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Old 07-27-04 | 09:35 AM
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Michael Moore vs. Bill O'Reilly - tonight at 8

This should make for some interesting TV. Check the O'Reilly Factor on Fox News tonight at 8 pm and again at 11 pm for the possible fireworks.



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,96207,00.html
Old 07-27-04 | 09:38 AM
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Should be entertaining, if nothing else.
Old 07-27-04 | 09:39 AM
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And then the world will explode.
Old 07-27-04 | 09:42 AM
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I never watch O'Reilly, but this should be TiVo archive material.
Old 07-27-04 | 09:44 AM
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I'll check it out. Hopefully, Bill gives him a chance to talk.
Old 07-27-04 | 09:56 AM
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This will either be a very good airing of opposing points of view or an unwatchable screaming match. My money is on the latter.
Old 07-27-04 | 10:20 AM
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Oh, it's ON!
Old 07-27-04 | 10:20 AM
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This will either be a very good airing of opposing points of view or an unwatchable screaming match. My money is on the latter.

I agree - neither one is shy about expressing their views.
Old 07-27-04 | 10:58 AM
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Bill is at least one of the few Fox commentators who allows his guests to speak their minds - even if Bill doesn't agree with it. More cable news hosts should follow his example - too many others try to drown out the guests by talking loudly over top of them whenever they say something they disagree with.
Old 07-27-04 | 11:00 AM
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Can't wait for this....

Previously Moore refused to interview with O'Reilly but Moore couldn't refuse this time because they actually bumped into each other on the street at the democratic convention and O'Reilly had the camera rolling asking if he would do an interview. Moore reluctantly agreed.
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Originally posted by Shannon Nutt
Bill is at least one of the few Fox commentators who allows his guests to speak their minds - even if Bill doesn't agree with it. More cable news hosts should follow his example - too many others try to drown out the guests by talking loudly over top of them whenever they say something they disagree with.

You must be talking about some other Bill O'Reilly. His interview style is terrible. I think it makes for good entertainment, but the last thing I would say is that he allows guests to speak their mind. Of course, saying "I'll give you the last word" (but do it in 5 seconds), makes him sound more magnanimous.
Old 07-27-04 | 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by Shannon Nutt
Bill is at least one of the few Fox commentators who allows his guests to speak their minds - even if Bill doesn't agree with it. More cable news hosts should follow his example - too many others try to drown out the guests by talking loudly over top of them whenever they say something they disagree with.
Groucho, is that you?
Old 07-27-04 | 11:17 AM
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Of course, saying "I'll give you the last word" (but do it in 5 seconds), makes him sound more magnanimous.
I enjoy listening to O'Reilly on the radio, never watched his show.

But, whenever he says "I'll give you the last word," as soon as the caller is off the phone, he puts in one more word about disagreeing with them.
Old 07-27-04 | 11:19 AM
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I wonder whether they'll turn on Moore's mic.....
Old 07-27-04 | 11:19 AM
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Hasn't Moore been on O'Reilly before? I could swear that I've seen him on, maybe a year or two ago.




P.S. Why do people put "Tonight" in thread titles instead of a date?
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P.S. Why do people put "Tonight" in thread titles instead of a date?
Because they haven't read the sticky.
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Originally posted by Numanoid
Hasn't Moore been on O'Reilly before? I could swear that I've seen him on, maybe a year or two ago.




P.S. Why do people put "Tonight" in thread titles instead of a date?


Yes, he was on before, and it was pretty civil.
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odd post, considering the reason I stopped watching that windbag was because he'd always cut the guests off as soon as they started to make a good point and interrupted them so much that they were never able to sound coherant

Originally posted by Shannon Nutt
Bill is at least one of the few Fox commentators who allows his guests to speak their minds - even if Bill doesn't agree with it. More cable news hosts should follow his example - too many others try to drown out the guests by talking loudly over top of them whenever they say something they disagree with.
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I haven't watch O'reilly in quite a while, but i definately dont want to miss this one. Should be good. Thanks for the heads up!
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Originally posted by Shannon Nutt
Bill is at least one of the few Fox commentators who allows his guests to speak their minds - even if Bill doesn't agree with it. More cable news hosts should follow his example - too many others try to drown out the guests by talking loudly over top of them whenever they say something they disagree with.


now that's rich!!!!!!!!!! Here's an oldie but a goody.....

http://www.bushpresident2004.com/oreilly-transcript.htm
Transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor" featuring Bill O'Reilly and Jeremy Glick

Glick, whose father was killed in the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001, reported that after the interview O'Reilly said to him, "Get out of my studio before I tear you to ****ing pieces."

