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j123vt_99 09-23-04 08:47 PM

The Apprentice - 9\23
 
Is this ending built up just for the TV cameras?

Steam 09-23-04 08:49 PM

I don't know but is it possible for a show to "jump the Magic 8-ball"?

TabascoKid 09-23-04 08:53 PM

Shark sighting.

j123vt_99 09-23-04 08:58 PM

ok.. so I wasn't crazy in my thinking... at least I pay my taxes

TwineTime 09-23-04 09:01 PM

This show seems to get worse every week.

gettinbranded 09-23-04 09:01 PM

Dons going crazy too...

ClarkKentKY 09-23-04 09:02 PM

I'm sick of Roshambo Board Rooms. Trump won't leave the format alone. He could learn a little bit from Probst.

"AND FOR THE FIRST TIME THE RULES ... ARE ... BROKEN!"

-rolleyes- Hardly seemed like an issue.

Pressplay 09-23-04 10:08 PM

Trump's phone negotiation fake-out was just lame!
And why is he asking the others what he should do? Is he the boss or not? Me thinks he's going to turn into just plain Donald and lose his "The" pretty soon.

MrX 09-23-04 10:31 PM

Watching this episode tonight made Trump's comments about being robbed at the Emmys when the Amazing Race won even more funny.

ClarkKentKY 09-23-04 11:27 PM

What was with the extremely lame royal trumpet music when Trump was coming down the escalator?

:lol:

Josh-da-man 09-24-04 01:14 AM

I was just getting ready to come in and post about how this show is starting to suck, but see I've been beat to the punch.

It's getting really old seeing companies and products whored out each week. Mattel, Toys R Us, Dunkin Donuts, and now Crest toothpaste. The first season was kind of neat because the contestants were running around doing these weird assignments for Trump himself. Now it's just kind... irritating.

And now, two of the first three firings have been stunt firings. He's kicking out people for whatever reason now instead of the ones who fuck up the job. Bradford did a good job, but he's fired because Trump goaded him into giving up his exemption. And now Stacie was fired -- not because she fucked up the current assignment -- but because she was playing with a Magic Eight Ball a couple of weeks ago? :rolleyes:

This season will only be worth watching to see how big of a trainwreck it becomes.

Dabaomb 09-24-04 03:22 AM


Originally posted by Josh-da-man
I was just getting ready to come in and post about how this show is starting to suck, but see I've been beat to the punch.

It's getting really old seeing companies and products whored out each week. Mattel, Toys R Us, Dunkin Donuts, and now Crest toothpaste. The first season was kind of neat because the contestants were running around doing these weird assignments for Trump himself. Now it's just kind... irritating.

And now, two of the first three firings have been stunt firings. He's kicking out people for whatever reason now instead of the ones who fuck up the job. Bradford did a good job, but he's fired because Trump goaded him into giving up his exemption. And now Stacie was fired -- not because she fucked up the current assignment -- but because she was playing with a Magic Eight Ball a couple of weeks ago? :rolleyes:

This season will only be worth watching to see how big of a trainwreck it becomes.

I disagree. Trump is firing ppl based on who he thinks has the ability to run his company.

Bradford was talented but he was so full of himself. He made brash decisions without thinking. He let his cockiness get the best of him and that's why he was fired.

Trump fired Stacie J cuz she was a cancer to the team. Everyone thought that she was a wierdo and for 2 straight weeks, everyone wanted to fire her.

Don't worry though, Ivana, Jennifer, Elizabeth and Maria won't become the apprentice anyway so they'll all get fired eventually. It'll probably be one of the guys.

Oh yeah, Elizabeth and the bridal shop owner (Sandy?) are some pretty nice eye candy :drool:

synergy 09-24-04 04:31 AM


Originally posted by Dabaomb
I disagree. Trump is firing ppl based on who he thinks has the ability to run his company.
It's really nice to see someone who can actually defend Donald Trump's decisions, although in reality only famewhores would apply or even want to work for The Donald's mostly bankrupt corporate empire. This season's contestants are significantly worse than the previous season and the tasks have become corporate promotional tools. I can see the show's ratings going down during this season once viewers realize that the unpredictability of this show is mainly due to Trump's egotistical and impulsive instead of logical and sound decisions. While this show still has some entertainment values, just don't expect to learn any real business lessons.

movieking 09-24-04 07:27 AM

Not a great episode, but I am glad the nutcase is gone.

zuckuss 09-24-04 07:34 AM

The show is sinking fast for me. I guess it's the same for most, since we're still on page 1.

