have some control of her fate, Tom has won the most, carried the biggest load, and if he makes it to the final two, he'll be able to say that he had a HUGE target on his back and STILL managed to convince people to keep him in the game.

Besides, wouldn't anyone want Katie to go against? I don't really see any of the women winning against either men, which is all the more reason for the women to get together (but they won't) now and take their chances against one another. None of them really have a clear cut advantage over another. Jenn would get Gregg's vote if she made it to the finals against a woman, Caryn would probably get Tom's, Katie would likely get Ian and Steph's, and the rest would be up in the air.

I know Katie was really playing the emotions card in the highlights for next week, but I kind of felt even before that that Ian would choose Katie over Tom. It just makes sense and if he's really thinking, given any opening he should grab Jenn and make it 3-2 against Tom. Jenn would be better off with Ian because she stands "some" shot at beating him at something and none at being Tom. She probably couldn't beat either in the jury, but she could hope she sneaks through with Katie.

It was odd that Katie mentioned to Ian that "you only want me to vote for you, because you know I can't beat you in the jury." Well, really, who did she think she could beat? I think only Caryn has longer odds to win, because she's been so weak, and Jenn seems to me to be liked a bit more than Katie. So, how did she ever see herself as the champ against Gregg or Jenn? Also, Gregg had no reason to kick Jenn to the curb for Katie, because he'd be almost certainly the winner versus either. If Katie can get back strong with Ian and grab Jenn, she at least has some chance. She could even get lucky and have Caryn fall into the finals against her. She had almost no chance the other way.

The way I see it, unless Tom starts winning immunity challenges every time, it's Ian's game to lose.

The girls won't team up to vote out a guy, because Jenn and Katie don't trust Caryn, and Caryn's strategy has been "If I'm not a threat, I won't get voted out," and she's less of a threat and less of an outsider to the guys. So Jenn gets voted off next week.

Then, if Tom doesn't get immunity, Ian and Katie can basically go to Caryn and say "Vote Tom off with us, or we'll vote you off." Then it's Ian and Caryn and Katie. Ian will probably win immunity and pick Katie to go with him (for two reasons: one is so she's not against him on the jury, and two because she'd be so disliked by the rest of the jury), and then he's won it.

Of course, some well-placed immunities would throw that plan right out the window.

I just have to say that IF Ian honors his alliance to Tom and the breaks give Ian an opportunity to get Tom out and he doesn't, then I couldn't possibly root for him to win. A lot of different things can happen, but there are probably two more challenges where Tom will be the heavy, heavy favorite because they will involve will-power and strength.

Ian has honored his promise to Tom as far as I'm concerned and, personally, if Tom doesn't win the next immunity and Ian orchestrates his departure, I think Ian will still get Tom's vote (assuming he makes the finals), because I think Tom will ultimately respect someone who finally says the best player in the game needs to go.

I'm hoping that Jenn ends up being the token girl that one of the two guys goes up against in the final, just because any of the women will lose to any of the men, so it might as well be the hot one we get to see. But if the guys have the control, it would be crazy not to choose Caryn or Katie.

It would be kind of funny with 2 pretty strong males, as far as challenges and how the jury will like them, if somehow Tom and Ian both found themselves out of the game.

Jeff has always said if you make the final 2, you deserve to be there, no matter how it happened. But if it's a Jenn/Katie/Caryn combo of some kind, it will be a real headscratcher to feel like any of them would deserve to win. If I was on the jury, based on what I know now, I could give a vote to Jenn or Katie if it was against one of the other women (even though I wouldn't feel good about it), but I couldn't award the prize to Caryn. Katie has been ok and has been, at least, trying to play the game and Jenn looks like she's the strongest of the women left. Caryn is nothing. I wish she could quit and they could put Steph back in to play for her.

If the women don't boot off one of the 2 guys (assuming one of the guys gets immunity), they are dumb as rocks for not banding together and working in their own self-interests in advancing in this game while clearing out as many immunity threats as possible.

Seriously???

Someone else will win immunity next week, and then Tom is going to win the rest till the end. Mark my words. BTW Tom and Ian have no real proof that Katie was going to switch up on them, Jenn could tell them, but her word cannot be trusted with beautiful head on the chopping block now. I'm sure Katie will deny it till the reunion show, and I'm sure she is going to be "the bitter one" on the jury for this season.

Never underestimate a woman's wrath. Especially someone as bitchy as Katie. She'll never even discuss strategy with Caryn again, because she will never forgive her for telling Tom about the proposed women's alliance.

Does anyone else think it's funny that people are still voting in the poll?

And for Gregg, no less.

But Caryn is threatened by all of them in immunity challenges. It doesn't do her much good to go with that strategy, since either of the women can clean her clock as easily as Tom or Ian. So it appears she's opted to hang with them, who she trusts much more. And then she can hope the last immunity is mental, not physical, or that one decides to go against her in the final two and throw herself on the mercy of the jury.

Caryn should not be playing to win, that is not going to happen and if she thinks it is, she is delusional. She should be playing to be in the final 2 and she has a good shot. It does not matter then who wins immunity against her, she has to make it clear that she is the perfect person to be paired with in front of the jury. She has not done much for the tribe, just kind of hung around to the end and got a little lucky.

In terms of who would get the vote

Tom > Ian > Katie > Jenn > Caryn

Both Tom and Ian have to be smart enough to recognize that neither wants to go to tribal council against the other, more so for Ian because Tom has been so strong. But Ian has done well too, it would not be a slam dunk for Tom (though I can't imagine Tom not winning... but Tom can't be sure of that). Ian seems smart, he knows he does not want to go against Tom.

No girl will win against Tom and Ian before Tribal Council. The only chance any one of them have to win it all, is to go there with another female tribe member. Katie can make a good case she played the game better than Caryn.

The question then is... are they smart enough to play this out like that? I think they may be. If that is the case, they vote off Ian or Tom, whichever does not win immunity. Then hope the next immunity challenge is not physical (or is just stamina). If the final four is one guy and 3 girls... and a girl wins immunity, they vote off the guy.

Otherwise, they can only hope to be second place.

Just for that, I voted for Caryn, to mix things up...


I couldn't get in here to vote before I saw the show! Why don't the polls close when the show airs?

You can only set the poll to end in 24 hour increments from the time the thread is posted. In a perfect world, I would post the thread at 8pm two-three days before the show. That way, the poll would close just as the episode is beginning.

That being said, I forgot to make this poll time sensitive so people will be able to vote for Gregg forever. Oops.


What was it they called Katie in this ep? It had me rolling. It rhymed with her name.

Whoever sets up the thread can set it up to have the poll close after n days. I can also close them as I see them, I have done that a few times.

Well, so much for that.

Tom called her "Shady Lady Katie".

According to Katies confessional interview, she goes where the power is...from Tom to the Steph lead Girl Power move to Gregg, now back to Ian/Tom...

rember this one thing, Karen and Jenn are usless around camp and Katie and Karen grate on each other...the thought of a 3 girl camp trying to survive and get food might be too much for them to bear.

Plus Karen is still stinging from being the odd man out since DAY 1...with Tom/Ian she BELONGS...the sight of Janu, Coby, and Steph on the jury is a constant reminder...now seeing Gregg, Katie and Jenn there while she sits still in the game would be a powerful motivator not to deviate.

Also I see Jenn being the malcontent now. I predict she will disenchant herself further from the tribe, believing her goose to already be cooked. She will sulk her way to juryville on the next boat out.