Begin transcript:

Bill O'Reilly: In the "Personal Stories" segment tonight, we were surprised to find out than an American who lost his father in the World Trade Center attack had signed an anti-war advertisement that accused the USA itself of terrorism.

The offending passage read, "We too watched with shock the horrific events of September 11... we too mourned the thousands of innocent dead and shook our heads at the terrible scenes of carnage -- even as we recalled similar scenes in Baghdad, Panama City, and a generation ago, Vietnam."

With us now is Jeremy Glick, whose father, Barry, was a Port Authority worker at the Trade Center. Mr. Glick is a co-author of the book "Another World is Possible."

I'm surprised you signed this. You were the only one of all of the families who signed...

Jeremy Glick: Well, actually, that's not true.

O'Reilly: Who signed the advertisement?

Glick: Peaceful Tomorrow, which represents 9/11 families, were also involved.

O'Reilly: Hold it, hold it, hold it, Jeremy. You're the only one who signed this advertisement.

Glick: As an individual.

O'Reilly: Yes, as -- with your name. You were the only one. I was surprised, and the reason I was surprised is that this ad equates the United States with the terrorists. And I was offended by that.

Glick: Well, you say -- I remember earlier you said it was a moral equivalency, and it's actually a material equivalency. And just to back up for a second about your surprise, I'm actually shocked that you're surprised. If you think about it, our current president, who I feel and many feel is in this position illegitimately by neglecting the voices of Afro-Americans in the Florida coup, which, actually, somebody got impeached for during the Reconstruction period -- Our current president now inherited a legacy from his father and inherited a political legacy that's responsible for training militarily, economically, and situating geopolitically the parties involved in the alleged assassination and the murder of my father and countless of thousands of others. So I don't see why it's surprising...

O'Reilly: All right. Now let me stop you here. So...

Glick: ... for you to think that I would come back and want to support...

O'Reilly: It is surprising, and I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why it's surprising.

Glick: ... escalating...

O'Reilly: You are mouthing a far left position that is a marginal position in this society, which you're entitled to.

Glick: It's marginal -- right.

O'Reilly: You're entitled to it, all right, but you're -- you see, even -- I'm sure your beliefs are sincere, but what upsets me is I don't think your father would be approving of this.

Glick: Well, actually, my father thought that Bush's presidency was illegitimate.

O'Reilly: Maybe he did, but...

Glick: I also didn't think that Bush...

O'Reilly: ... I don't think he'd be equating this country as a terrorist nation as you are.

Glick: Well, I wasn't saying that it was necessarily like that.

O'Reilly: Yes, you are. You signed...

Glick: What I'm saying is...

O'Reilly: ... this, and that absolutely said that.

Glick: ... is that in -- six months before the Soviet invasion in Afghanistan, starting in the Carter administration and continuing and escalating while Bush's father was head of the CIA, we recruited a hundred thousand radical mujahadeens to combat a democratic government in Afghanistan, the Turaki government.

O'Reilly: All right. I don't want to...

Glick: Maybe...

O'Reilly: I don't want to debate world politics with you.

Glick: Well, why not? This is about world politics.

O'Reilly: Because, No. 1, I don't really care what you think.

Glick: Well, OK.

O'Reilly: You're -- I want to...

Glick: But you do care because you...

O'Reilly: No, no. Look...

Glick: The reason why you care is because you evoke 9/11...

O'Reilly: Here's why I care.

Glick: ... to rationalize...