Alyoshka 09-24-04 08:04 AM


Originally posted by Dabaomb
I disagree. Trump is firing ppl based on who he thinks has the ability to run his company.

Bradford was talented but he was so full of himself. He made brash decisions without thinking. He let his cockiness get the best of him and that's why he was fired.

Bradford did a good job but was fired because Trump goaded him into giving up his immunity. Then Trump ran around this week pointing out to other contestants that they shouldn't make the mistake Bradford did. Come on, there was no mistake. Look, at how Trump himself created the infrastructure of his game. These people are in their mini-corporations. Bradford gave up his individual immunity to try to repair some of the divisions in his corporation. He made a selfless decision to help his company. Trump got it wrong when he turned it around to that act being something that would destroy a corporation. No Trump the act wasn't destructive it was constructive. You just plain got it wrong and there was no indication that he would act in a way that would damage his corporation. He never did yet he was fired because he was trying to help his corporation.

Groucho 09-24-04 08:06 AM


Originally posted by ClarkKentKY
What was with the extremely lame royal trumpet music when Trump was coming down the escalator?

:lol:

Funny stuff. Reminded me of "Derek Newcastle" on Joe Schmoe 2.

pezboy 09-24-04 08:47 AM

Didn't I read somewhere about a big controversy when they filmed the whole Crest thing? Something about one of the teams hiring random people to help ship or transport or carry cases back and forth. That person passed out or something. Hell was raised. Does that sound familiar?

I should really search the web before I post questions like this now that I type this.

pezboy 09-24-04 08:54 AM

I found it...
 
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/sto...p-168547c.html


A spy tells Lowdown that after handing out tube after tube of the decay-preventing dentifrice to passersby, the "Apprentice" team enlisted a plump 51-year-old woman to haul the unsightly empty boxes back to a nearby truck and haul back armsful of sparkling-new boxes.

Who knows if this is true. If it is, I wonder if this was the men or the women? Hmmmm.

Red Dog 09-24-04 08:55 AM

Boy it is like everyone is jumping ship on The Apprentice at once. :lol: I don't know what was so different about this episode than others.

Phil L. 09-24-04 11:50 AM

In today's business news the top story in NJ is about how Trump's restructuring deal that could have potentially saved his AC casino empire has fallen through and is drowning in $1.8 billion of debt.

If Trump Resorts cannot come up with a way to restructure it's debt soon, it faces the prospect of a drawn-out bankruptcy reorganization.

Michael T Hudson 09-24-04 12:00 PM

I think it is funny when Trump talks about what he has accomplished but neglects the Casino problem. I told my wife last night I bet this is the last season.

tofu 09-24-04 12:01 PM

The commercials definitely seem to be making something out of nothing especially since this cast seems to be a bunch of nobodies.

Was it just me or did the crowds around the crest things seem really small? WHen they showed the aerial view over the women's team's stage, it looked like they were only 50 people.

Tracer Bullet 09-24-04 12:07 PM


Originally posted by synergy
I can see the show's ratings going down during this season once viewers realize that the unpredictability of this show is mainly due to Trump's egotistical and impulsive instead of logical and sound decisions. While this show still has some entertainment values, just don't expect to learn any real business lessons.
Does anyone watch this show as an extension of business school?

I didn't watch the Apprentice last season, and I love it! It's such a disaster every week, it's great. Really goes to show you what kind of personality most business people have.

WillieTheShakes 09-24-04 12:39 PM


Originally posted by Alyoshka
Bradford gave up his individual immunity to try to repair some of the divisions in his corporation.
That's just self-serving Bradford bullshit. He got cocky, he wanted to impress Trump with his guts, and Trump called him on it. "Try to repair some of the divisions"? Get real...

Giles 09-24-04 02:08 PM

wow, the woman's team were really catty and downright mean to Stacy J. You kind of know she wouldn't have survived much longer, but that was surprising and ugly how they ganged up on her there.

