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cdollaz 05-04-05 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by mookiemeister
Spoiler:
I think Rob made a mistake by not taking Joyce & Uchenna serious enough. Remember last week when he commented on J&U and M&G 'blind leading the blind'? I think by not using the yield on J&U in last night's episode, they have allowed J&U be in the final 3 and to win the race next week. I read in another post that online betting for Amazing Race was stopped due to an unusual large number of people betting on J&U. Probably some insider leaked the winner and people were using that info to win some money betting on J&U.

Some are going to be pissed at you for not spoilering this!

runner001 05-04-05 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by mookiemeister
It's those disparaging comments Ron make to Kelly that make me dislike the guy. It's pretty clear from those scenes that Kelly didn't like his remarks and he just doesn't shutup.

are you referring to the bus driving roadblock where he was yelling at her to do this and that? if not, what comments are you referring to?

Chew 05-04-05 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by cdollaz
Some are going to be pissed at you for not spoilering this!

And if he goes back and spoilerizes it, some people are going to be pissed at you for keeping the quote intact unspoilered. Should probably do the same to yours. :)

cdollaz 05-04-05 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by Red Dog
Who cares? It isn't against the rules, so they are smart to doing so. If I were running this race, I would pay people to help me.

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That's what I would do. I would spend every free moment in airports, etc. begging for money and building up my pile. Then I would just bribe and pay off everyone. It's always good to be able to slip a couple hundred extra to someone to convince them to help you and not the other teams.

cdollaz 05-04-05 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by Chew
And if he goes back and spoilerizes it, some people are going to be pissed at you for keeping the quote intact unspoilered. Should probably do the same to yours. :)

It's already out there now. Maybe I'll erase the post then.

Red Dog 05-04-05 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by Pharoh
They can not simply assume that there will be a bunch-up on the next leg, and their move assured them of starting the leg with a sizeable lead. It wasn't about coming in first, it was a safe move concerned with winning the whole race.


I disagree. I think you have to assume that there will be a bunch-up in the final leg - makes for far better television (they don't want a runaway in a 2-hour season finale). There almost always is no matter what leg of the race, and I believe there has always been one in the final leg of each season.

The goal should have been to 'help' the Geezers finish in the top-3. Realistically, yielding R&K would not help ensure that since they had to know (given the later arriving flight) that the Geezers were closer to the Baldies than R&K.

Chew 05-04-05 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by cdollaz
It's already out there now. Maybe I'll erase the post then.

Just hit the edit key, and add the spoiler tags to the quote. Easy as pie. :D

BDLOU 05-04-05 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by Red Dog
I disagree. I think you have to assume that there will be a bunch-up in the final leg. There almost always is, and I believe there has always been one in the final leg of each season.

The goal should have been to 'help' the Geezers finish in the top-3. Realistically, yielding R&K would not help ensure that since they had to know (given the later arriving flight) that the Geezers were closer to the Baldies than R&K.

Even if there is a bunch up, the extra time that this affords Rob and Amber might allow them to find a better flight or get some sort of advantage. I don't think were thinking about what team to keep in the race. They were looking for a cushion.

Red Dog 05-04-05 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by BDLOU
Even if there is a bunch up, the extra time that this affords Rob and Amber might allow them to find a better flight or get some sort of advantage. I don't think were thinking about what team to keep in the race. They were looking for a cushion.


I don't disagree that is what they were considering. I just don't think that was the correct consideration.

BDLOU 05-04-05 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by Red Dog
I don't disagree that is what they were considering. I just don't think that was the correct consideration.

Yeah. I don't think Rob thinks of U&J or M&G as any difference in ability. He doesn't think either team is better than the other. Although, he should consider the more physical nature of U&J as that may play a huge part at some point. Although, Rob can match up with anyone in something physical and I would bet Amber could out perform Joyce in anything. It's still nice to know that it would take the old couple twice as long as yourself to do anything physical. U&J just have problems when they have to drive themselves somewhere.

das Monkey 05-04-05 09:22 AM


Red Dog

I disagree. I think you have to assume that there will be a bunch-up in the final leg - makes for far better television (they don't want a runaway in a 2-hour season finale). There almost always is no matter what leg of the race, and I believe there has always been one in the final leg of each season.

The goal should have been to 'help' the Geezers finish in the top-3. Realistically, yielding R&K would not help ensure that since they had to know (given the later arriving flight) that the Geezers were closer to the Baldies than R&K.

Agreed. When, in the history of this show, has a "lead" ever meant a damn when starting a leg of the race? Every episode includes at least one bunch-up, <i>especially</i> the final ones, and they're always defeated by strategy, not leads. Unless the race is completed in London, they'll all be on a flight together before too long.

It was a mistake. Building a lead on Ron and Kelly is near useless, especially when there's one more non-elimination leg left. Potentially knocking out worthy competitors, however, has real value. It still may not have worked, but it had a much greater chance of success than yielding R&K.

das

Khalid 05-04-05 09:29 AM


Originally Posted by runner001
are you referring to the bus driving roadblock where he was yelling at her to do this and that? if not, what comments are you referring to?


I started out rooting for Ron and Kelly but Ron has been a very passively disdainful of Kelly most of the race. He basically ignores her opinion every chance he gets. Go back to the Roadblock where they had to take 180 books to a library, she wanted to get them all and he made them make 2 trips. She'll say something and he'll sometimes just ignore her. Last night, he was wandering around and wouldn't show Kelly the clue until she grabbed it out of his hand and found out where they had to go. (I think she asked him if he wanted to apologize [for not letting her see the clue earlier])

I thought it was pretty ironic he's bragging about operating a 35 million dollar vehicle -- if Ron had been driving the double-decker bus, he probably would've crashed it, gotten picked up by a bobby and quit the race after his release. ;)

DRG 05-04-05 09:30 AM

This is the thing I hate about saving all the non-elimination legs untilt he end. Teams will KNOW that this next has leg HAS to be non-elim so they might not have to bust their ass as much.