O'Reilly: Here's why I care...

Glick: Let me finish. You evoke 9/11 to rationalize everything from domestic plunder to imperialistic aggression worldwide.

O'Reilly: OK. That's a bunch...

Glick: You evoke sympathy with the 9/11 families.

O'Reilly: That's a bunch of crap. I've done more for the 9/11 families by their own admission -- I've done more for them than you will ever hope to do.

Glick: OK.

O'Reilly: So you keep your mouth shut when you sit here exploiting those people.

Glick: Well, you're not representing me. You're not representing me.

O'Reilly: And I'd never represent you. You know why?

Glick: Why?

O'Reilly: Because you have a warped view of this world and a warped view of this country.

Glick: Well, explain that. Let me give you an example of a parallel...

O'Reilly: No, I'm not going to debate this with you, all right.

Glick: Well, let me give you an example of parallel experience. On September 14...

O'Reilly: No, no. Here's -- here's the...

Glick: On September 14...

O'Reilly: Here's the record.

Glick: OK.

O'Reilly: All right. You didn't support the action against Afghanistan to remove the Taliban. You were against it, OK.

Glick: Why would I want to brutalize and further punish the people in Afghanistan...

O'Reilly: Who killed your father!

Glick: The people in Afghanistan...

O'Reilly: Who killed your father.

Glick: ... didn't kill my father.

O'Reilly: Sure they did. The al Qaeda people were trained there.

Glick: The al Qaeda people? What about the Afghan people?

O'Reilly: See, I'm more angry about it than you are!

Glick: So what about George Bush?

O'Reilly: What about George Bush? He had nothing to do with it.

Glick: The director -- senior as director of the CIA.

O'Reilly: He had nothing to do with it.

Glick: So the people that trained a hundred thousand Mujahadeen who were...

O'Reilly: Man, I hope your mom isn't watching this.

Glick: Well, I hope she is.

O'Reilly: I hope your mother is not watching this because you -- that's it. I'm not going to say anymore.

Glick: OK.

O'Reilly: In respect for your father...

Glick: On September 14, do you want to know what I'm doing?

O'Reilly: Shut up. Shut up.

Glick: Oh, please don't tell me to shut up.

O'Reilly: As respect -- as respect -- in respect for your father, who was a Port Authority worker, a fine American, who got killed unnecessarily by barbarians...

Glick: By radical extremists who were trained by this government...

O'Reilly: Out of respect for him...

Glick: ... not the people of America.

O'Reilly: ... I'm not going to...

Glick: ... The people of the ruling class, the small minority.

O'Reilly: Cut his mic. I'm not going to dress you down anymore, out of respect for your father.

We will be back in a moment with more of THE FACTOR.

Glick: That means we're done?

O'Reilly: We're done.

End transcript
Old 07-27-04 | 01:26 PM
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odd post, considering the reason I stopped watching that windbag was because he'd always cut the guests off as soon as they started to make a good point and interrupted them so much that they were never able to sound coherant
I have only listened to him live on the radio, but the television show is notoriously edited and tweaked with so much that O'Reilly himself will never come across as "wrong" or "the bad guy". I'm surprised Moore has consented to be on it knowing full well that he's going to be made an ass of regardless of how well he presents himself or how strong or valid his arguments are.
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and just one more to illustrate difinitively the folly of Shannon Nutt's claim.....

http://slate.msn.com/id/2087706/

Bill O'Reilly Wants You To Shut Up
Also, Al Franken, Tom Daschle, Jimmy Carter, Rosie O'Donnell, gay people who talk about their sexual orientation, atheist Scouts, peaceniks, both parties …
By Jack Shafer
Posted Thursday, Aug. 28, 2003, at 3:54 PM PT

Shut up!

"Shut up!"
Fox News channel talk show host Bill O'Reilly says "shut up" the way other people say "um."

On his daily show, The O'Reilly Factor, he uses it as a place-holder for an idea still formulating in his brain. As a way to begin a sentence, end it, or punctuate it. Sometimes he says "shut up" with fury, eyes bulging. When he's being dismissive, he delivers it offhandedly and without real malice. Other times he says it gently, with a minxlike twinkle in his eye, signaling to all the world that he's just being frisky.

