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View Poll Results: Who will be voted out Thursday, April 28, 2005?
Caryn
6
9.09%
Gregg
14
21.21%
Dolphin Boy Ian
1
1.52%
Jennifer
2
3.03%
Katie
2
3.03%
Stephenie
34
51.52%
Tom
7
10.61%
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Survivor: Palau 4/28/05

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Old 04-28-05 | 08:56 PM
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Pretty predictable as this poll showed.

They probably could have voted out Tom... he now has a better chance of winning more immunities with Steph out.
Old 04-28-05 | 08:56 PM
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Caryn really screwed up her shot by not going with Katie's plan because the numbers were there (but would Jenn have signed on, that would have been the turning point).
Old 04-28-05 | 09:03 PM
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Damn damn damn.

Now, do I care anymore? Do I just tune in to the finale to see how incredibly postive Steph's jury questions are?

You know she'll be all "I'm really proud of you guys!"
Old 04-28-05 | 09:03 PM
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Caryn isn't playing the game well. she's too honest and straight forward.
she was like Dolly last season, playing both sides, but in the end she screwed herself. Unlike Dolly, Caryn is fugly.
Old 04-28-05 | 09:05 PM
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I'm starting to think this show is completely made up. Every single season there's some moron that has a competely obvious move that they end up not taking. Every single season this happens.

Ya, go align with the men, like you have any shot in hell of beating any of them in any challenge. Don't go with the woman and have a small chance at least.

Either this show is completely made up or they consistantly get the biggest group of idiots ever assembled, year end and year out.
Old 04-28-05 | 09:07 PM
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I'm sure on the questionnaires for applicants, there's a box for "Are you socially and politically savvy?" and those who don't mark "yes" get put into a pile of "suitable" fodder for possible contestants.
Old 04-28-05 | 09:09 PM
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Is the only reason Greg is so against Steph because Jenn made him her bitch? In a fair world, Caryn would be gone, followed by Katie, Jenn, Greg, Ian and then the final two being Steph and Tom.
In the Survivor world, Greg really screwed up by letting Jenn lead him by his balls to vote out Steph because of her jealousy and not Tom. Do they really think Tom's going to lose another immunity challenge? Not taking out the big man when he's wounded is gonna come back to bite Greg in his ass!
Old 04-28-05 | 09:09 PM
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Unlike Dolly, Caryn is fugly.

Caryn is looking more and more like a little boy.










Awaits Michael Jackson jokes.
Old 04-28-05 | 09:12 PM
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I just can't get over how bad Tom and Ian screwed up. They could have used Steph to get rid of Greg (how he has skated through without being identified as a threat is curious), Jenn, Caryn, and then Katie. Then just fought for the final immunity challenge or Ian and Steph could have then ditched Tom when he loses his next one (which will happen).
Old 04-28-05 | 09:15 PM
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nah, we all know dam well that tom will lose an immunity challenge and they'll vote off caryn or someone. These people are all idiots.
Old 04-28-05 | 09:18 PM
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30 days out there must really F-up your thought processes.
Old 04-28-05 | 09:25 PM
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Caryn = worst lawyere EVER

Everyone on the island knows she's a snitch now, and I think she's pretty much sunk her chance at any alliance. Hell, even Tom acts noncommittal toward her. "Yeah, Caryn, I'll protect you as long as I can." Translation: "I'm not after you now, but I'll turn on you when it becomes convenient."

Why is Gregg so obsessed with getting rid of Stephenie? He's the low man on the totem pole. I would think he'd rather break the Tom/Ian alliance. A smart move for Gregg would probably be to form an alliance with Katie, Steph, Jenn, and himself to pick off Tom, Ian, and Caryn. It would set him up to be a power player going into the final four; all he would have to do is turn Steph on Katie or Katie on Steph to make it to the final three and still be a power player.