Red Dog 05-04-05 09:35 AM

I asked this before, but nobody replied. How many roadblocks have each of the male competitors performed so far?

cdollaz 05-04-05 09:38 AM


Originally Posted by Red Dog
I asked this before, but nobody replied. How many roadblocks have each of the male competitors performed so far?

Ron said he had already done 5 and that is why he didn't do the bus. I guess he wanted to save 1 for the last leg. Not sure about anyone else.

Elldubtoo 05-04-05 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by BDLOU
Even if there is a bunch up, the extra time that this affords Rob and Amber might allow them to find a better flight or get some sort of advantage. I don't think were thinking about what team to keep in the race. They were looking for a cushion.


I agree.
If you know that you're the best racer (as Rob certainly does), it doesn't matter if you face a 70 year old couple or a 35-40 year old couple. The Amazing Race is a show where when you lose, it's your fault.
Rob just wanted to finish first and be in first position at the start of the next leg.

cdollaz 05-04-05 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by Elldubtoo
The Amazing Race is a show where when you lose, it's your fault.

That's not true. Luck plays a huge part in this race. How do you think the olds made it so far this time.

All it takes is a flat tire/bad cabbie who doesn't know where he is going/incompetent travel agent to cost you the game.

Elldubtoo 05-04-05 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by cdollaz
That's not true. Luck plays a huge part in this race. How do you think the olds made it so far this time.

All it takes is a flat tire/bad cabbie who doesn't know where he is going/incompetent travel agent to cost you the game.


Well, you can't predict luck. How do you know Uchenna and Joyce won't get terribly unlucky or Meridith and her husband won't be very lucky on the next leg?
But you can somewhat prepare for bad luck by having extra time at the beginning to make up for it. That is, if there isn't a bunch-up at the beginning.

mookiemeister 05-04-05 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by runner001
are you referring to the bus driving roadblock where he was yelling at her to do this and that? if not, what comments are you referring to?

It's after the double-decker bus driving roadblock when he made some negative remarks. Also, a few episodes ago, there was some altercations between them. Sorry, I don't have a perfect recall and I didn't tape the show so I can't exactly describe what happen then.

aktick 05-04-05 10:32 AM

IMO neither Ron or Kelly are very respectful of one another. He's afraid to admit his mistakes (a typical alpha-male, I suppose?) while she's just so stuck up and full of herself it's a joke. Not doing much to debunk the beauty queen "myths."

JasonF 05-04-05 11:01 AM

In terms of the online betting, my wife said she heard two separate stories about online betting having to close due to heavy betting on one of the teams -- and each of the stories involved a different team, both of which are still in the race. So I don't know that we can read too much into the fact that there was a story about heavy online betting for Team A, given that there was also apparently heavy online betting for Team B.

Red Dog 05-04-05 11:09 AM

I never know what to think of the online betting angle on these reality shows. I think much of it is a bandwagon mentality - people monitor the odds and when they become shorter on a team (which very well could have nothing to do with inside knowledge), then more bettors start jumping on, which causes the odds to become even shorter, etc. At that point, it may look fishy, but it very well may not be.

That being said, I still can't believe the offshores offer odds on these game shows. Too much inside info available and since 1) they are offshore and 2) it is gambling, there is no insider-trading type law against it.

LorenzoL 05-04-05 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by mookiemeister
I think Rob made a mistake by not taking Joyce & Uchenna serious enough. Remember last week when he commented on J&U and M&G 'blind leading the blind'? I think by not using the yield on J&U in last night's episode, they have allowed J&U be in the final 3 and to win the race next week.
Spoiler:
I read in another post that online betting for Amazing Race was stopped due to an unusual large number of people betting on J&U. Probably some insider leaked the winner and people were using that info to win some money betting on J&U.

Whether what he indicated is true or not, I'm pissed that he didn't add the spoiler tags for his comments. He's been in this board long enough that he should know to include spoiler tags to discussions involving events in future episodes. VERY DISRESPECTFUL IMO. :mad:

JasonF 05-04-05 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by Red Dog
I never know what to think of the online betting angle on these reality shows. I think much of it is a bandwagon mentality - people monitor the odds and when they become shorter on a team (which very well could have nothing to do with inside knowledge), then more bettors start jumping on, which causes the odds to become even shorter, etc. At that point, it may look fishy, but it very well may not be.

That being said, I still can't believe the offshores offer odds on these game shows. Too much inside info available and since 1) they are offshore and 2) it is gambling, there is no insider-trading type law against it.

I've never understood why anybody would take a bet on an event that has already occurred. I mean, if I won the Amazing Race, the first thing I'd do is put all my available cash on a bet for me to win -- it's a lock! It reminds me of the old joke about the guy who bets on the home team to win the game, and when they lose, the other guy says "Gee, I can't really take your money -- this game is on tape delay and I already knew who won from the morning paper." And the first guy says "Yeah, I saw that too, but I couldn't believe they would lose twice in a row!"

LorenzoL 05-04-05 11:28 AM

FOX stayed in front at 9 p.m. with "House," 10.9/16. NBC jumped up to second with "Law & Order: SVU," 9.2/14. "The Amazing Race" was its usual solid self, finishing with an 8.1/12. ABC got a 5.2/8 from two episodes of "According to Jim." "One Tree Hill" kept The WB in fifth, beating UPN's "Veronica Mars."


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