O'Reilly wants specific individuals to shut up, and he names them. He would like all gays and lesbians to zip it—even though he's invited them on his show to talk about … homosexuality. He's even heaved this impolite language at entire nations, demanding they recuse themselves from the international conversation.

In the half-decade his top-rated show has been on the air, he's called for the muzzling of practically everybody. At the rate O'Reilly is going, he'll be the only person allowed to speak in a couple of years. Which, I suppose, is his master plan. Here are excerpts from his show:

Two-for-One Bank Shot
"Already the two parties are blaming each other [about the power blackout]. And I have two words for them—shut up."
—Aug. 15, 2003

On Location at the Los Angeles Book Fair
[To Al Franken]: "Hey, shut up! You had your 35 minutes! Shut up!"
—June 1, 2003

Where O'Reilly Learned To Say "Shut Up"
"My father didn't tell me anything. My father just said: 'Shut up. Eat your food. There are people starving in Korea,' but he didn't—he didn't offer a lot of career counseling, but he never discouraged me."
—Sept. 17, 1999

No-First-Amendment Zone
"All of these spin-meisters on both sides should just shut up until all the [Florida] votes are counted."
—Nov. 9, 2000

That Means You, Sid Blumenthal
"There is no victory for any American in the impeachment trial. The president should be ashamed of himself, and his partisans should shut up."
—Feb. 4, 1999

Hollywood Sissy
"He has dodged this program, Alec Baldwin has, for years. Bottom line: If you're going to sling it, Alec, then stand up to some fire. If not, shut up and don't be ridiculous."
—Jan. 2, 1999

Bill's Amen Corner
"Anyway, Kelsey Grammar and Robert Duvall were at this dinner, and [they] both said, hey, Dixie Chicks and all—these people should just shut up."
—April 28, 2003

Military Immunity
"I would never tell a general to shut up under any circumstances."
—April 3, 2003

Shut Up for Freedom
"And it is our duty as loyal Americans to shut up once the fighting begins, unless—unless facts prove the operation wrong, as was the case in Vietnam."
—Feb. 27, 2003

To Our Brothers and Sisters in the Great White North
"Canada shouldn't have any say [about the Guantanamo prisoners] at all. I mean, just shut up about it."
—April 16, 2003

To an Anti-War Protester Whose Father Died on 9/11
O'Reilly: "Shut up. Shut up."
Jeremy Glick: "Oh, please don't tell me to shut up."
O'Reilly: "As respect—as respect—in respect for your father, who was a Port Authority worker, a fine American, who got killed unnecessarily by barbarians—"
Glick: "By radical extremists who were trained by this government—"
O'Reilly: "Out of respect for him—"
Glick: "—not the people of America."
O'Reilly: "—I'm not going to—"
Glick: "—the people of the ruling class, the small minority."
O'Reilly: "Cut his mic. I'm not going to dress you down anymore, out of respect for your father. We will be back in a moment with more of The Factor."
Glick: "That means we're done?"
O'Reilly: "We're done."
—Feb. 4, 2003

Presidential Gag Order
"What Jimmy Carter should do is privately give Mr. Bush his opinion and shut up publicly."
—Feb. 18, 2003

Diplomatic Gag Order
"But if the Bush administration wants to attack al-Qaida in Yemen, the Swedes should shut up, because basically it's our people who are dead, they killed our people, and we have to run them down."
—Nov. 20, 2002

He Even Talks Like This to Colleagues
"I'm going to give you a plug, so shut up for a minute, Dick [Morris]. Here we go. You've got the State of the Union address coming up."
—Jan. 27, 2000

Don't Tell Me To Shut Up!
"You're going to say, 'Shut up, O'Reilly! You—you're a sadist with your guests all the time!' "
—Nov. 21, 2002