I'm not really sure how strong the alliances are in this game; from what they show us, it appears like everything is rather fluid, but the last three tribal councils have all been X-against-1 in the final vote, so it looks like there's a pecking order there.
Old 04-28-05 | 09:31 PM
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There's no Rob (Amazon season) in Koror's tribe, thus, the flip-flopping is minimal at this point.
Old 04-28-05 | 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Gil Jawetz
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Damn damn damn.

Now, do I care anymore? Do I just tune in to the finale to see how incredibly postive Steph's jury questions are?

You know she'll be all "I'm really proud of you guys!"

Sadly, I agree completely.


Very disappointing, expected as it may have been.
Old 04-28-05 | 10:12 PM
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That was just sooo disappointing for so many reasons.

If I really thought Steph was the right person to go this week, despite rooting for her to win it all, I wouldn't be so upset.

But Tom basically got Caryn on board by telling her that he had a group of 5 and her best interest would be to make it a group of 6. How could she be so stupid to think that was a good thing for her? There were only 7 people there and instead of making some kind of move, any kind of move, she sacrificed Stephenie.

Ian could have made a move too and, really, why not just vote off Tom when you have the chance...that goes for everyone there? Or, at worst if you feel totally loyal to Tom to vote him off right now, how about Gregg who's clearly the 2nd best player AND who had an early plot/plan to go against his alliance if things had broken the other way? He's not been held accountable for that at all.

I just don't get why these people make such lame decisions that don't even benefit them. Yes, I wanted Steph to win, but there were bigger fish to fry than her at this point and the decisions people made didn't really make any sense other than showing some to be stupid and others too scared to shake things up.

They might get Tom anyway, but then Gregg is in the drivers seat, especially if Jenn stays loyal to him and tonight everyone made Tom or Gregg's road the finals a lot easier. Because of the big target on Tom's back and because the idiots have allowed Gregg to stay around with Jenn, I think a couple's final of Jenn and Gregg looks very possible right now.

This would have been a great time to shake things up, especially for the women who don't stand a great chance against Tom, Gregg or Ian. I don't like Katie much, but she's the only one who seemed to get what kind of opportunity that would have been to get some real power and eliminate one of the top threats. Like Steph said, she might be the favorite amongst the women, but she's not nearly the threat that Tom and Gregg are.

I'd like to see Steph and her bf on The Amazing Race, but they probably won't put another Survivor couple on the show so soon after Rob and Amber.
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Old 04-28-05 | 10:13 PM
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I just can't get over how bad Tom and Ian screwed up. They could have used Steph to get rid of Greg (how he has skated through without being identified as a threat is curious), Jenn, Caryn, and then Katie.
That's the flipside that has me scratching my head also. I'm dumbfounded that the tribe hasn't identified Greg and Jen as a threat to dispose of. Why's Tom so afraid to go after Greg or Jen? If Tom, Ian, Katie would have stuck with Steph they could've pick off Caryn, Greg and Jen. With Tom agreeing to get rid of Steph his group loses the advantage and leaves him more vulnerable.
Old 04-28-05 | 10:15 PM
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This sucks worse than when they voted Mikalah off that other show
Old 04-28-05 | 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Patman
There's no Rob (Amazon season) in Koror's tribe, thus, the flip-flopping is minimal at this point.


It is not that. This remaining group of people might just be the absolute dumbest collection ever in Survivor. The only two people who should not have even been considered for elimination by any of the contestants were Stephanie and Caryn. Yet, inexplicably, those were the only two names seriously considered.

Stupid.
Old 04-28-05 | 10:24 PM
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That's the flipside that has me scratching my head also. I'm dumbfounded that the tribe hasn't identified Greg and Jen as a threat to dispose of. Why's Tom so afraid to go after Greg or Jen? If Tom, Ian, Katie would have stuck with Steph they could've pick off Caryn, Greg and Jen. With Tom agreeing to get rid of Steph his group loses the advantage and leaves him more vulnerable.

Greg wasted his opportunity as well. If things hold, he is on the outside looking in of a 4 to 2 deficit. Same goes for Ian. Does he really have a chance now to win?