Jadzia 09-24-04 02:18 PM


Originally posted by Giles
wow, the woman's team were really catty and downright mean to Stacy J. You kind of know she wouldn't have survived much longer, but that was surprising and ugly how they ganged up on her there.
They smelled blood and it was like a circle of vultures swooping overhead.

I could not see Stacie J winning or running a company but the way some of those chicks exaggerated about her made me embarrassed to have a vagina.

You feared for your life? Um, okay. Was that the Magic 8-Ball of Death?

seymouru 09-24-04 02:21 PM

I had just watched the "Mean Girls" DVD the night before, and it all seemed very consistent with Tina Fey's take on how women act toward each other in a competitive environment...

saoirse 09-24-04 02:31 PM


Originally posted by TracerBullet
Really goes to show you what kind of personality most business people have.
Just the camera-whore ones. Not the REAL BUSINESS PEOPLE.

saoirse 09-24-04 02:33 PM


Originally posted by Jadzia
You feared for your life? Um, okay. Was that the Magic 8-Ball of Death?
Yeah, that was nuts. She didn't hold a switchblade to their throats. Sure, she was nutty, but really, who could actually fear her, or fear for their lives?

Whitewash 09-24-04 05:18 PM

On a tad more positive note....

I'm willing to bet money that Raj wins this whole thing.

DJ_Spyder 09-24-04 11:24 PM

Well Stacie J didn't last to long that comes as no suprise and she didn't do a very good job defending herself in the boardroom either. What I find really strange is that Trump told Maria to get the other team members back into the boardroom can you say ratings stunt?

Dabaomb 09-24-04 11:50 PM


Originally posted by Alyoshka
Bradford did a good job but was fired because Trump goaded him into giving up his immunity. Then Trump ran around this week pointing out to other contestants that they shouldn't make the mistake Bradford did. Come on, there was no mistake. Look, at how Trump himself created the infrastructure of his game. These people are in their mini-corporations. Bradford gave up his individual immunity to try to repair some of the divisions in his corporation. He made a selfless decision to help his company. Trump got it wrong when he turned it around to that act being something that would destroy a corporation. No Trump the act wasn't destructive it was constructive. You just plain got it wrong and there was no indication that he would act in a way that would damage his corporation. He never did yet he was fired because he was trying to help his corporation.
I agree 100% with WillieTheShakes.

I outlined why I think Bradford deserved to get fired in last week's Apprentice Thread.

Here's my post from last week. I'll just cut & paste it:


Originally posted by Dabaomb
I think that most of you are giving Bradford way too much credit. There were a few things going against him:
1) NO ONE liked him. That included his female teammates and the guys. They all thought that he was a prick. One of the qualities of a leader is that you have to be likeable enough to lead your workers and that quality he sorely lacked
2) In the first task, he really did a poor job as a leader despite the fact that he won. He was trying to be a dictator and that style doesn't always flow esp when you're a guy with 8 females.
3) In the board room he called Carolyn the wrong name. She gave him stupid faces from that point on. She clearly didn't like him after that incident.
4) He sold out his own team in the boardroom. He did what that Asian girl did last year and basically said that his teammates were all morons. He knew that he had immunity so he had the right to talk and blab and say that he was awesome and that everyone else was an idiot. Even if he did last through this week, his teammates would've hated him even more cuz he was undermining the team. In that situation, I would've kept my mouth shut cuz if he didn't say anything, he would've been fine. Instead he acted all cocky and basically gave himself a chance to lose a no lose situation.
5) He gave up his immunity. He may have been the best salesman for this task but what a moronic move that was. In business, if he's gonna lead a company, he can't take idiotic risks like that esp. when the risk/reward is zero.

True he was a good salesman, but he lacked in basically every other category.

I think that if he didn't go, Trump would've fired Ivana cuz she was a poor leader, he hates her name, and he wants to keep Stacy J around as a villain type figure. (She's more of an idiot than a villain).

Like someone else posted, Trump wanted the Project Mgr to bring in a third person so that the blame could be passed onto another person to decrease the PM's chances of getting fired (from 33% to 25%). He did this with Pamela last week as well so it wasn't focused specifically on her but all the PMs.