Special Guest Invective by Sitcom Star ALF
ALF [to O'Reilly]: "They've got a talking Bill O'Reilly doll. It's only $19.95, but it's $50 worth of batteries. The thing doesn't shut up."
—June 25, 2002

Enough To Make O'Reilly Shut Up
"If Congress would pass that [air safety] bill, then I would shut up for a little while."
—Nov. 13, 2001

And He Wonders Why Daschle Won't Appear
"Believe me when I tell you The Factor goes out of its way to get Democrats on this broadcast. But Daschle has been and remains too frightened to appear. So with all due respect, senator, shut up."
—May 17, 2002

O'Reilly Delegates Authority to Sen. Evan Bayh
"If you see [Sen. Tom Daschle] for me, senator, tell him to shut up. For me. You can be nice."
—March 17, 2003

Scout's Honor
[To an atheist Eagle Scout, Darrell Lambert]: "I want to quote this—'On my honor, I will do my best to do my duty to God and to my country and obey Scout law,' on and on and on and on. I mean, God's in the first 10 words. So why did you have to tell them you were an atheist if you didn't have any trouble reading the oath? Why didn't you just shut up?"
—Oct. 30, 2002

Welcome to My Show To Talk About Sex. Now, Please Put a Cork in It.
"My thesis, you may know, is that nobody should ever talk about their sexuality in any—in any regard ever. You should not define yourself that way. It just makes life a lot rougher. So, therefore, I would probably say, if you're a gay celebrity, shut up."
—March 21, 2001

"I am in favor of having equal treatment for everyone. But I'm also in favor of having everybody in the military shut up about their sexuality. All right. Not discuss it, it's not germane. It's irrelevant."
—Dec. 20, 2000

"You can do whatever you want. Just shut up about it. Little kids don't need to know whether you're homosexual, heterosexual, a cross-dresser, whatever. Don't discuss it. That's reasonable."
—Sept. 28, 2000

"I don't want the Scout master to tell my boys if he's gay, if he's straight, if he's a bigamist, if he's anything. I don't think that has any place in Scouting, so therefore I don't think the Scouts are wrong in saying shut up. We just don't want to hear about this."
—Aug. 29, 2000

"Why didn't you just—why—why didn't you just not say anything? This—I never can get this for you guys, and I—and I don't mean to be arrogant or anything like—I just don't get it. Just shut up about it. Who cares what you do? That's what the Air Force is asking you to do. Shut up."
—June 8, 2000

"If I were Rosie O'Donnell and I didn't want to get married, I'd shut up. The same thing with Madonna. Have the kids if you—you know, obviously, they have money. They can support the kids. But I'd shut up."
—Dec. 14, 1999

"I'm asking you to shut up about sex."
—Sept. 23, 2002

O'Reilly: "I don't go running around telling everybody about my sex life, and I don't think you do either, do you?"
Hugh Downs: "No, you don't have to—"
O'Reilly: "So just shut up about it."
—July 2, 2001

Shut Up, Pinhead!
To Mike McGough of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette editorial page, who accuses O'Reilly of exploiting a murder victim's sister who appeared on O'Reilly's show:

"Hey, Mike, shut up. I resent the fact that you said that we exploited this woman. We gave this woman a voice. That's something that you and your stupid newspaper would never do, you pinhead. You would never do that. "
—Nov. 13, 2002

A Viewer Protests the Treatment of McGough
"Paula Evans, Winston-Salem, N.C. [writes]: 'Bill, if you are so concerned about public figures being bad role models for children, please stop interrupting your guests and telling them to shut up!' "

"Well, the 'shut up' line has happened only once in six years, Ms. Evans, and that's because the editor from Pittsburgh was filibustering, after accusing me of exploiting the families of the murder victims. The no-spin zone is a tough place, and lies and unreasonable discourse will be stopped in their tracks."
—Nov. 15, 2002
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oh, and here's a funny montage of O'reilly's many "Shut up"s...

http://cdn.moveon.org/data/ShutUp_Final_BbandLo.mov
Old 07-27-04 | 01:36 PM
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I hardly ever watch O'Reilly, but I'll be sure to tune in tonight!


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