I am truly hoping that Tom runs the immunity challenge table from here on out so that the other tribe members realise what a horrendous mistake they made.
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But, look at this being one of the more impressive feats for Tom to escape getting bounced when it should have been him all along because he was the biggest threat to maintain immunity for the home stretch.

You have to wonder if he was really thinking when he parlayed Caryn's intell into getting Ian to relay the "girl's plan" back to Katie, which made Katie go back to the fallback plan of booting Steph. It was a bold move that paid off for Tom in a big way, it bought him 3 more days. That was actually pretty impressive given the huge target on his back at this point in the game. The rest of Koror was so focused to oust the last Ulonger because none of them wanted to see Steph sneak into the finals after Koror as a group pummelled Ulong in the first phase of the game. But these Kororian women lost sight of how to further themselves in the game when the men are so much more apt to win immunity and stay safe from getting the boot. The women lost such a big obvious advantage in a game where numbers matter, and this is what makes Tom staving off his elimination very impressive.
Old 04-28-05 | 10:34 PM
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Before this episode, I thought Katie had a close alliance with Tom and Ian, but after her plotting against Tom in this episode, I think Katie is also on the outskirt of Koror tribe. I think Tom/Ian and Gregg/Jenn has a final 4 alliance. With this said, I think Katie and Caryn will be the next 2 getting the boot.
Old 04-28-05 | 10:34 PM
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But, look at this being one of the more impressive feats for Tom to escape getting bounced when it should have been him all along because he was the biggest threat to maintain immunity for the home stretch.

You have to wonder if he was really thinking when he parlayed Caryn's intell into getting Ian to relay the "girl's plan" back to Katie, which made Katie go back to the fallback plan of booting Steph. It was a bold move that paid off for Tom in a big way, it bought him 3 more days. That was actually pretty impressive given the huge target on his back at this point in the game. The rest of Koror was so focused to oust the last Ulonger because none of them wanted to see Steph sneak into the finals after Koror as a group pummelled Ulong in the first phase of the game. But these Kororian women lost sight of how to further themselves in the game when the men are so much more apt to win immunity and stay safe from getting the boot. The women lost such a big obvious advantage in a game where numbers matter, and this is what makes Tom staving off his elimination very impressive.
I see the big winner from tonight to be Gregg. Tom had other ways of staying in the game other than avoiding the women's alliance. He could have been smart and kept the Steph, Katie, and Ian alliance and, personally, I think that would have been the best move for him. Ian seems to weak of mind to go against Tom and Katie would do whatever she could to assure herself a final 4 spot. Steph is extremely loyal and would have stuck with them if they had shown her even once that they had her back.

Now, we're left with Steph gone and the focus of everyone is still on Tom and he's weaker now that he would have been with Steph staying. Gregg will, again, have a great chance of avoiding the wrath of the tribe because Tom will be the one people will be focusing on AND Gregg has Jenn from what I can see, so he's got a guarantee of two votes. Ian will get flustered, as will Caryn, and Katie will do whatever she has to do to stay, so Tom's in a really vulnerable position.

He made it another 3 days, but he could have done that in a different way and made it very difficult to have been booted before they got down to 3...assuming the weakest link of that group, Katie, went out first.
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From Tom's POV, Steph was a wildcard, and he and the rest decided not to risk it by keeping her around.
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I agree Tom's best move was to stay with the original alliance of 4. It seems there are 2 separate 2 person alliances now and Tom isn't in either. Greg/Jen and Ian/Katie. Can Caryn really be trusted as a sidekick? I don't think so.

However, it's not over for Tom or anyone else for that matter. Tom really needs to win the next 2 immunity challenges in a row and try to keep Caryn around as long as possible without seeming like he is alligned with her. If he loses immunity next week or the week after, I'd say it's curtains for him, unless Ian and Katie are overwhelmed with stupidity.

If he kept Steph with him Tom could've picked off whomever he wanted one by one. Steph was more loyal than anyone left out there and would've been happy to get to the final 3 or 2 with Tom and/or Caryn.

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