Ivana was obviously gonna bring in Stacy J cuz she wanted her gone. She didn't know who else to bring in so she brought in Bradford when he made his retarded move. She just brought in the third talkative girl cuz she was hoping tha she could use that girl to tag team on Stacy J. Her plan was to get Stacy J fired plain and simple.

To the poster that said that Stacy J looks like Cameron Diaz, you must be smokin' some good ish -screwy-


Dabaomb 09-24-04 11:52 PM


Originally posted by DJ_Spyder
Well Stacie J didn't last to long that comes as no suprise and she didn't do a very good job defending herself in the boardroom either. What I find really strange is that Trump told Maria to get the other team members back into the boardroom can you say ratings stunt?
Yeah, her defense was..."I'm not crazy." She said that like ten times.

Alyoshka 09-25-04 01:43 AM


Originally posted by Dabaomb
I agree 100% with WillieTheShakes.

I outlined why I think Bradford deserved to get fired in last week's Apprentice Thread.

I agreed last week. At first I thought that Bradford deserved about it. Then I thought about it logically and it just doesn't make any sense. For the two purposes of this show: to provide entertainment and to find a good candidate it doesn't make sense to get rid of Bradford. Giving the OPTION of immunity does not mean that you HAVE to take it. That wouldn't be an option. Watch the episode again, Bradford was in absolutely NO danger of being cut because he did better than more than three other people on his team. Therefore the immunity is unnecessary. Trump made the decision against both of his advisors because he wanted to generate a buzz. That is the reason why all the previews for the show acted like this would be the biggest thing to ever happen in the boardroom. Well Trump, just like you've been wrong in so many of your business decisions, you were wrong with this tv decision. Nobody cared. It didn't really create any buzz. It wasn't worth cutting Bradford at that point.

If you can give me ONE good reason that his decision in any way reflects on how he would act in business I'd be very impressed. Very, very, very impressed. You can't do. Trump couldn't even do it. He just said it was implusive. Yet on other shows Trump brags about how he is impulsive. It doesn't make any logical sense.

Fok 09-25-04 03:31 AM

I think the women are fucked, can't see them pulling too many wins unless they start using sex to sell shit.

Jadzia 09-25-04 05:05 AM

I'm actually looking forward to seeing the expanded boardroom on Saturday night, I am wondering if it will shed more light on Trump's decision.

I have noticed that the editing causes you to have more perspective on things. For instance, last week in the Thursday show they made it look like Stacie J hired that temp agency on her own, but in the Saturday show it was actually revealed that Ivana had assigned her that task!

movieking 09-25-04 05:23 AM

Isn't the Apprentice only an hour tonight? How can they expand the boardroom scenes? If they do, I am assuming that they will cut some other scenes? I can't see them doing that.

Patman 09-25-04 08:59 AM

Regardless, the promos promised 15 extra minutes of the boardroom catfighting.

Dabaomb 09-25-04 04:06 PM


Originally posted by Alyoshka
I agreed last week. At first I thought that Bradford deserved about it. Then I thought about it logically and it just doesn't make any sense. For the two purposes of this show: to provide entertainment and to find a good candidate it doesn't make sense to get rid of Bradford. Giving the OPTION of immunity does not mean that you HAVE to take it. That wouldn't be an option. Watch the episode again, Bradford was in absolutely NO danger of being cut because he did better than more than three other people on his team. Therefore the immunity is unnecessary. Trump made the decision against both of his advisors because he wanted to generate a buzz. That is the reason why all the previews for the show acted like this would be the biggest thing to ever happen in the boardroom. Well Trump, just like you've been wrong in so many of your business decisions, you were wrong with this tv decision. Nobody cared. It didn't really create any buzz. It wasn't worth cutting Bradford at that point.

If you can give me ONE good reason that his decision in any way reflects on how he would act in business I'd be very impressed. Very, very, very impressed. You can't do. Trump couldn't even do it. He just said it was implusive. Yet on other shows Trump brags about how he is impulsive. It doesn't make any logical sense.

Did you even read my post? All of my reasons posted are valid reasons why he wouldn't have been a good choice.

I went to business school and worked in the business world (I just quit on Tuesday but will be going back into business just in a different field) so I know a lil bit about business. Granted, I don't know it all but I do know the qualities of a leader. Bradford had some but he was sorely lacking in one important quality, i.e. earning the respect of those under you.


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