Wouldn't they have to go foreward in time to see Kirk? I thought Enterprise was many many years before the original Star Trek. They can't go back in time to help someone if that person hasn't even been born yet correct?

Well if these mystery aliens somehow prevented Edith Keeler from getting flattened by that bus (maybe they run interference on Kirk before he runs into McCoy), then Kirk would seemingly never have left the 1930s and would still be there - of course WWII could still have taken place but at a different time (where the Nazis won) time in the 20th century (if that is where Archer now is).


edit: and accounting for William Shatner's current age (if Kirk was mid-30s in Edith's mid-1930s, then this would mean Archer arrived in the 1960s - maybe they can also run into Gary Seven )

That makes sense. That's how they could get the old William Shatner on the show as Kirk. I wonder if he will be the pitchman for naziline.com.

I don't think we're seeing Earth under complete Nazi control, for one thing the P51s still had US markings

Well hope they don't drag this storyline on for too long. The whole Xindi thing was very anticlimatic.....again the problem with dragging things on for too long.

I don't get why people think that this is some sort of "alternate" earth where the Nazis have control.

The fighter jets that shot at the shuttle pod in San Diego were clearly US ships. Then it fades to black and shows Archer in a Nazi tent somewhere else (probably Germany).

This could be Earth's actual past (In the show), maybe the Aliens were always working with the Nazis but no one ever knew it.

eh. seems kinda lame to add a cliff hanger of a completely different story line.


Why didn't enterprise detect that there were no space stations, not just that they weren't responding? also, wouldnt their scans of the planet have picked up the wrong time or atleast technology? The first thing i thought when they didnt get a response from starfleet was that they were in the wrong time.

You guys are overthinking this. Braga's likely been canned (he 's stepping back because he "doesn't think he can top what he accomplished" this year ) and this was simply him slipping the show a poison pill. They're painted into a corner now.

It was the last spiteful act of destruction by a once-talented screenwriter toward a franchise which has made him rich, powerful, landed him a world class girlfriend, but which I don't think he ever actually understood.

Like Bill Hicks used to say about Basic Instinct: quit thinking so hard. It's just a piece of shit.

once talented?
when was that?

He wrote some good scripts for TNG and his work w/ Moore was generally good (Moore can write w/o Braga much better than vice versa).

He ran out of new ideas long ago and has been faking it ever since.

now I have to dig out the ST encyclopedia to see what he wrote

edit: ok, I'll admit there are some good episodes with his name on them, but in the majority of them there are 3 or 4 other people listed for teleplay and story besides him. Cause and Effect just has him, and I did like it, but it's only about 10 minutes of material if that since it repeates at least 3 if not 4 times

Looking over the list, he wrote a lot of TNG eps that I like and even some earlier Voyager ones, but his elevation to Co-Exec Producer of that show before Season 5 was an unmitigated disaster and Enterprise is (for the most part) a thumb in the eye to the whole franchise.

He's been aping Phillip K. Dick (badly) for years.

The line about SF looking the same caught my attention too. I'm sure if you looked at aireal photos from the 40s and today (much less what it would be years from now) there would be distinct differences.

I'm glad I'm not the only one.

I could have sworn he said "land over there behind headquarters" or something to that effect. I mean there was at least one skyscaper built since 1940's, right? I did have some notion that something was out of the oridinary (even time travel), but when no one commented that the stars were not in the proper place, no one mentioned earth looked different, etc., it was quite a bombshell to see that none of those lacking clues mattered.

they were still at a fairly high altitude when they said it looked ok, probably just meant that it hadn't been bombed or anything.
Tripp said to land at the pad behind the HQ but said it in a way that sounded like he was refering to it from memory and not that he had seen it from the shuttlepod on that trip

My memory is bad, but I thought there was a city skyline in view.

I think it's a totally different earth, not a different time. I think who or whatever puller Archer there also made sure his ship got there also to find him. Maybe it was all that 'Futureman' could do since Archer never paid his warnings to stay safe to heart.

Well, if they stay true to form, then it's probably an alternate reality. In the reality we watch, Archer is dead. Then our crew will take the Archer from the alternate reality to replace their dead captain. Just a guess, but this was already done on Voyager (with Harry and the baby). They could take the summer to think up a good story without stealing from a different Trek series, but then it just wouldn't be Enterprise.

Plus, if they're sticking with the First Contact continuity, there had been a nuclear war. I kind of doubt a city as big as SF would escape undamaged.