It's not surprising that Bozell is batshit insane, his parents were also.

I've yet to see the man have a good point. His points boil down to this - "you're too stupid to make an informed decision as to what you want to watch and what you think your kids should watch, so I'm going to do it for you."

Every time this idiot opens his mouth, people need to be reminded that the WWF sued him and WON. They managed to prove that he's a lying douchebag.

Whatever happened to the V-Chip?

Oh, yeah, all of the people that wanted it won't fucking use it.

Just fuck'n lame if you ask me. Michael Chiklis has said himself that he hasn't let his daughter view the show other than the scenes that she is in. So clearly, none of the child actors are being exposed to graphic violence and so forth. Fuck'n worthless effort on the PTC groups march.

Not to mention the already mentioned aspect that FX really beats you over the head with the warnings.

Hell, just all the FOX channels in general usually have an ad every 5 minutes it seems advertising the benefits of the V chip as if they were trying to save their own ass from something... hmmmmmm...

You know, I've never seen The Shield but from what I've read it actually sounds great for kids. It's got Anthony "Kangeroo Jack" Anderson in it, who's more kid-friendly? Plus I hear he does some acting with an 11-year-old girl in the latest episode. I plan to Tivo it and bring all the neighborhood kids over to see.

What kid wants to watch the Shield anyways? I mean when you are 10 and under isn't it all about cartoons and videogames...shit like that? I know when I was 8 I wasn't sneaking out of my room after bed time to watch a visceral cop drama...I swear. If they're going to pick a fight at least talk about something that's somewhat aimed at kids. I bet they go after the Chapelle show next or again (don't know if this is on their list).

I bet Brent has a HUGE! porn collection. Just saying.

PTC is definitely out of bounds on this one. The repeated content warnings and V-chip spots is enough to make parents aware of what this show consists of.

-Paul Jacobi-

This is all lies and propaganda. Republicans are for FREEDOM!!!

I hope everyone in PTC gets AIDS, Cancer, and the Ebola virus. Now for how I really feel about them....

So:
Organization launches campaign to direct its members energies at expressing their opinions on a certain program which is not very kid-friendly. Just like hundreds of other groups have done.
For this action, violent and painful suffering death is wished upon them.
And they're the bad guys.

assholes must be punished.

Not the bad guys. Just too stupid to parent their own children. For that I ask them to fornicate elsewhere

Man, people are really good at just uttering stupid insults. Pretty impressive.

Sure, you might not agree with the PTC, but they're entitled to their point of view just like everyone else.

I happen to be conservative and The Shield is one of my favorite shows. I don't want my kids watching it (5 & 8), so I have a Tivo lock code like Tasha99 above. I think if people don't want to watch it, they don't have to, and if advertisers don't want to support it, they don't have to either.

I favor personal responsibility and comments that actually show cognitive thought. But maybe that's just me...

The fact is that the agenda of the PTC is NOT to educate parents on how to raise their children around television and media (a commendable goal) but to get shows that I and other ADULTS like off the air because they are too lazy to figure out how to use the V-Chip or, god forbid, take the kids outside or read them a book instead of plopping in front of the boob tube.

So they can believe that television should be completely childproof but I can call them misguided assholes who would rather take something from others than handle the issue themselves.

I'm sorry if that isn't cognitive enough for you. Oh wait, no I'm not.

I couldn't care less if you're sorry or not.

How, precisely, do you somehow know exactly what the agenda of the PTC is?

You seem to have some sort of an idea on how you think a majority of parents raise their children (e.g. don't monitor what they watch, don't read them books, plop them in front of the tube), and I guess you could be right. So, if you're in favor of raising kids beyond that minimal level, that's great. I agree, and that's what I'm shootin' for.

Yes, it does seem the PTC is misguided, targeting a show that's somewhere between network TV & HBO, is on late at night, has warnings, etc. My point was that just saying "they're assholes" is a pretty moronic way to "discuss" their viewpoint or the topic that started this thread.

But hey, obviously people are free to post what they like. And, just as people are free NOT to watch The Shield, people are free to NOT read threads...

I don't believe laziness is a motivation at all. They simply want to force their own morality on others and dictate taste under the thin guise of protecting children; and while I do not wish any bodily harm to their members, I don't feel off base by labeling their actions as disgusting.

das

They're just a bunch of bluenoses who don't think such programming should be shown, period. They're just using "the children" as an excuse, like most of these dipshits do.

We have to get rid of pornography, for the children.
We have to get rid of guns, for the children.
We have to muzzle Howard Stern, for the children.

While the comparison to an organization with such a violent history is unfair even for the PTC, discussing their viewpoint is about as fruitful as discussing the merits of the Klan. This is far from the first "misguided" agenda of the PTC, and sadly it's far from the last. You are correct that dismissing them with quick negative comments is not the heart of intelligent debate, but I'd argue that the building resume of this organization speaks for itself and is not worthy of the effort to intellectually tear apart their fringe agenda.

We all want the best for our children. We want to protect them from an often harsh and unforgiving world. We want them to have a better life than our own. But don't confuse such noble desires with the actions and agenda of the PTC. This is America, and they are free to not only hold such opinions but to lobby in favor of them; however, don't be too surprised if many people around here find their laughable hypocrisy unworthy of serious comment.

das

And we're entitled to our opinion that they're a bunch of busybody fucks.

All I know is that if they took everything off the air that offended someone, there wouldn't be anything left on the air (heck, my ex-wife and her current husband find "That's So Raven" objectionable because they believe it promotes witchcraft).

I will repeat what i said but in a better fashion.

What exactly is stopping these PTC members from just getting rid of thier basic cable so as to avoid thier kids from viewing such "offensive" shows?

Perhaps my logic is too much?

They way it looks to me is that, besides wanting to ruin things for everyone, they are too lazy or are unwilling to give up the "necessity" of basic cable to help keep "offensive" shows away from thier kids. Which in turn makes them seem like bad parents.


Yes, I realize they are hiding behind "for the kids" to futher thier "cause".

I agree on the morality issue, but I do think "laziness" is a factor. That laziness being they want to be able to turn on the TV and walk away from the child and be confident they won't see anything "objetionable."

Hey, everyone! Looking at next week's TV listings, I don't see "The Shiled" anywhere on TV! It worked!

Now they can go focus their energies on "nap/tick" and "Resecu Me" and "Despondant Housewives". Bet you the week after, those shows won't be on the air either.